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They are a commercial product. I think SKS. Saw a mention from Merry sales, a distributer. Tom

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This is an interesting set-up that side-steps the problem of lack of
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Is this "home-made" or is it available in stores/online?

JT

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SKS 'Raceblades', silver now and black by end of month-$45...

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I'm thinking of putting a similar set-up on my next audax frame.

But rather than mounting the front fender on the fork, I want to put a pair of waterbottle braze-ons
on the downtube at the closest point (tangent point) to the wheel, and mount the fender to these
bolt locations. It'll probably need an additional strengthening backbone to stop the fender
twisting, but that's for experimentation.

The advantage of using the bottle mount spacing is that a mini-pump mount, or cateye battery packs,
or similar will fit there in addition to the fender. With the mount bolts across the tangent point,
the fender will remain a constant distance from the wheel over its whole length.

The other advantage to mounting the front fender on the frame is that there is no problem with toe
clearance, and a tight clearance fork can be used as Igor is doing.

The disadvantage is that the fender doesn't follow the wheel. Personally I think that doesn't
matter, as the times when the front wheel comes out of line with the frame enough to miss the fender
are the same as those when the bike is almost stationary. Also, having the fender somewhat further
away from the tyre may allow more spray to escape.

Has anyone tried this before?

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JT

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This is an interesting set-up that side-steps the problem of lack of clearance on a racing bike:

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Is this "home-made" or is it available in stores/online?

That's an SKS "Race Blade" We've got 'em, $49.95/pair. Not yet on the Website though...

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I'm thinking of putting a similar set-up on my next audax frame.

But rather than mounting the front fender on the fork, I want to put a pair of waterbottle braze-
ons on the downtube at the closest point (tangent point) to the wheel, and mount the fender to
these bolt locations. It'll probably need an additional strengthening backbone to stop the fender
twisting, but that's for experimentation.

The advantage of using the bottle mount spacing is that a mini-pump mount, or cateye battery
packs, or similar will fit there in addition to the fender. With the mount bolts across the
tangent point, the fender will remain a constant distance from the wheel over its whole length.

The other advantage to mounting the front fender on the frame is that there is no problem with toe
clearance, and a tight clearance fork can be used as Igor is doing.

The disadvantage is that the fender doesn't follow the wheel. Personally I think that doesn't
matter, as the times when the front wheel comes out of line with the frame enough to miss the
fender are the same as those when the bike is almost stationary. Also, having the fender somewhat
further away from the tyre may allow more spray to escape.

I think it could do a good job of protecting your drive train and your legs, but, at speed, dirty
water from the road will still be thrown up in front of your bike and blown back into your face and
upper body. You'll really miss having the section of the fender in front of the fork <grin>.

Mark <cs.unca.edubicycling.htmlOpen ↗

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One of the guys in our group has them, here's a link to another picture that shows them pretty well:

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I think they're very much a compromise in terms of protection, based on how they seemed to work on
one wet ride. I think front fenders have to go much lower in front to keep your feet dry.

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SKS 'Raceblades', silver now and black by end of month-$45...

Is this front and rear? If so, what does the rear look like. $45 sure seems like a lot of money for
the same sort of thing we have been kludging together for years out of (now) $25 fenders. In fact,
the design in the picture allows for much more water to pass between the fender and crown than my
current homebrew set-up, which is quite elegant if I say so myself. -- Jay Beattie.

Phillip Stevens said:

I'm thinking of putting a similar set-up on my next audax frame.

But rather than mounting the front fender on the fork, I want to put a pair of waterbottle braze-
ons on the downtube at the closest point (tangent point) to the wheel, and mount the fender to
these bolt locations. I

Have you looked at the Headland Mudslide or SKS MudMax? They mount in that location. I don't think
they'll provide the coverage you want, but you might learn something...

Dave dvt at psu dot edu

I've got the SKS Race Blades on my bike, very pleased with how easily they went on and how secure
they are. Should be a "product of the year" nominee.

Todd H.

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That's an SKS "Race Blade" We've got 'em, $49.95/pair. Not yet on the Website though...

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Phillip Stevens said:

I'm thinking of putting a similar set-up on my next audax frame.

But rather than mounting the front fender on the fork, I want to put a

pair

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of waterbottle braze-ons on the downtube at the closest point (tangent point) to the wheel, and
mount the fender to these bolt locations. It'll probably need an additional strengthening
backbone to stop the fender twisting, but that's for experimentation.

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I think it could do a good job of protecting your drive train and your legs, but, at speed, dirty
water from the road will still be thrown up in front of your bike and blown back into your face
and upper body. You'll really miss having the section of the fender in front of the fork <grin>.

Mark <http://www.cs.unca.edu/~boyd/bicycling.html>

My key concern is to keep my feet dry(er). I've not had too much problem from water thrown off at
the top of the wheel, as it tends to go forward. If the wind catches the spray the wrong way or at
speed it does come back as you say, but by then my feet are literally swimming in water.

I used a standard fender SKS on a touring frame previously, but it didn't go low enough to protect
my feet. They still got completely wet from spray water. My thought was that putting the standard
length fender entirely behind the fork would make it reach much lower to the ground and possibly
prevent the foot wetting spray.

The problem with having the fender too low is that going over kerbs or even sharp bumps may ground
the fender, and break it. I think a little sideways flexibility or using a flap at the bottom would
be needed to prevent this.

Does anyone know how low/tight a front fender needs to be to keep one's feet dry(er)?

