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  1. The problem I have is I can't walk a block without my hips
    locking and pain taking me to the ground. Swimming for some
    reaon I can do with out the pain. I have si problems going
    on. Thanks though I will remember when I get back to some
    klind of normal.

    "Terry Morse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tmorse-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Patricia1966wa said:

    my specialist the other day told me to start swimming
    again... It will keep the muscles in my legs from
    becoming mush.

    If that's your goal, and you can walk, walking is much
    better for leg muscle development than swimming. As is
    cycling.
    --
    terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.com

  2. Patricia1966wa said:

    The problem I have is I can't walk a block without my
    hips locking and pain taking me to the ground. Swimming
    for some reaon I can do with out the pain. I have si
    problems going on. Thanks though I will remember when I
    get back to some klind of normal.

    Sorry to read about your hip problems. I hope you
    recover quickly.

    Cycling might still be a possibility, your therapist should
    be able to advise you. After my hip surgery, I was able to
    pedal on a trainer weeks before I could walk. When I got up
    the courage to ride on the road again, I carried a folding
    cane with me in my jersey pocket.
    --
    terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.com

  3. Tom Keats said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Thad O said:

    *** Can people recommend books/web sites/anything else
    that will help me design an exercise plan that meets the
    above criteria, plus a few other things below. ***

    The things I expect such a plan to do is to enable me to
    build up suppleness/flexibility, strength and endurance.

    I just spent today shoveling & wheelbarrowing busted
    concrete and landscaping gravel. And I feel good! Although
    a little stiff just south of the tuchas.

    Quoted message said:

    It should allow me to miss a few days.

    Temp labour consignment work. You can elect to go, or
    forego. Plus some other contract stuff, and some itinerant
    farm/ranch work.

    Quoted message said:

    but when you get older, there are these things called
    jobs...)

    Time and health are more important than income-sources. One
    can make money any time one wants, but your time is here &
    gone. And health is more functionally dependent on the time
    rather than the money you put into it. You can spend money
    putting time into health & fitness, or you can make money
    by putting time into it. But I guess that would be too
    stupid. Or at least, too hard.

    But, Jesus Murphy -- developing one's strength to
    comfortably ride in the drops without becoming sway-backed
    ain't rocket surgery!

    This world is replete with fat-walleted, lily-handed wusses
    who'd rather pay the money than do the work.


    Yup, we shoulda stayed in school!

    Quoted message said:


    Strong cycling is pretty much all in the quads anyways.


    Where are the quads again? I thought strong cycling was in
    the thighs... I love mine. Consider them my "pumps of
    life".(along with functional lungs) Bernie

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, bmcilvan@mouse-
    potato.com says...

    ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Strong cycling is pretty much all in the quads anyways.


    Where are the quads again? I thought strong cycling was in
    the thighs... I love mine. Consider them my "pumps of
    life".(along with functional lungs) Bernie

    Quads = quadriceps = the muscles on the front of your
    thigh. So you and he are saying the same thing, just with
    different words.

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in
    the newsgroups if possible).

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bernie said:
    Quoted message said:

    This world is replete with fat-walleted, lily-handed
    wusses who'd rather pay the money than do the work.


    Yup, we shoulda stayed in school!

    Yesterday I worked really hard, unloading (by hand-bombing)
    trailers. 10-Kg'ers of shredded coconut, and then 25-Kg'ers
    of peanuts. All arm and back muscle work, stacking them on
    pallets for the forklift guys to take 'em away. At the end
    of the shift, I didn't have any pizazz left in my gams for
    the ride home; I certainly didn't have any sprint in me. But
    even at a mere avg speed of 15 km/h up the hump from
    Broadway & Commercial to Main & 39th, it was a pleasanter
    ride home than on a crowded rush hour bus. As I wearily spun
    in my 30/38 up 23rd toward Fraser Street, some weisenheimer
    who was washing his car on the curbside mockingly remarked
    as I passed: "Watch yer speed." I was too tired and hungry
    to say anything back. But I now know where he lives.

