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  1. August 21, 2005

    Mountain Biking: Moseley moves mountains to conquer the world
    Downhill mountain biking is one of the most dangerous sports around, but that
    hasn’t put off Tracy Moseley, who goes into today’s penultimate round of the
    World Cup with victory in her sights, writes Rob Maul

    WHENEVER Tracy Moseley makes a mistake, it hurts. With even the slightest of
    slips, she runs the risk of breaking a bone. Which is not surprising given that
    her sport involves careering down muddy slopes on a bicycle, reaching speeds of
    50mph, and all the while dodging trees.

    “One miscalculation is all it takes,” she says. “It really is that easy. You
    almost have to ride cautiously at times to make sure you will remain in one
    piece for the next competition.”

    Welcome to the world of downhill mountain biking. Even with full body
    protection, concussion and broken bones are common as riders sprint along marked
    courses more than 2,500m long at gradients of one in four. It is the adrenaline
    rush that distracts riders from the dangers. “There is nothing like it,” says
    Moseley. “I am lucky to do what I do. The shock is going to come when I retire
    and have to get a real job. People think I am mad but it is a brilliant sport.”

    It is also a successful one for Britain, which has consistently produced top
    riders, including Steve Peat, from Sheffield, last year’s World Cup and European
    champion.

    At the age of 26, Moseley has established herself as Britain’s top female rider
    and is one of the best professional riders in the world. She is currently in
    second place, behind the Frenchwoman Sabrina Jonnier, in this year’s UCI World
    Cup, which has its penultimate round in Pila, Italy, today. The final round is
    at Fort William next month, with the climax to the World Cup being separated by
    the world championships, also in Italy, to make for a frantic end to the season.

    Brought up on a 140-acre dairy farm in Malvern, Worcestershire, Moseley spent
    much of her childhood milking cows until she turned to riding.

    “Let’s just say that my parents never expected me to work on the farm but hoped
    I would,” says Moseley. “They are very open minded and insisted I had a good
    education. Like any parent, if a child shows an interest in something that keeps
    them off the streets, then they will help them achieve their goals. As my riding
    began to progress, I was encouraged to be the best I could.”

    Inspired by her older brother Ed, who was a top 10 British rider, Moseley
    started racing at the age of 13 and found she had a flair for the sport. By 15,
    she had won junior titles and, in 1997, while studying for her A levels, she
    took silver at the junior world championships. After completing a biology degree
    at Sheffield University, she took to downhill racing full time.

    Like most sports, the financial rewards are not in line with those for men. The
    income of a top male rider can exceed £100,000 a year, while the leading women
    average about £15,000. Moseley is unperturbed. “There are plenty of worse jobs,”
    she says. “Where else would I get the chance to travel the world? I have raced
    in Japan, America, Russia, and most of Europe. I do it for the love and
    enjoyment, and not for the money.”

    And what about the pain? “If the time comes that I am scared to approach a
    track, then what is the point of carrying on? As soon as it is not fun any more,
    or I am scared of making a mistake, then it is time to stop.”
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  2. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    August 21, 2005

    Mountain Biking: Moseley moves mountains to conquer the world
    Downhill mountain biking is one of the most dangerous sports around, but


    that

    Quoted message said:

    hasn't put off Tracy Moseley, who goes into today's penultimate round of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    World Cup with victory in her sights, writes Rob Maul

    WHENEVER Tracy Moseley makes a mistake, it hurts. With even the slightest


    of

    Quoted message said:

    slips, she runs the risk of breaking a bone. Which is not surprising given


    that

    Quoted message said:

    her sport involves careering down muddy slopes on a bicycle, reaching


    speeds of

    Quoted message said:

    50mph, and all the while dodging trees.

    "One miscalculation is all it takes," she says. "It really is that easy.


    You

    Quoted message said:

    almost have to ride cautiously at times to make sure you will remain in


    one

    Quoted message said:

    piece for the next competition."

    Welcome to the world of downhill mountain biking. Even with full body
    protection, concussion and broken bones are common as riders sprint along


    marked

    Quoted message said:

    courses more than 2,500m long at gradients of one in four. It is the


    adrenaline

    Quoted message said:

    rush that distracts riders from the dangers. "There is nothing like it,"


    says

    Quoted message said:

    Moseley. "I am lucky to do what I do. The shock is going to come when I


    retire

    Quoted message said:

    and have to get a real job. People think I am mad but it is a brilliant


    sport."

    Quoted message said:


    It is also a successful one for Britain, which has consistently produced


    top

    Quoted message said:

    riders, including Steve Peat, from Sheffield, last year's World Cup and


    European

    Quoted message said:

    champion.

