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  1. Couple weeks back I crashed my road bike and broke the top most area of the body assembly on my 2003
    record 10 speed right ergo lever. Up where the guides for the housing and cables are. The shifter
    continued to work fine it just flopped around on the handlebars, so it required two hands to shift.
    One to hold the ergo lever and another to hit the desired hi or low shift lever.

    I decided to send it into qbp for the service since my spare time right now doesn't exist. So I get
    it back the other day after they replaced the body and the first thing I notice is the brake lever
    has a lot of side to side play. Ok great...annoyance but not critical.

    Bolt it on the bike and run the cables, go to shift from the high gear. Nothing, the lever goes
    through it's travel but no cable pull or click. Hit the low and high a couple times and it pops up.
    Ok now we are getting some where, well too fast though. It only stops at 8 gears including the low
    and high when going from low-high. So there's only like 5 or 6 actual gear clicks. I can see the
    ratchet skipping over a couple of the teeth on the gear by the low shift(to bigger cogs) lever. But
    when coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears. It also continues to have the
    same problem I described above in the high gear 50% of the time and can never get all the gears
    going up the cassette.

    Anyone else dealt w/ qbp and their campy service? Not a good first experience for myself.

    I've worked with half a dozen or so ergo levers in the past changing the # of speeds they can
    handle so I'm somewhat in the know on their dis-assembly and re-assembly, but diagnosing this
    problem has got me.

    Anyone have an idea on what could be the problem?

    BTW the shifters have never given me any issues in the past, and the crash seemed to only damage
    that very high part of the shifter and nothing around the shift mechanism. I'm not planning on
    sending this back to qbp or any other parts for servicing in the future.

    The sun has shown itself, I wana ride. Chris

  2. Well I took apart the back half of the shifter and isolated the problem to the coil spring/coil
    spring bushing was installed incorrectly. So I reinstalled that assembly and presto I have a fully
    functional shifter.

    Chris

    Chris said:

    Couple weeks back I crashed my road bike and broke the top most area of the body assembly on my
    2003 record 10 speed right ergo lever. Up where the guides for the housing and cables are. The
    shifter continued to work fine it just flopped around on the handlebars, so it required two hands
    to shift. One to hold the ergo lever and another to hit the desired hi or low shift lever.

    I decided to send it into qbp for the service since my spare time right now doesn't exist. So I
    get it back the other day after they replaced the body and the first thing I notice is the brake
    lever has a lot of side to side play. Ok great...annoyance but not critical.

    Bolt it on the bike and run the cables, go to shift from the high gear. Nothing, the lever goes
    through it's travel but no cable pull or click. Hit the low and high a couple times and it pops
    up. Ok now we are getting some where, well too fast though. It only stops at 8 gears including the
    low and high when going from low-high. So there's only like 5 or 6 actual gear clicks. I can see
    the ratchet skipping over a couple of the teeth on the gear by the low shift(to bigger cogs)
    lever. But when coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears. It also
    continues to have the same problem I described above in the high gear 50% of the time and can
    never get all the gears going up the cassette.

    Anyone else dealt w/ qbp and their campy service? Not a good first experience for myself.

    I've worked with half a dozen or so ergo levers in the past changing the # of speeds they can
    handle so I'm somewhat in the know on their dis-assembly and re-assembly, but diagnosing this
    problem has got me.

    Anyone have an idea on what could be the problem?

    BTW the shifters have never given me any issues in the past, and the crash seemed to only damage
    that very high part of the shifter and nothing around the shift mechanism. I'm not planning on
    sending this back to qbp or any other parts for servicing in the future.

    The sun has shown itself, I wana ride. Chris

  3. Chris said:

    Well I took apart the back half of the shifter and isolated the problem to the coil spring/coil
    spring bushing was installed incorrectly. So I reinstalled that assembly and presto I have a fully
    functional shifter.

    Chris

    I need to rebuild my right ergo. Was this hard to do? Or should I pay to have it done?

    Kenny Lee

  4. Chris said:

    Couple weeks back I crashed my road bike and broke the top most area of the body assembly on my
    2003 record 10 speed right ergo lever.


