Enterosorbent

Once upon a time, our fellow Kristofer D. Dale rambled on
about "Re: Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Your stock cachinnation does nothing to alleviate your
complete lack of credibility, mon sewer... ;^]

Shows your complete lack of knowledge of my activity and
skills. 🙂

2004 has been a good year for me.

-Started issuing a formal weekly newsletter on the latest
prevention and healthy lifestyles research.

-Data mining has been extremely successful for me. 🙂

* How the mind hurts and heals the body. ncbi.nl-ncbi.nl-Open ↗
m.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_u-
ids=14736318&dopt=Abstract Am Psychol. 2004 Jan; 59(1):
29-40. PMID: 14736318

Full text of the article is available at: apa.or-apa.or-Open ↗
g/journals/amp/press_releases/january_2004/amp59129.pdf.

This is a FREE full text review of the last 100 years of
scientific research on the psychosocial factors of
health that was published in a peer-reviewed online
journal of the APA.

* John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Research Network on
Socioeconomic Status and Health
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Notice that is this is an educational domain!!!!

For those with a brain who can recognize the significance of
what they are looking out this URL is the top node of a
treasure trove of information on published research that is
*directly* applicable to the psychosocial reporting
objectives of both my web site and weekly newsletter.

*Hauptseite aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie
de.wikipedia.orgHauptseiteOpen ↗ **The German edition
of Wikipedia is a treasure trove of information on the
philosophy of alternative medicine.

*And, today, I just solved the mysteries of the Low-Carb /
Aktins Diet. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Yes, 2004 will be the year that I will accomplish my dream
of turning my web site into a treasure trove of scientific
information on the psychological factors that affect health.
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*Hauptseite aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie
de.wikipedia.orgHauptseiteOpen ↗ **The German
edition of Wikipedia is a treasure trove of information on
the philosophy of alternative medicine.

Just in case that you do not know. The Google toolbar for
your web browser offers transparent translation of the
German, as well as French and Spanish languages.

February 2004 statistics: 54,000 articles --As the next
biggest edition, the German edition is only one quarter the
size of the English version. --Makes the significance of the
following findings even more significant. -Coverage of the
de.wikipedia.orgWeltgesundheitsorganisationOpen ↗
Weltgesundheitsorganisation (World Health Organization) ,
de.wikipedia.orgGesundheitOpen ↗ Gesundheit (Health)
, and de.wikipedia.orgProphylaxeOpen ↗ Prophylaxe
(Prophylaxis) articles. -Informative rather than obscuring
--The significance of the information is clearly pointed
out. --Friendly and inviting tone to health and medical
articles. -Offers full coverage of preventive medicine and
comments on alternative treatment methods can be found in
the articles on conventional medicine.

--
216.239.39.104translate cOpen ↗
Risikomedizin (Risk medicine)
-- de.wikipedia.orgRisikofaktorOpen ↗
Risikofaktor (Modifiable Risk Factors)
-- de.wikipedia.orgVorsorgeprogrammOpen ↗ Vorsorgeprogramm
(Screening program)
-- de.wikipedia.orgVorsorgeuntersuchungOpen ↗ Früherkennung von
Krankheiten (Early recognition of diseases)
-- de.wikipedia.orgHygieneOpen ↗ Hygiene
-- de.wikipedia.orgOnkologieOpen ↗ Onkologie (the science of
cancer).
---Offers comments on alternative treatment methods of treating
cancer.
-Extensive coverage of the philosophy of Alternative medicine is
provided.
-- de.wikipedia.orgAlternativmedizinOpen ↗ Alternativmedizin
(Alternative medicine)
---Alternative medicine articles are *not* characterized by edit wars.
--
de.wikipedia.orgListe alternativmedizinischer BehandlungsmethodenOpen ↗
Liste alternativmedizinischer Behandlungsmethoden (List of alternative
medical mechanisms of action)
---including at least 13 articles on specific branches of alternative
medicine
-- de.wikipedia.orgKrankheitsmodellOpen ↗ Krankheitsmodell
(Disease model)
-- de.wikipedia.orgSchulmedizinOpen ↗ Schulmedizin (School of
medicine)
-- de.wikipedia.orgSpontanheilungOpen ↗ Spontanheilung
(Spontaneous healing)
-- de.wikipedia.orgBewegungsmangelOpen ↗ Bewegungsmangel (Lack
of exercise)
-- de.wikipedia.orgSelbsthilfegruppeOpen ↗ Selbsthilfegruppe
(Support groups)
-- de.wikipedia.orgHeilpraktikerOpen ↗ Heilpraktiker (Welfare
practical man)
--
John Gohde,
Feeling Great and Better than Ever!