    At the age of 26, Moseley has established herself as Britain's top female


    rider

    Quoted message said:

    and is one of the best professional riders in the world. She is currently


    in

    Quoted message said:

    second place, behind the Frenchwoman Sabrina Jonnier, in this year's UCI


    World

    Quoted message said:

    Cup, which has its penultimate round in Pila, Italy, today. The final


    round is

    Quoted message said:

    at Fort William next month, with the climax to the World Cup being


    separated by

    Quoted message said:

    the world championships, also in Italy, to make for a frantic end to the


    season.

    Quoted message said:


    Brought up on a 140-acre dairy farm in Malvern, Worcestershire, Moseley


    spent

    Quoted message said:

    much of her childhood milking cows until she turned to riding.

    "Let's just say that my parents never expected me to work on the farm but


    hoped

    Quoted message said:

    I would," says Moseley. "They are very open minded and insisted I had a


    good

    Quoted message said:

    education. Like any parent, if a child shows an interest in something that


    keeps

    Quoted message said:

    them off the streets, then they will help them achieve their goals. As my


    riding

    Quoted message said:

    began to progress, I was encouraged to be the best I could."

    Inspired by her older brother Ed, who was a top 10 British rider, Moseley
    started racing at the age of 13 and found she had a flair for the sport.


    By 15,

    Quoted message said:

    she had won junior titles and, in 1997, while studying for her A levels,


    she

    Quoted message said:

    took silver at the junior world championships. After completing a biology


    degree

    Quoted message said:

    at Sheffield University, she took to downhill racing full time.

    Like most sports, the financial rewards are not in line with those for


    men. The

    Quoted message said:

    income of a top male rider can exceed £100,000 a year, while the leading


    women

    Quoted message said:

    average about £15,000. Moseley is unperturbed. "There are plenty of worse


    jobs,"

    Quoted message said:

    she says. "Where else would I get the chance to travel the world? I have


    raced

    Quoted message said:

    in Japan, America, Russia, and most of Europe. I do it for the love and
    enjoyment, and not for the money."

    And what about the pain? "If the time comes that I am scared to approach a
    track, then what is the point of carrying on? As soon as it is not fun any


    more,

    Quoted message said:

    or I am scared of making a mistake, then it is time to stop."
    ===


    Are you suggesting a sportswoman striving to be the best, to be world
    champion is in any way not to be applauded?
    If its because she gets hurt, you name me one single american olympic
    champion, ever, who has not suffered an injury during that career.
    Just one.
    Or do you consider those people unworthy too? Do you consider Carl Lewis
    (who suffered many injuries during his career) as 'evolution at work'?
    Or is it you consider women in sport as wrong?
    May I suggest any one of them has done more for this planet by the example
    they set than you will ever do should you live to be 120 sitting infront of
    a PC spouting hate and lies.

  3. Mike Vandeman wrote:

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  4. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> cut and pasted some nonsense that made
    sense to him (probably only at time of posting though) in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    August 21, 2005

    Blah, blah, blahh.

    And your point is? It's a sport, people get hurt, even track athletics mess
    peoples bodies up eventually.

    Andy H

  5. If Evolution really is at work, your kids should have absolutely no brain at
    all.

  6. "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If Evolution really is at work, your kids should have absolutely no brain
    at all.

    Good one... :-)