    As for school ... life /is/ school. Seeing eyes and hearing
    ears /are/ school. There's just no accreditation for it.
    OTOH, I've seen plenty of ppl with accreditation but nothing
    to back it up with. A lot of obsolete and expensive
    Micro$oft courses immediately spring to mind. Throwing bad
    money after good is school, too.

    But anyhow, it's notable how upper-body workouts or lower-
    body workouts both have an overall draining effect on the
    whole body.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Strong cycling is pretty much all in the quads anyways.


    Where are the quads again?

    The (fronts of the) thighs. The 'pistons'. All the leg stuff
    below the knees is just con-rods :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I thought strong cycling was in the thighs...

    It is, mostly. That's where the quads are.

    Quoted message said:

    I love mine. Consider them my "pumps of life".(along with
    functional lungs)

    Sagittarians are reputed to be especially vulnerable to
    thigh maladies. I forget which sign governs the lungs. Maybe
    an air sign, like Aquarius or Libra.

    O2-carrying haemoglobin is good, too. And malty food
    products seem to be conducive to that. Especially brown ale.

    cheers, Tom

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  6. Hi,
    well I would like to weigh in on the questions which you posed. A
    little background about myself: I'm 47 yrs. old and have been
    exercising for 11 yrs.
    I have bursitis in both knees (beginning when I was 30) and arthritis
    in my knees and akles. It got to the point where I couldn't even take
    a short walk down the length of a mall. My doctor said not to run
    anymore and keep walking to a minimum. God that [censored] me off.
    What's with this defeatist attitude. Well I took my med's, massaged my
    knees daily till the pain went away. Then I got to work and started
    to strengthen the muscles around my knees and ankles. I can't run 5
    miles like I used to but I can now run for 20 minutes with no pain. I
    exercise regularly and I use a system which may help you by addressing
    the issues you seek. I've got friends who are middle aged and over
    who still run marathons 10K and up, and bycicle regularly for a
    century.
    Go get yourself some barbells and those rubber bands as well as those
    poles that extend across door ways. go to the library, check out any
    exercise books that show which muscles each exercise works and sit
    down and write a list of exercises which form a complete full-body
    workout system. Or you can visit www.fitrack.net and for 10$ get the
    same thing in a small compact and easy to use exercise tracking
    system. I use it and it works great for me and my wife.
    Good luck friend.
    Payne
    Thad O <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    A while ago I asking for help in designing in an exercise
    program. The responses ranged from awful to OK with
    nothing really great. Some of the responses raised more
    questions. So I thought I would repost my question.
    Clarifying it, and expanding on it.

    I've also added misc.fitness.misc. After looking at the
    answers to the questions, I realized that while the
    diabetes and bicycling were a good place to ask my
    question, alone they were not able to provide an overall
    perspective which I believe this group can provide.

    But before I go on, there were a few answers which were...
    well stupid. I'm tired of the people who post things which
    are wrong ( in this case some were plain dangerous ). I
    guess some guys have to make up for other... shortcomings,
    by pulling a Cliff Claven act. So, before I get to my
    question I am going to call those people on their
    stupidity. For those who want to skip ahead, I will be
    marking the end of this part by <===========>.

    Of the stupid claims, probably the most stupid claim is
    that climbing stairs is the same exercise as using a
    stairmaster. Aside from the fact that stairclimbing alone
    is not going to promote *all around* fitness ( thus not
    answering my question, just some garbage someone spews to
    show how *smart* they are ), stairs are not the same as a
    ( high quality ) stairmaster. Any orthopedist will tell
    you that stairs produce much more wear and tear on the
    knees. Given that bicycling can also create lots of wear
    and tear on the knees ( mostly for people whose knees are
    already in bad shape ), this advice was especially stupid.
    Hopefully people googling the original post will realize
    just how stupid these poster are, before they blow out
    their knees.