    -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    Bolt it on the bike and run the cables, go to shift from the high gear. Nothing, the lever goes
    through it's travel but no cable pull or click. Hit the low and high a couple times and it pops
    up. Ok now we are getting some where, well too fast though. It only stops at 8 gears including the
    low and high when going from low-high. So there's only like 5 or 6 actual gear clicks. I can see
    the ratchet skipping over a couple of the teeth on the gear by the low shift(to bigger cogs)
    lever. But when coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears. It also
    continues to have the same problem I described above in the high gear 50% of the time and can
    never get all the gears going up the cassette. Anyone else dealt w/ qbp and their campy service?
    Not a good first experience for myself. I've worked with half a dozen or so ergo levers in the
    past changing the # of speeds they can handle so I'm somewhat in the know on their dis-assembly
    and re-assembly, but diagnosing this problem has got me. Anyone have an idea on what could be the
    problem? BTW the shifters have never given me any issues in the past, and the crash seemed to only
    damage that very high part of the shifter and nothing around the shift mechanism. I'm not planning
    on sending this back to qbp or any other parts for servicing in the future. The sun has shown
    itself, I wana ride.

    Usually a cable problem exhibits exactly the opposite, missing shifts to high not low. Any reason
    you didn't open the lever?

    You wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    It only stops at 8 gears including the low and high when going from low-high.

    But then said:

    coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears.

    So i have to admit I don't know what's wrong. Maybe Fogel can lend some tips on composition. Or in
    film, they call it 'continuity'.
    --
    Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  5. I think it was not too hard. Although I have overhauled 6 or 8 before. I have the campy service
    videos which supplement the diagrams quite well. The overhaul goes pretty smooth when you have all
    your new pieces sitting there and just pop them in.

    Chris

    Kenny Lee said:
    Chris said:

    Well I took apart the back half of the shifter and isolated the problem to the coil spring/coil
    spring bushing was installed incorrectly. So I reinstalled that assembly and presto I have a
    fully functional shifter.

    Chris

    I need to rebuild my right ergo. Was this hard to do? Or should I pay to have it done?

    Kenny Lee

  6. A Muzi said:


    Usually a cable problem exhibits exactly the opposite, missing shifts to high not low. Any reason
    you didn't open the lever?

    You wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    It only stops at 8 gears including the low and high when going from low-high.


    The above should've said "it only stops in 8 gears including the low and high when going from
    high to low.

    Quoted message said:
    But then said:

    coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears.

    So i have to admit I don't know what's wrong. Maybe Fogel can lend some tips on composition. Or in
    film, they call it 'continuity'.

    So sorry, there's some evidence of my 'C' effort in English class. I did end up opening it up and
    now it works. See previous post.

  7. Kenny Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    Well I took apart the back half of the shifter and isolated the problem to the coil spring/coil
    spring bushing was installed incorrectly. So I reinstalled that assembly and presto I have a
    fully functional shifter.

    Chris

    I need to rebuild my right ergo. Was this hard to do? Or should I pay to have it done?

    Kenny Lee

    If you're reasonably mechanically adept and have at least average fine motor control you can do it.
    I did it and managed through persistence
    - others should have an easier time (search for my description of my experience rebuilding a pair of
    pointy ergos).

    App

  8. c anderson-<< I decided to send it into qbp for the service since my spare time right now doesn't
    exist. So I get it back the other day after they replaced the body and the first thing I notice is
    the brake lever has a lot of side to side play. >><BR><BR> << So there's only like 5 or 6 actual
    gear clicks. I can see the ratchet skipping over a couple of the teeth on the gear by the low
    shift(to bigger cogs) lever >><BR><BR>

    They gooned up the rebuild. I say the center thru bolt has slipped out of the shift disc flats. Plus
    sounds like when they took off the brake lever, they didn't replace the little bushings on either
    side of the brake lever.

    If ya send it to me, I'll fix it...

    Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kenny Lee said:
    Chris said:

    Well I took apart the back half of the shifter and isolated the problem to the coil spring/coil
    spring bushing was installed incorrectly. So I reinstalled that assembly and presto I have a
    fully functional shifter.

    Chris

    I need to rebuild my right ergo. Was this hard to do? Or should I pay to have it done?

    It can be challenging the first time through but not really complicated, the mechanism is pretty
    simple and I know people who have successfully overhauled an ergo lever with no instructions, just
    lay it out the way it came apart and put it back the same way.

    I didn't have the Campy instructions so I wrote up a procedure after overhauling my own. My
    instructions are not exactly the same as Campagnolo's but pretty close. The way I wound up the
    spring is probably harder than the factory recommended way but I didn't know at the time I wrote it.

    etext.orgergo overhaul.html

  10. A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    Couple weeks back I crashed my road bike and broke the top most area of the body assembly on my
    2003 record 10 speed right ergo lever.