  7. On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:50:15 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ..
    .."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ..news:[email hidden]...
    ..> August 21, 2005
    ..>
    ..> Mountain Biking: Moseley moves mountains to conquer the world
    ..> Downhill mountain biking is one of the most dangerous sports around, but
    ..that
    ..> hasn't put off Tracy Moseley, who goes into today's penultimate round of
    ..the
    ..> World Cup with victory in her sights, writes Rob Maul
    ..>
    ..>
    ..>
    ..>
    ..>
    ..> WHENEVER Tracy Moseley makes a mistake, it hurts. With even the slightest
    ..of
    ..> slips, she runs the risk of breaking a bone. Which is not surprising given
    ..that
    ..> her sport involves careering down muddy slopes on a bicycle, reaching
    ..speeds of
    ..> 50mph, and all the while dodging trees.
    ..>
    ..> "One miscalculation is all it takes," she says. "It really is that easy.
    ..You
    ..> almost have to ride cautiously at times to make sure you will remain in
    ..one
    ..> piece for the next competition."
    ..>
    ..> Welcome to the world of downhill mountain biking. Even with full body
    ..> protection, concussion and broken bones are common as riders sprint along
    ..marked
    ..> courses more than 2,500m long at gradients of one in four. It is the
    ..adrenaline
    ..> rush that distracts riders from the dangers. "There is nothing like it,"
    ..says
    ..> Moseley. "I am lucky to do what I do. The shock is going to come when I
    ..retire
    ..> and have to get a real job. People think I am mad but it is a brilliant
    ..sport."
    ..>
    ..> It is also a successful one for Britain, which has consistently produced
    ..top
    ..> riders, including Steve Peat, from Sheffield, last year's World Cup and
    ..European
    ..> champion.
    ..>
    ..> At the age of 26, Moseley has established herself as Britain's top female
    ..rider
    ..> and is one of the best professional riders in the world. She is currently
    ..in
    ..> second place, behind the Frenchwoman Sabrina Jonnier, in this year's UCI
    ..World
    ..> Cup, which has its penultimate round in Pila, Italy, today. The final
    ..round is
    ..> at Fort William next month, with the climax to the World Cup being
    ..separated by
    ..> the world championships, also in Italy, to make for a frantic end to the
    ..season.
    ..>
    ..> Brought up on a 140-acre dairy farm in Malvern, Worcestershire, Moseley
    ..spent
    ..> much of her childhood milking cows until she turned to riding.
    ..>
    ..> "Let's just say that my parents never expected me to work on the farm but
    ..hoped
    ..> I would," says Moseley. "They are very open minded and insisted I had a
    ..good
    ..> education. Like any parent, if a child shows an interest in something that
    ..keeps
    ..> them off the streets, then they will help them achieve their goals. As my
    ..riding
    ..> began to progress, I was encouraged to be the best I could."
    ..>
    ..> Inspired by her older brother Ed, who was a top 10 British rider, Moseley
    ..> started racing at the age of 13 and found she had a flair for the sport.
    ..By 15,
    ..> she had won junior titles and, in 1997, while studying for her A levels,
    ..she
    ..> took silver at the junior world championships. After completing a biology
    ..degree
    ..> at Sheffield University, she took to downhill racing full time.
    ..>
    ..> Like most sports, the financial rewards are not in line with those for
    ..men. The
    ..> income of a top male rider can exceed £100,000 a year, while the leading
    ..women
    ..> average about £15,000. Moseley is unperturbed. "There are plenty of worse
    ..jobs,"
    ..> she says. "Where else would I get the chance to travel the world? I have
    ..raced
    ..> in Japan, America, Russia, and most of Europe. I do it for the love and
    ..> enjoyment, and not for the money."
    ..>
    ..> And what about the pain? "If the time comes that I am scared to approach a
    ..> track, then what is the point of carrying on? As soon as it is not fun any
    ..more,
    ..> or I am scared of making a mistake, then it is time to stop."
    ..> ===
    ..Are you suggesting a sportswoman striving to be the best, to be world
    ..champion is in any way not to be applauded?

    Of course! What's good about being the best criminal, or the best at destroying
    wildlife habitat, or the best at creating erosion?

    ..If its because she gets hurt, you name me one single american olympic
    ..champion, ever, who has not suffered an injury during that career.
    ..Just one.

    That should tell you something! Injury is not a sign of success!

    ..Or do you consider those people unworthy too? Do you consider Carl Lewis
    ..(who suffered many injuries during his career) as 'evolution at work'?
    ..Or is it you consider women in sport as wrong?

    Being able to run fast is not that important for survival in most societies.
    Maybe Kenya excepted....

    ..May I suggest any one of them has done more for this planet by the example
    ..they set than you will ever do should you live to be 120 sitting infront of
    ..a PC spouting hate and lies.

    I agree, which is why I never do that.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  8. On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:34:44 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ..
    .."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> cut and pasted some nonsense that made
    ..sense to him (probably only at time of posting though) in message
    ..news:[email hidden]...
    ..> August 21, 2005
    ..>
    ..> Blah, blah, blahh.
    ..
    ..And your point is? It's a sport, people get hurt, even track athletics mess
    ..peoples bodies up eventually.

    Um, it's not a sign of SUCCESS!

    ..Andy H
    ..

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  9. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:50:15 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    .
    ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    .news:[email hidden]...
    .> August 21, 2005
    .>
    .> Mountain Biking: Moseley moves mountains to conquer the world
    .> Downhill mountain biking is one of the most dangerous sports around,


    but

    Quoted message said:

    .that
    .> hasn't put off Tracy Moseley, who goes into today's penultimate round


    of

    Quoted message said:

    .the
    .> World Cup with victory in her sights, writes Rob Maul
    .>
    .>
    .>
    .>
    .>
    .> WHENEVER Tracy Moseley makes a mistake, it hurts. With even the


    slightest

    Quoted message said:

    .of
    .> slips, she runs the risk of breaking a bone. Which is not surprising


    given

    Quoted message said:

    .that
    .> her sport involves careering down muddy slopes on a bicycle, reaching
    .speeds of
    .> 50mph, and all the while dodging trees.
    .>
    .> "One miscalculation is all it takes," she says. "It really is that


    easy.