    The other stupid claim contends that upper body
    conditioning is not useful in bicycling. Two arguments
    were used to explain my upper body fatigue (when riding):
    gripping the handlebars too tightly and a poor bicycle
    fit. Both stupid for simple reasons.

    Frankly I know that the fit if my bike is not as good as
    it could be, because my body is misproportioned. But it is
    as good as it is going to get ( mainly because I don't
    have the time to get a custom fit ). I bought it from
    Turin Cycling, one of the premier bicycling shops in the
    Chicagoland area. They know how to fit a bike. I've been
    riding for 30 years. I know how to fit a bike. Just before
    I bought the bike I reviewed books and articles on fitting
    bikes to make sure that I remembered things right.

    As for gripping handlebars too tightly; I've been cycling
    for thirty years. I know how to grip a bike. Not only do I
    have all my experience ( once again 30 years ), but in
    that time I did a lot of reading, talking to other
    cyclists, etc to improve my form. From the way I have
    ridden in the past, it seemed like I pretty much had it
    down, being able to outride ( both in speed and distance )
    most of my friends.

    Fact is that bicycling requires but does not create upper
    body strength. I checked out several books and they all
    agree on this point. These books range from publications
    by "Bicycling" to Eugene Sloane's "Complete Book of
    Bicycling". The books are quite specific, the lion's share
    of your weight is carried by your arms. Can't remember the
    number that they gave as a percentage, but I would say
    that at least 60% of your weight is on your arms. ( For
    those who don't know, but are curious, that's because the
    more weight on your butt the more impediment there is to
    smooth pedalling. I know not a lot, but how much do you
    gain by shaving your legs? )

    In the end, I believe that the idiots that put this
    forward, are just plain lazy and don't want to do any
    upper body conditioning. So instead they make excuses
    about why it's not necessary. Even to those who are
    willing to do it.

    <===========>

    My question(s):

    I used to go to a gym, but it turned out that I spent more
    time driving to and fro then I did in the gym. Checking
    the situation out, there are no gyms which are
    conveniently located. I live in a group environment, so
    noisy equipment is out, and since I have very very little
    room ( not enough free room to do an exercise video ) a
    lot of equipment is out.

    On top of that, the last few years have been rough
    healthwise so I need to basically start from the bottom.
    In particular, I want to build up to the point where I can
    do much more serious cycling again. Like going out and
    doing a century ( which means 100 miles in one day/trip ).

    Another thing that I am looking for is balance (and
    comprehensiveness). In the past I've eschewed balance and
    it cost me. Ignore the Achilles's tendon and cause calf
    problems. Ignore the ILTB ( though I really don't know how
    to not ignore
    it ) and wind up with knee problems. So I'm looking for a
    workout that will develop me in a balanced way.

    To quote one book: "Fitness is many things to many
    people. To us you are as fit as the weakest link in your
    fitness chain."

    I gotten to the point where you have a rough idea of
    what I want. Let me now state the main question that I
    am asking.

    *** Can people recommend books/web sites/anything else
    that will help me design an exercise plan that meets the
    above criteria, plus a few other things below. ***

    The things I expect such a plan to do is to enable me to
    build up suppleness/flexibility, strength and endurance.

    It should allow me to miss a few days.( As few as
    possible, but when you get older, there are these things
    called jobs...) It should also allow substitutions of
    exercises, ( So if I can't do exercise 1 to work on a
    bicep because of injury, I do exercise 29 instead. ) and
    create rotations ( where some muscles are given a rest on
    some days ) so that I don't overexercise.

    So now a few questions/comments on some of the more
    positive things that came from my original post.

    While I don't disagree with the general idea of doing
    Yoga, it seems much of the time the exercises are just
    thrown out. I'm looking for a plan ( comprehensive
    workout/with a good rotation of exercises ). I suspect Tai
    Chi might be better for me though.