    -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    Bolt it on the bike and run the cables, go to shift from the high gear. Nothing, the lever goes
    through it's travel but no cable pull or click. Hit the low and high a couple times and it pops
    up. Ok now we are getting some where, well too fast though. It only stops at 8 gears including
    the low and high when going from low-high. So there's only like 5 or 6 actual gear clicks. I can
    see the ratchet skipping over a couple of the teeth on the gear by the low shift(to bigger cogs)
    lever. But when coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears. It also
    continues to have the same problem I described above in the high gear 50% of the time and can
    never get all the gears going up the cassette. Anyone else dealt w/ qbp and their campy service?
    Not a good first experience for myself. I've worked with half a dozen or so ergo levers in the
    past changing the # of speeds they can handle so I'm somewhat in the know on their dis-assembly
    and re-assembly, but diagnosing this problem has got me. Anyone have an idea on what could be
    the problem? BTW the shifters have never given me any issues in the past, and the crash seemed
    to only damage that very high part of the shifter and nothing around the shift mechanism. I'm
    not planning on sending this back to qbp or any other parts for servicing in the future. The sun
    has shown itself, I wana ride.

    Usually a cable problem exhibits exactly the opposite, missing shifts to high not low. Any reason
    you didn't open the lever?

    You wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    It only stops at 8 gears including the low and high when going from low-high.

    But then said:

    coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears.

    So i have to admit I don't know what's wrong. Maybe Fogel can lend some tips on composition. Or in
    film, they call it 'continuity'.

    Dear Andrew,

    Concerning composition, we often fuss about restricting the apostrophe to signalling contraction
    (missin' letters) or non-pronoun possession (it's not used in my, mine, our, ours, your, yours, his,
    her, hers, their, or theirs).

    Using it just to warn that an "s" is a-comin' is frowned upon and "hits" a faintly off note in
    writing, just as wavering between "i" and "I" lingers on the brink of fingernails on blackboards to
    the over-sensitive.

    (Curiously, we sometimes use the period for missin' letters and call it abbreviation--Mr. W.
    Shakespeare in the U.K. comes to mind. But it ain't regular, as the D'Arbanvilles say.)

    Screw 'em, as Shakespeare might say--it reads fine aloud. Grammar, spelling, and punctuation matter
    about as much in this newsgroup as the paint job on the bicycle. We'd all like to have beautiful
    bikes, but we're far more interested in how they work, not how they look. Those who make the
    greatest fuss about the style of other people's posts often have the least to say and leave
    themselves wide open to far harsher literary criticism.

    But the topic was shifting up and down . . .

    When ascending (shifting upward), the skilled violinist generally uses the open strings.

    When descending (shifting downward), it is better to play the same note by fingering a lower string.

    Unfortunately, in the first of the seven traditional fingering positions, this means that the easily
    played open D string must instead be played as the same D note on the lower G string, so the fourth
    and weakest finger is stretched way the hell over, and then ya gotta push down on that monster-thick
    G-cable with yer pinkie, and the end of mine's mangled from when I dropped a rock on it as a kid.

    (A modest pause ensues to admire the contractive apostrophe cleverly tacked onto the normally apostrophe-
    free pronoun.)

    It wouldn't be so bad if that damned Yitzhak Perlman would stop sitting there with that relaxed,
    happy look on his face, as if he's just listening to music on headphones and finds what he's doing
    no more difficult than idly drumming his fingers.

    As for derailleurs not hitting the gears when shifting up, but hitting them when shifting down, I
    haven't a clue. I use friction down-tube shifters and seven rear cogs, so these modern technological
    fiascoes are beyond my experience. But if a damaged shifter refused to work, I'd replace it or have
    someone peer into its guts and replace the bad parts.

    There--that should be enough to illustrate how those who write most about style, grammar, spelling,
    and punctuation have the least to say about how our two-wheeled contraptions work.

    Digressively,

    Carl Fogel

  11. Chris said:

    I think it was not too hard. Although I have overhauled 6 or 8 before. I have the campy service
    videos which supplement the diagrams quite well. The overhaul goes pretty smooth when you have all
    your new pieces sitting there and just pop them in.

    I find it a physically difficult job.

    Does anyone know if the videos are available in Europe?

    ~PB

  12. I've got them on digital format, quicktime. I might be able to email them, but they are pretty
    hefty size.

    Chris

    Pete Biggs said:
    Chris said:

    I think it was not too hard. Although I have overhauled 6 or 8 before. I have the campy service
    videos which supplement the diagrams quite well. The overhaul goes pretty smooth when you have
    all your new pieces sitting there and just pop them in.

    I find it a physically difficult job.