    Quoted message said:

    .You
    .> almost have to ride cautiously at times to make sure you will remain in
    .one
    .> piece for the next competition."
    .>
    .> Welcome to the world of downhill mountain biking. Even with full body
    .> protection, concussion and broken bones are common as riders sprint


    along

    Quoted message said:

    .marked
    .> courses more than 2,500m long at gradients of one in four. It is the
    .adrenaline
    .> rush that distracts riders from the dangers. "There is nothing like


    it,"

    Quoted message said:

    .says
    .> Moseley. "I am lucky to do what I do. The shock is going to come when I
    .retire
    .> and have to get a real job. People think I am mad but it is a brilliant
    .sport."
    .>
    .> It is also a successful one for Britain, which has consistently


    produced

    Quoted message said:

    .top
    .> riders, including Steve Peat, from Sheffield, last year's World Cup and
    .European
    .> champion.
    .>
    .> At the age of 26, Moseley has established herself as Britain's top


    female

    Quoted message said:

    .rider
    .> and is one of the best professional riders in the world. She is


    currently

    Quoted message said:

    .in
    .> second place, behind the Frenchwoman Sabrina Jonnier, in this year's


    UCI

    Quoted message said:

    .World
    .> Cup, which has its penultimate round in Pila, Italy, today. The final
    .round is
    .> at Fort William next month, with the climax to the World Cup being
    .separated by
    .> the world championships, also in Italy, to make for a frantic end to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    .season.
    .>
    .> Brought up on a 140-acre dairy farm in Malvern, Worcestershire, Moseley
    .spent
    .> much of her childhood milking cows until she turned to riding.
    .>
    .> "Let's just say that my parents never expected me to work on the farm


    but

    Quoted message said:

    .hoped
    .> I would," says Moseley. "They are very open minded and insisted I had a
    .good
    .> education. Like any parent, if a child shows an interest in something


    that

    Quoted message said:

    .keeps
    .> them off the streets, then they will help them achieve their goals. As


    my

    Quoted message said:

    .riding
    .> began to progress, I was encouraged to be the best I could."
    .>
    .> Inspired by her older brother Ed, who was a top 10 British rider,


    Moseley

    Quoted message said:

    .> started racing at the age of 13 and found she had a flair for the


    sport.

    Quoted message said:

    .By 15,
    .> she had won junior titles and, in 1997, while studying for her A


    levels,

    Quoted message said:

    .she
    .> took silver at the junior world championships. After completing a


    biology

    Quoted message said:

    .degree
    .> at Sheffield University, she took to downhill racing full time.
    .>
    .> Like most sports, the financial rewards are not in line with those for
    .men. The
    .> income of a top male rider can exceed £100,000 a year, while the


    leading

    Quoted message said:

    .women
    .> average about £15,000. Moseley is unperturbed. "There are plenty of


    worse

    Quoted message said:

    .jobs,"
    .> she says. "Where else would I get the chance to travel the world? I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    .raced
    .> in Japan, America, Russia, and most of Europe. I do it for the love and
    .> enjoyment, and not for the money."
    .>
    .> And what about the pain? "If the time comes that I am scared to


    approach a

    Quoted message said:

    .> track, then what is the point of carrying on? As soon as it is not fun


    any

    Quoted message said:

    .more,
    .> or I am scared of making a mistake, then it is time to stop."
    .> ===
    .Are you suggesting a sportswoman striving to be the best, to be world
    .champion is in any way not to be applauded?

    Of course! What's good about being the best criminal, or the best at


    destroying

    Quoted message said:

    wildlife habitat, or the best at creating erosion?


    Liar.
    Show one piece of proof the named sportswomen has broken the law. I want
    corroborated police evidence she is a criminal.
    You cant stop lying , can you.

    Quoted message said:

    .If its because she gets hurt, you name me one single american olympic
    .champion, ever, who has not suffered an injury during that career.
    .Just one.

    That should tell you something! Injury is not a sign of success!


    But winning world championships and olympic medals is, so if it isnt the
    injuries, what is the point you are trying to make?

    Quoted message said:

    .Or do you consider those people unworthy too? Do you consider Carl Lewis
    .(who suffered many injuries during his career) as 'evolution at work'?
    .Or is it you consider women in sport as wrong?

    Being able to run fast is not that important for survival in most


    societies.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Kenya excepted....


    Neither is a refridgerator, computer, gas and/or electrical applliances,
    mains electricity, television, radio , the internet.
    Yet you seem to be happy with these non essentials, why is it the things you
    find important are the only ones that humans should take note of. because
    you cant see the point in sport, should no one else.
    Ahh, I forget, your from the Synanon mindset, the sort who put poisenous
    snakes in the letterboxes of those that disgaree with your closed view of
    the world.
    My way or no way, thats your motto. What a sad world that would be.