    Someone suggested I get weights ( 1 -10 lbs ) or
    "straps"/bands. Can someone talk about the
    advantages/disadvantages of weights vs bands? For weights,
    which are preferable dumbells type weights, or the kind
    that attach to your wrist/ankles?

    A final comment. Someone recommended books written by
    Joyce Vendral. I've checked out a couple in the library,
    and they seem to be more focused to women. Also I'm a
    little put off by the way she spammed some of her books
    on Amazon.

    Thanks.

  7. Hi,
    well I would like to weigh in on the questions which you posed. A
    little background about myself: I'm 47 yrs. old and have been
    exercising for 11 yrs.
    I have bursitis in both knees (beginning when I was 30) and arthritis
    in my knees and akles. It got to the point where I couldn't even take
    a short walk down the length of a mall. My doctor said not to run
    anymore and keep walking to a minimum. God that [censored] me off.
    What's with this defeatist attitude. Well I took my med's, massaged my
    knees daily till the pain went away. Then I got to work and started
    to strengthen the muscles around my knees and ankles. I can't run 5
    miles like I used to but I can now run for 20 minutes with no pain. I
    exercise regularly and I use a system which may help you by addressing
    the issues you seek. I've got friends who are middle aged and over
    who still run marathons 10K and up, and bycicle regularly for a
    century.
    Go get yourself some barbells and those rubber bands as well as those
    poles that extend across door ways. go to the library, check out any
    exercise books that show which muscles each exercise works and sit
    down and write a list of exercises which form a complete full-body
    workout system. Or you can visit www.fitrack.net and for 10$ get the
    same thing in a small compact and easy to use exercise tracking
    system. I use it and it works great for me and my wife.
    Good luck friend.
    Payne
    Thad O <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    A while ago I asking for help in designing in an exercise
    program. The responses ranged from awful to OK with
    nothing really great. Some of the responses raised more
    questions. So I thought I would repost my question.
    Clarifying it, and expanding on it.

    I've also added misc.fitness.misc. After looking at the
    answers to the questions, I realized that while the
    diabetes and bicycling were a good place to ask my
    question, alone they were not able to provide an overall
    perspective which I believe this group can provide.

    But before I go on, there were a few answers which were...
    well stupid. I'm tired of the people who post things which
    are wrong ( in this case some were plain dangerous ). I
    guess some guys have to make up for other... shortcomings,
    by pulling a Cliff Claven act. So, before I get to my
    question I am going to call those people on their
    stupidity. For those who want to skip ahead, I will be
    marking the end of this part by <===========>.

    Of the stupid claims, probably the most stupid claim is
    that climbing stairs is the same exercise as using a
    stairmaster. Aside from the fact that stairclimbing alone
    is not going to promote *all around* fitness ( thus not
    answering my question, just some garbage someone spews to
    show how *smart* they are ), stairs are not the same as a
    ( high quality ) stairmaster. Any orthopedist will tell
    you that stairs produce much more wear and tear on the
    knees. Given that bicycling can also create lots of wear
    and tear on the knees ( mostly for people whose knees are
    already in bad shape ), this advice was especially stupid.
    Hopefully people googling the original post will realize
    just how stupid these poster are, before they blow out
    their knees.

    The other stupid claim contends that upper body
    conditioning is not useful in bicycling. Two arguments
    were used to explain my upper body fatigue (when riding):
    gripping the handlebars too tightly and a poor bicycle
    fit. Both stupid for simple reasons.

    Frankly I know that the fit if my bike is not as good as
    it could be, because my body is misproportioned. But it is
    as good as it is going to get ( mainly because I don't
    have the time to get a custom fit ). I bought it from
    Turin Cycling, one of the premier bicycling shops in the
    Chicagoland area. They know how to fit a bike. I've been
    riding for 30 years. I know how to fit a bike. Just before
    I bought the bike I reviewed books and articles on fitting
    bikes to make sure that I remembered things right.