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

This is an interesting set-up that side-steps the problem of lack of clearance on a racing bike:

cyclingnews.comfeatures.phpOpen ↗

Is this "home-made" or is it available in stores/online?

Yes, SKS Race Blade muguards. We have those, as do most road shops now. They even fit where they
can't fit!

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I fitted SKS raceblades back in Oct 2003, here's what I think about them:

Positive: Easy to fit No clearance worries Durable Easily removable

Negative: Front does not fit well if fork is 'aero' shaped to rear. I had to use zip ties (supplied)
to attach it well enough so that it did not move. Rear guard does not come down far enough to the
rear if riding in a pack. My training group complained so much that I made a mudflap which solved
the problem.

Before the Raceblades I was using Salmon guards...I prefer the SKS's.

For pictures of the Raceblades fitted to my Winter training bike go to:
msa.cyclist.btinternet.co.ukmy fondriest.htmOpen ↗

For pictures of the Salmon's attached to same bike take a look at:
msa.fotopic.netshow collection.phpOpen ↗

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

SKS 'Raceblades', silver now and black by end of month-$45...

You're cheap. $49.95 here.

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Does anyone know how low/tight a front fender needs to be to keep one's

feet

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dry(er)?

- use a set of regular fenders
- build several inches of extension from either a combination of plastic detergent bottle and duct
tape, or duct tape alone.

This allows flexibility in the extension, but keeps your feet dry! Been doing this for 10+ years
with success, usually lasts at least one season before tape replacement.

-pete

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Phillip Stevens said:

I'm thinking of putting a similar set-up on my next audax frame.

But rather than mounting the front fender on the fork, I want to put a

pair

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of waterbottle braze-ons on the downtube at the closest point (tangent point) to the wheel,
and mount the fender to these bolt locations.

It'll

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probably need an additional strengthening backbone to stop the fender twisting, but that's for
experimentation.

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I think it could do a good job of protecting your drive train and your legs, but, at speed,
dirty water from the road will still be thrown up

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front of your bike and blown back into your face and upper body. You'll really miss having the
section of the fender in front of the fork

<grin>.

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Mark <http://www.cs.unca.edu/~boyd/bicycling.html>

My key concern is to keep my feet dry(er). I've not had too much problem from water thrown off at
the top of the wheel, as it tends to go forward.

If

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the wind catches the spray the wrong way or at speed it does come back as you say, but by then my
feet are literally swimming in water.

I used a standard fender SKS on a touring frame previously, but it didn't

go

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low enough to protect my feet. They still got completely wet from spray water. My thought was that
putting the standard length fender entirely behind the fork would make it reach much lower to the
ground and possibly prevent the foot wetting spray.

The problem with having the fender too low is that going over kerbs or

even

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sharp bumps may ground the fender, and break it. I think a little sideways flexibility or using a
flap at the bottom would be needed to prevent this.

Does anyone know how low/tight a front fender needs to be to keep one's

feet

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dry(er)?

Jay Beattie said:

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SKS 'Raceblades', silver now and black by end of month-$45...

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Is this front and rear? If so, what does the rear look like.

wallbike.comraceblade.htmlOpen ↗ has some good pictures.

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$45 sure seems like a lot of money for the same sort of thing we have been kludging together for
years out of (now) $25 fenders.

Well, if every racer in the US bought one, the price might come down, uh, ... a buck? Never mind.
I'm not that offended by the price.

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In fact, the design in the picture allows for much more water to pass between the fender and crown
than my current homebrew set-up, which is quite elegant if I say so myself. -- Jay Beattie.

I expect a commercial product needs compromises that allow it to fit many if not all bikes, while a
kludged/customized fit can be closer. It's like mudflaps - why do we all have to extend our front
fenders with Gatorade bottle sections? Possibly cheapness on SKS's part, but also probably because
the "customized" mudflap fits better.

MSA said:

I fitted SKS raceblades back in Oct 2003...

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Rear guard does not come down far enough to the rear if riding in a pack. My training group
complained so much that I made a mudflap which solved the problem.

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For pictures of the Raceblades fitted to my Winter training bike go to:
msa.cyclist.btinternet.co.ukmy fondriest.htmOpen ↗

Does that mudflap really help the people behind you stay dry? I have ridden in packs with folks with
regular fenders, and it seems that the rear fender would have to extend much lower than your flap in
order to keep the next rider dry. Maybe the flap just helps with the spray in the face?

Dave dvt at psu dot edu

(Qui si parla Campagnolo) said:

JFT-<< This is an interesting set-up that side-steps the problem of lack of clearance on a
racing bike:

cyclingnews.comfeatures.phpOpen ↗ ssetup >><BR><BR>

I have them and they work well. you need a mud flap to keep your feet dry. over about 20mph some
water that comes off the front wheel blows back. got to watch turning the wheel with one foot up as
your toes can hit them and catch under them.

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The problem with having the fender too low is that going over kerbs or even sharp bumps may ground
the fender, and break it. I think a little sideways flexibility or using a flap at the bottom
would be needed to prevent this.

Does anyone know how low/tight a front fender needs to be to keep one's feet dry(er)?

Check out Alex Wetmore's superb site:

phred.orgfendermudflap.htmlOpen ↗

I took his suggestion of using stair treads, a flexible rubber material commonly available at
hardware supply stores. I've got them attached to SKS full fenders. The result looks professional,
and is quite effective.

Nicholas Grieco