    Quoted message said:

    .May I suggest any one of them has done more for this planet by the


    example

    Quoted message said:

    .they set than you will ever do should you live to be 120 sitting infront


    of

    Quoted message said:

    .a PC spouting hate and lies.

    I agree, which is why I never do that.

    Really, Ive proven you a liar, you hate mountain bikes by your own words.
    seems that is exactly what you are doing.
    Or are you going to direct me to view this 'pure habitat' you have created
    over the last 10 years...
    Oh thats right, you havent actually done it have you.

  10. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> crawled forth from his pit of utter
    contempt long enough to spew forth
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:34:44 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    .
    ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> cut and pasted some nonsense that
    made
    .sense to him (probably only at time of posting though) in message
    .news:[email hidden]...
    .> August 21, 2005
    .>
    .> Blah, blah, blahh.
    .
    .And your point is? It's a sport, people get hurt, even track athletics
    mess
    .peoples bodies up eventually.

    Um, it's not a sign of SUCCESS!


    And hanging around recreational outdoor type newsgroups spouting utter [censored]
    and generally annoying people is?. :-p

  11. On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:07:11 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ..
    .."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> crawled forth from his pit of utter
    ..contempt long enough to spew forth
    ..news:[email hidden]...
    ..> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:34:44 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ..>
    ..> .
    ..> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> cut and pasted some nonsense that
    ..> made
    ..> .sense to him (probably only at time of posting though) in message
    ..> .news:[email hidden]...
    ..> .> August 21, 2005
    ..> .>
    ..> .> Blah, blah, blahh.
    ..> .
    ..> .And your point is? It's a sport, people get hurt, even track athletics
    ..> mess
    ..> .peoples bodies up eventually.
    ..>
    ..> Um, it's not a sign of SUCCESS!
    ..>
    ..>
    ..And hanging around recreational outdoor type newsgroups spouting utter [censored]
    ..and generally annoying people is?. :-p

    Yes, when it's the TRUTH. And when it leads to closures of trails to bikes.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  12. On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:50:03 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ..
    .."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ..news:[email hidden]...
    ..> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:50:15 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
    ..wrote:
    ..>
    ..> .
    ..> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ..> .news:[email hidden]...
    ..> .> August 21, 2005
    ..> .>
    ..> .> Mountain Biking: Moseley moves mountains to conquer the world
    ..> .> Downhill mountain biking is one of the most dangerous sports around,
    ..but
    ..> .that
    ..> .> hasn't put off Tracy Moseley, who goes into today's penultimate round
    ..of
    ..> .the
    ..> .> World Cup with victory in her sights, writes Rob Maul
    ..> .>
    ..> .>
    ..> .>
    ..> .>
    ..> .>
    ..> .> WHENEVER Tracy Moseley makes a mistake, it hurts. With even the
    ..slightest
    ..> .of
    ..> .> slips, she runs the risk of breaking a bone. Which is not surprising
    ..given
    ..> .that
    ..> .> her sport involves careering down muddy slopes on a bicycle, reaching
    ..> .speeds of
    ..> .> 50mph, and all the while dodging trees.
    ..> .>
    ..> .> "One miscalculation is all it takes," she says. "It really is that
    ..easy.
    ..> .You
    ..> .> almost have to ride cautiously at times to make sure you will remain in
    ..> .one
    ..> .> piece for the next competition."
    ..> .>
    ..> .> Welcome to the world of downhill mountain biking. Even with full body
    ..> .> protection, concussion and broken bones are common as riders sprint
    ..along
    ..> .marked
    ..> .> courses more than 2,500m long at gradients of one in four. It is the
    ..> .adrenaline
    ..> .> rush that distracts riders from the dangers. "There is nothing like
    ..it,"
    ..> .says
    ..> .> Moseley. "I am lucky to do what I do. The shock is going to come when I
    ..> .retire
    ..> .> and have to get a real job. People think I am mad but it is a brilliant
    ..> .sport."
    ..> .>
    ..> .> It is also a successful one for Britain, which has consistently
    ..produced
    ..> .top
    ..> .> riders, including Steve Peat, from Sheffield, last year's World Cup and
    ..> .European
    ..> .> champion.
    ..> .>
    ..> .> At the age of 26, Moseley has established herself as Britain's top
    ..female
    ..> .rider
    ..> .> and is one of the best professional riders in the world. She is
    ..currently
    ..> .in
    ..> .> second place, behind the Frenchwoman Sabrina Jonnier, in this year's
    ..UCI
    ..> .World
    ..> .> Cup, which has its penultimate round in Pila, Italy, today. The final
    ..> .round is
    ..> .> at Fort William next month, with the climax to the World Cup being
    ..> .separated by
    ..> .> the world championships, also in Italy, to make for a frantic end to
    ..the
    ..> .season.
    ..> .>
    ..> .> Brought up on a 140-acre dairy farm in Malvern, Worcestershire, Moseley
    ..> .spent
    ..> .> much of her childhood milking cows until she turned to riding.
    ..> .>
    ..> .> "Let's just say that my parents never expected me to work on the farm
    ..but
    ..> .hoped
    ..> .> I would," says Moseley. "They are very open minded and insisted I had a
    ..> .good
    ..> .> education. Like any parent, if a child shows an interest in something
    ..that
    ..> .keeps
    ..> .> them off the streets, then they will help them achieve their goals. As
    ..my
    ..> .riding
    ..> .> began to progress, I was encouraged to be the best I could."
    ..> .>
    ..> .> Inspired by her older brother Ed, who was a top 10 British rider,
    ..Moseley
    ..> .> started racing at the age of 13 and found she had a flair for the
    ..sport.
    ..> .By 15,
    ..> .> she had won junior titles and, in 1997, while studying for her A
    ..levels,
    ..> .she
    ..> .> took silver at the junior world championships. After completing a
    ..biology
    ..> .degree
    ..> .> at Sheffield University, she took to downhill racing full time.
    ..> .>
    ..> .> Like most sports, the financial rewards are not in line with those for
    ..> .men. The
    ..> .> income of a top male rider can exceed £100,000 a year, while the
    ..leading
    ..> .women
    ..> .> average about £15,000. Moseley is unperturbed. "There are plenty of
    ..worse
    ..> .jobs,"
    ..> .> she says. "Where else would I get the chance to travel the world? I
    ..have
    ..> .raced
    ..> .> in Japan, America, Russia, and most of Europe. I do it for the love and
    ..> .> enjoyment, and not for the money."
    ..> .>
    ..> .> And what about the pain? "If the time comes that I am scared to
    ..approach a
    ..> .> track, then what is the point of carrying on? As soon as it is not fun
    ..any
    ..> .more,
    ..> .> or I am scared of making a mistake, then it is time to stop."
    ..> .> ===
    ..> .Are you suggesting a sportswoman striving to be the best, to be world
    ..> .champion is in any way not to be applauded?
    ..>
    ..> Of course! What's good about being the best criminal, or the best at
    ..destroying
    ..> wildlife habitat, or the best at creating erosion?
    ..Liar.
    ..Show one piece of proof the named sportswomen has broken the law. I want
    ..corroborated police evidence she is a criminal.