    As for gripping handlebars too tightly; I've been cycling
    for thirty years. I know how to grip a bike. Not only do I
    have all my experience ( once again 30 years ), but in
    that time I did a lot of reading, talking to other
    cyclists, etc to improve my form. From the way I have
    ridden in the past, it seemed like I pretty much had it
    down, being able to outride ( both in speed and distance )
    most of my friends.

    Fact is that bicycling requires but does not create upper
    body strength. I checked out several books and they all
    agree on this point. These books range from publications
    by "Bicycling" to Eugene Sloane's "Complete Book of
    Bicycling". The books are quite specific, the lion's share
    of your weight is carried by your arms. Can't remember the
    number that they gave as a percentage, but I would say
    that at least 60% of your weight is on your arms. ( For
    those who don't know, but are curious, that's because the
    more weight on your butt the more impediment there is to
    smooth pedalling. I know not a lot, but how much do you
    gain by shaving your legs? )

    In the end, I believe that the idiots that put this
    forward, are just plain lazy and don't want to do any
    upper body conditioning. So instead they make excuses
    about why it's not necessary. Even to those who are
    willing to do it.

    <===========>

    My question(s):

    I used to go to a gym, but it turned out that I spent more
    time driving to and fro then I did in the gym. Checking
    the situation out, there are no gyms which are
    conveniently located. I live in a group environment, so
    noisy equipment is out, and since I have very very little
    room ( not enough free room to do an exercise video ) a
    lot of equipment is out.

    On top of that, the last few years have been rough
    healthwise so I need to basically start from the bottom.
    In particular, I want to build up to the point where I can
    do much more serious cycling again. Like going out and
    doing a century ( which means 100 miles in one day/trip ).

    Another thing that I am looking for is balance (and
    comprehensiveness). In the past I've eschewed balance and
    it cost me. Ignore the Achilles's tendon and cause calf
    problems. Ignore the ILTB ( though I really don't know how
    to not ignore
    it ) and wind up with knee problems. So I'm looking for a
    workout that will develop me in a balanced way.

    To quote one book: "Fitness is many things to many
    people. To us you are as fit as the weakest link in your
    fitness chain."

    I gotten to the point where you have a rough idea of
    what I want. Let me now state the main question that I
    am asking.

    *** Can people recommend books/web sites/anything else
    that will help me design an exercise plan that meets the
    above criteria, plus a few other things below. ***

    The things I expect such a plan to do is to enable me to
    build up suppleness/flexibility, strength and endurance.

    It should allow me to miss a few days.( As few as
    possible, but when you get older, there are these things
    called jobs...) It should also allow substitutions of
    exercises, ( So if I can't do exercise 1 to work on a
    bicep because of injury, I do exercise 29 instead. ) and
    create rotations ( where some muscles are given a rest on
    some days ) so that I don't overexercise.

    So now a few questions/comments on some of the more
    positive things that came from my original post.

    While I don't disagree with the general idea of doing
    Yoga, it seems much of the time the exercises are just
    thrown out. I'm looking for a plan ( comprehensive
    workout/with a good rotation of exercises ). I suspect Tai
    Chi might be better for me though.

    Someone suggested I get weights ( 1 -10 lbs ) or
    "straps"/bands. Can someone talk about the
    advantages/disadvantages of weights vs bands? For weights,
    which are preferable dumbells type weights, or the kind
    that attach to your wrist/ankles?

    A final comment. Someone recommended books written by
    Joyce Vendral. I've checked out a couple in the library,
    and they seem to be more focused to women. Also I'm a
    little put off by the way she spammed some of her books
    on Amazon.

    Thanks.

  8. (Payne) said:

    check out any exercise books that show which muscles each
    exercise works and sit down and write a list of exercises
    which form a complete full-body workout system.

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    Good muscle drawings

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