    Does anyone know if the videos are available in Europe?

    ~PB

  13. Chris said:

    I've got them on digital format, quicktime. I might be able to email them, but they are pretty
    hefty size.

    Thanks Chris but I don't think my modem or computer will be up to handling that, unfortunately.

    ~PB

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    Couple weeks back I crashed my road bike and broke the top most area of the body assembly on my
    2003 record 10 speed right ergo lever.


    -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    Bolt it on the bike and run the cables, go to shift from the high gear. Nothing, the lever goes
    through it's travel but no cable pull or click. Hit the low and high a couple times and it pops
    up. Ok now we are getting some where, well too fast though. It only stops at 8 gears including
    the low and high when going from low-high. So there's only like 5 or 6 actual gear clicks. I can
    see the ratchet skipping over a couple of the teeth on the gear by the low shift(to bigger cogs)
    lever. But when coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears. It also
    continues to have the same problem I described above in the high gear 50% of the time and can
    never get all the gears going up the cassette. Anyone else dealt w/ qbp and their campy service?
    Not a good first exper


    -snip-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Usually a cable problem exhibits exactly the opposite, missing shifts to high not low. Any reason
    you didn't open the lever?

    You wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    It only stops at 8 gears including the low and high when going from low-high.

    But then said:

    coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears.

    So i have to admit I don't know what's wrong. Maybe Fogel can lend some tips on composition. Or in
    film, they call it 'continuity'.

    Carl Fogel said:

    Concerning composition, we often fuss about restricting the apostrophe


    -snip much about minor typo-

    Quoted message said:

    Digressively,

    Geez, I wouldn't harp about a typo. (This kettle is way too black for that) I meant the direct
    contradiction in his description.

    If it both: "doesn't shift well low to high" yet also: "shifts well low to high"

    I'm surely confused. That's why I mentioned "continuity".

    --
    Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  15. Chris said:

    I've got them on digital format, quicktime. I might be able to email them, but they are pretty
    hefty size.

    Chris


    Chris can you email me this video?

    Kenny Lee

  16. A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Chris wrote:
    >Couple weeks back I crashed my road bike and broke the top most area of the body assembly on my
    >2003 record 10 speed right ergo lever.


    -snip-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Bolt it on the bike and run the cables, go to shift from the high gear. Nothing, the lever goes
    >through it's travel but no cable pull or click. Hit the low and high a couple times and it pops
    >up. Ok now we are getting some where, well too fast though. It only stops at 8 gears including
    >the low and high when going from low-high. So there's only like 5 or 6 actual gear clicks. I
    >can see the ratchet skipping over a couple of the teeth on the gear by the low shift(to bigger
    >cogs) lever. But when coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears. It also
    >continues to have the same problem I described above in the high gear 50% of the time and can
    >never get all the gears going up the cassette. Anyone else dealt w/ qbp and their campy
    >service? Not a good first exper


    -snip-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Usually a cable problem exhibits exactly the opposite, missing shifts to high not low. Any
    reason you didn't open the lever?

    You wrote :
    >It only stops at 8 gears including the low and high when going from low-high.

    But then wrote:
    >coming back down from low to high it usually hit's all ten gears.

    So i have to admit I don't know what's wrong. Maybe Fogel can lend some tips on composition. Or
    in film, they call it 'continuity'.

    Carl Fogel said:

    Concerning composition, we often fuss about restricting the apostrophe


    -snip much about minor typo-

    Quoted message said:

    Digressively,

    Geez, I wouldn't harp about a typo. (This kettle is way too black for that) I meant the direct
    contradiction in his description.

    If it both: "doesn't shift well low to high" yet also: "shifts well low to high"

    I'm surely confused. That's why I mentioned "continuity".

    Dear Andrew,

    Oh, that--I just took Chris's description to be a bit confused and that he meant that his bike
    shifts well in one direction, hitting all the gears, but not in the other direction, missing a few.

    Going from low gear to high gear is going "up" in terms of speed, as in car gearing--low, second,
    third, fourth, high.

    But going from low gear to high gear is also going "down" in terms of the derailleur dragging the
    upper chain run downward and outward toward the smallest high-speed cog from the largest, low-speed,
    climbing cog. It's also "down" in terms of going from the 28 tooth rear cog to the 12 tooth.

    Running up the scale, you play the open string on a fiddle, but running down the scale, you use a
    finger on the next lower, thicker, and harder-to-reach string to play the same note--going up is
    different than going down, which was what I thought Chris's problem was.

    Carl Fogel

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