    I didn't ssay she did.

    ..You cant stop lying , can you.
    ..> .If its because she gets hurt, you name me one single american olympic
    ..> .champion, ever, who has not suffered an injury during that career.
    ..> .Just one.
    ..>
    ..> That should tell you something! Injury is not a sign of success!
    ..But winning world championships and olympic medals is, so if it isnt the
    ..injuries, what is the point you are trying to make?

    No, winning only seems like success in the narrow world of sports, but is
    IRRELEVANT in the real world.

    ..> .Or do you consider those people unworthy too? Do you consider Carl Lewis
    ..> .(who suffered many injuries during his career) as 'evolution at work'?
    ..> .Or is it you consider women in sport as wrong?
    ..>
    ..> Being able to run fast is not that important for survival in most
    ..societies.
    ..> Maybe Kenya excepted....
    ..Neither is a refridgerator, computer, gas and/or electrical applliances,
    ..mains electricity, television, radio , the internet.
    ..Yet you seem to be happy with these non essentials, why is it the things you
    ..find important are the only ones that humans should take note of. because
    ..you cant see the point in sport, should no one else.
    ..Ahh, I forget, your from the Synanon mindset, the sort who put poisenous
    ..snakes in the letterboxes of those that disgaree with your closed view of
    ..the world.
    ..My way or no way, thats your motto. What a sad world that would be.

    Don't change the subject: evolution at work.

    ..> .May I suggest any one of them has done more for this planet by the
    ..example
    ..> .they set than you will ever do should you live to be 120 sitting infront
    ..of
    ..> .a PC spouting hate and lies.
    ..>
    ..> I agree, which is why I never do that.
    ..
    ..Really, Ive proven you a liar, you hate mountain bikes by your own words.

    Nope, mountain BIKING. Try telling the truth for a change.

    ..seems that is exactly what you are doing.
    ..Or are you going to direct me to view this 'pure habitat' you have created
    ..over the last 10 years...
    ..Oh thats right, you havent actually done it have you.
    ..

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


  13. Quoted message said:

    .> Of course! What's good about being the best criminal, or the best at
    .destroying
    .> wildlife habitat, or the best at creating erosion?
    .Liar.
    .Show one piece of proof the named sportswomen has broken the law. I want
    .corroborated police evidence she is a criminal.

    I didn't ssay she did.

    I see , so 'What's good about being the best criminal' in response to my
    question 'Are you suggesting a sportswoman striving to be the best, to be
    world champion is in any way not to be applauded' is not suggesting she is a
    criminal.
    Its there, quite clearly what you have written, now you deny it. When
    challenged to produce eveidence you cant, you emrely pretend you didnt say
    it.Your lies know no bounds do they?

    Quoted message said:

    .You cant stop lying , can you.
    .> .If its because she gets hurt, you name me one single american olympic
    .> .champion, ever, who has not suffered an injury during that career.
    .> .Just one.
    .>
    .> That should tell you something! Injury is not a sign of success!
    .But winning world championships and olympic medals is, so if it isnt the
    .injuries, what is the point you are trying to make?

    No, winning only seems like success in the narrow world of sports, but is
    IRRELEVANT in the real world.

    So you are saying that succesful athleses who go on to be productive role
    models to the worlds youth, promoting healthy lifestyles, respect for the
    world in general and decrying recreational drug taking, as often the case,
    at least in the UK, are not part of the REAL world?
    What is this 'Real world' you speak of, creating a 'pure habitat'. I havent
    seen that in the real world either.
    Again, because you see no reason for sprting achievement does that make it
    fact? No it doesnt, just like your other 'theories' you purport your ideas
    as truth, another fallacy.

    Quoted message said:

    .> .Or do you consider those people unworthy too? Do you consider Carl


    Lewis

    Quoted message said:

    .> .(who suffered many injuries during his career) as 'evolution at work'?
    .> .Or is it you consider women in sport as wrong?
    .>
    .> Being able to run fast is not that important for survival in most
    .societies.
    .> Maybe Kenya excepted....
    .Neither is a refridgerator, computer, gas and/or electrical applliances,
    .mains electricity, television, radio , the internet.
    .Yet you seem to be happy with these non essentials, why is it the things


    you

    Quoted message said:

    .find important are the only ones that humans should take note of. because
    .you cant see the point in sport, should no one else.
    .Ahh, I forget, your from the Synanon mindset, the sort who put poisenous
    .snakes in the letterboxes of those that disgaree with your closed view of
    .the world.
    .My way or no way, thats your motto. What a sad world that would be.

    Don't change the subject: evolution at work.

    I answered your statement, you do not need all those things to survive, yet
    you use them, but criticise others for , god forbid, finding enjoyment in
    life through non essentials. Hypocrite.
    Or is it just you wish to divert attention from your links with the Synanon
    cult, who beleive the only way is the way they see(sound familiar), and the
    violent way in which said cult responds to people who disagree with them?

    Quoted message said:

    .> .May I suggest any one of them has done more for this planet by the
    .example
    .> .they set than you will ever do should you live to be 120 sitting


    infront

    Quoted message said:

    .of
    .> .a PC spouting hate and lies.
    .>
    .> I agree, which is why I never do that.
    .
    .Really, Ive proven you a liar, you hate mountain bikes by your own words.

    Nope, mountain BIKING. Try telling the truth for a change.

    Really?
    You say that, yet you have often said (its in google groups, please dont
    deny it, ill only postreferences again to prove your lies) you dont hate
    mountain bikers, just mountain biking.
    Now , the only thing that seperates a moutain biker from mountain biking is
    a bike.
    So, its logical there its the bike part you hate, unless you are lying of
    course.

    Quoted message said:

    .seems that is exactly what you are doing.
    .Or are you going to direct me to view this 'pure habitat' you have


    created

    Quoted message said:

    .over the last 10 years...
    .Oh thats right, you havent actually done it have you.


    Still awaiting the response, you havent actually done anything have you?
    Would that be why you despise high achieving sportspeople? particularly
    women obviously from your attitude within this thread.
    An inferiority complex? It must sit nicely next to the persecution complex
    and gigantic ego. No wonder you get forgetful over what you typed, it seems
    quite crowded in that head of yours.

  14. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:07:11 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    .
    ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> crawled forth from his pit of utter
    .contempt long enough to spew forth
    .news:[email hidden]...
    .> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:34:44 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:

    .>
    .> .
    .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> cut and pasted some nonsense


    that

    Quoted message said:

    .> made
    .> .sense to him (probably only at time of posting though) in message
    .> .news:[email hidden]...
    .> .> August 21, 2005
    .> .>
    .> .> Blah, blah, blahh.
    .> .
    .> .And your point is? It's a sport, people get hurt, even track athletics
    .> mess
    .> .peoples bodies up eventually.
    .>
    .> Um, it's not a sign of SUCCESS!
    .>
    .>
    .And hanging around recreational outdoor type newsgroups spouting utter


    [censored]

    Quoted message said:

    .and generally annoying people is?. :-p

    Yes, when it's the TRUTH. And when it leads to closures of trails to


    bikes.
    Liar!
    Name one trail you have had closed purely as a result of posting within this
    group.
    Or indeed name one 'pur habitat' you have created.
    Actionless bigot, you do nothing but post here, you have achieved, in 10
    years, precisely nothing.

  15. Wow!, Vandeman is right for a change! It is evolution at work! Human beings
    pushing the limits of capability further and further and creating new
    boundaries of awareness and experience. Nothing was ever accomplished by
    staying within the lines of the status quo. You go, Tracy Mosely! Mike
    Vandeman says it is evolution at work. I'll have to agree with him on this
    one.

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    August 21, 2005

    Mountain Biking: Moseley moves mountains to conquer the world
    Downhill mountain biking is one of the most dangerous sports around, but
    that
    hasn't put off Tracy Moseley, who goes into today's penultimate round of
    the
    World Cup with victory in her sights, writes Rob Maul

  16. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:07:11 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    .
    ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> crawled forth from his pit of utter
    .contempt long enough to spew forth
    .news:[email hidden]...
    .> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:34:44 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    .>
    .> .
    .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> cut and pasted some nonsense
    that
    .> made
    .> .sense to him (probably only at time of posting though) in message
    .> .news:[email hidden]...
    .> .> August 21, 2005
    .> .>
    .> .> Blah, blah, blahh.
    .> .
    .> .And your point is? It's a sport, people get hurt, even track athletics
    .> mess
    .> .peoples bodies up eventually.
    .>
    .> Um, it's not a sign of SUCCESS!
    .>
    .>
    .And hanging around recreational outdoor type newsgroups spouting utter
    [censored]
    .and generally annoying people is?. :-p

    Yes, when it's the TRUTH. And when it leads to closures of trails to
    bikes.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    TRUTH! That's a good one coming from you Mikey boy, you wouldn't know the
    truth if it squeezed one off in your eye. You're a Liar, bigot, fascist and
    hippocrite and from what I've seen these may be your most likeable traits.

    APH

    :-p

  17. On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:54:32 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ..
    .."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ..news:[email hidden]...
    ..> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:07:11 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ..>
    ..> .
    ..> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> crawled forth from his pit of utter
    ..> .contempt long enough to spew forth
    ..> .news:[email hidden]...
    ..> .> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:34:44 GMT, "Andy H" <[email hidden]>
    ..> wrote:
    ..> .>
    ..> .> .
    ..> .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> cut and pasted some nonsense
    ..> that
    ..> .> made
    ..> .> .sense to him (probably only at time of posting though) in message
    ..> .> .news:[email hidden]...
    ..> .> .> August 21, 2005
    ..> .> .>
    ..> .> .> Blah, blah, blahh.
    ..> .> .
    ..> .> .And your point is? It's a sport, people get hurt, even track athletics
    ..> .> mess
    ..> .> .peoples bodies up eventually.
    ..> .>
    ..> .> Um, it's not a sign of SUCCESS!
    ..> .>
    ..> .>
    ..> .And hanging around recreational outdoor type newsgroups spouting utter
    ..> [censored]
    ..> .and generally annoying people is?. :-p
    ..>
    ..> Yes, when it's the TRUTH. And when it leads to closures of trails to
    ..> bikes.
    ..> ===
    ..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    ..> humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    ..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
    ..>
    ..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
    ..
    ..TRUTH! That's a good one coming from you Mikey boy, you wouldn't know the
    ..truth if it squeezed one off in your eye. You're a Liar, bigot, fascist and
    ..hippocrite and from what I've seen these may be your most likeable traits.
    ..
    ..APH
    ..
    ..:-p

    No one takes seriously what is said by someone afraid to use his real name.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  18. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> Crawled up from the cesspit just long
    enough to utter news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    No one takes seriously what is said by someone afraid to use his real
    name.

    LOL, that's getting to be a stock answer from you isn't it?

    APH

  19. * Andy H <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:


    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> Crawled up from the cesspit just long
    enough to utter news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    No one takes seriously what is said by someone afraid to use his real
    name.

    LOL, that's getting to be a stock answer from you isn't it?

    APH

    That's another one of the signs that he knows he's lost the arguement
    and has given up as usual. 🙂

    Jason

  20. Wow!, Vandeman is right for a change! It is evolution at work! Human beings
    pushing the limits of capability further and further and creating new
    boundaries of awareness and experience. Nothing was ever accomplished by
    staying within the lines of the status quo. You go, Tracy Mosely! Mike
    Vandeman says it is evolution at work. I'll have to agree with him on this
    one.

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    August 21, 2005

    Mountain Biking: Moseley moves mountains to conquer the world
    Downhill mountain biking is one of the most dangerous sports around, but
    that
    hasn't put off Tracy Moseley, who goes into today's penultimate round of
    the
    World Cup with victory in her sights, writes Rob Maul

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