Alternative medicine was yesterday's quackery, is today's
complementary medicine, and will be tomorrow's new branch of medicine.
tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.comglossary.htmlOpen ↗

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*Hauptseite aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie
de.wikipedia.orgHauptseiteOpen ↗ **The German
edition of Wikipedia is a treasure trove of information on
the philosophy of alternative medicine.

Just in case that you do not know. The Google toolbar for
your web browser offers transparent translation of the
German, as well as French and Spanish languages.

February 2004 statistics: 54,000 articles --As the next
biggest edition, the German edition is only one quarter the
size of the English version. --Makes the significance of the
following findings even more significant. -Coverage of the
de.wikipedia.orgWeltgesundheitsorganisationOpen ↗
Weltgesundheitsorganisation (World Health Organization) ,
de.wikipedia.orgGesundheitOpen ↗ Gesundheit (Health)
, and de.wikipedia.orgProphylaxeOpen ↗ Prophylaxe
(Prophylaxis) articles. -Informative rather than obscuring
--The significance of the information is clearly pointed
out. --Friendly and inviting tone to health and medical
articles. -Offers full coverage of preventive medicine and
comments on alternative treatment methods can be found in
the articles on conventional medicine.

--
216.239.39.104translate cOpen ↗
Risikomedizin (Risk medicine)
-- de.wikipedia.orgRisikofaktorOpen ↗
Risikofaktor (Modifiable Risk Factors)
-- de.wikipedia.orgVorsorgeprogrammOpen ↗ Vorsorgeprogramm
(Screening program)
-- de.wikipedia.orgVorsorgeuntersuchungOpen ↗ Früherkennung von
Krankheiten (Early recognition of diseases)
-- de.wikipedia.orgHygieneOpen ↗ Hygiene
-- de.wikipedia.orgOnkologieOpen ↗ Onkologie (the science of
cancer).
---Offers comments on alternative treatment methods of treating
cancer.
-Extensive coverage of the philosophy of Alternative medicine is
provided.
-- de.wikipedia.orgAlternativmedizinOpen ↗ Alternativmedizin
(Alternative medicine)
---Alternative medicine articles are *not* characterized by edit wars.
--
de.wikipedia.orgListe alternativmedizinischer BehandlungsmethodenOpen ↗
Liste alternativmedizinischer Behandlungsmethoden (List of alternative
medical mechanisms of action)
---including at least 13 articles on specific branches of alternative
medicine
-- de.wikipedia.orgKrankheitsmodellOpen ↗ Krankheitsmodell
(Disease model)
-- de.wikipedia.orgSchulmedizinOpen ↗ Schulmedizin (School of
medicine)
-- de.wikipedia.orgSpontanheilungOpen ↗ Spontanheilung
(Spontaneous healing)
-- de.wikipedia.orgBewegungsmangelOpen ↗ Bewegungsmangel (Lack
of exercise)
-- de.wikipedia.orgSelbsthilfegruppeOpen ↗ Selbsthilfegruppe
(Support groups)
-- de.wikipedia.orgHeilpraktikerOpen ↗ Heilpraktiker (Welfare
practical man)
--
John Gohde,
Feeling Great and Better than Ever!

Alternative medicine was yesterday's quackery, is today's
complementary medicine, and will be tomorrow's new branch of medicine.
tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.comglossary.htmlOpen ↗

Once upon a time, our fellow Kristofer D. Dale rambled on
about "Re: Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Your stock cachinnation does nothing to alleviate your
complete lack of credibility, mon sewer... ;^]

Obviously you are an illiterate, ignorant, Geek who has
never read:

Ivan Illich's _Limits to Medicine: Medical Nemesis, the
Expropriation of Health._ (1st edition 1976, second edition
1995)
bmj.bmjjournals.com923Open ↗
--
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Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

Get started on improving your personal health and fitness, today.
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:33:56 GMT, Tim Tyler <[email hidden]> posted:

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George W. Cherry
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quoted:

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Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons
(aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be useful when
fasting. What are you sopping up?

Fasting /seems/ like the best time to take them - but I
don't know if that issue has been studied.

Eating enterosorbents with food may not be the best
thing to do:

You put all the work into eating food - and then don't get
so much out of it - and the resulting nutrient profile may
be significantly distorted.

Perhaps a boon for those who want to do CR - and still eat
cream cakes, though - I suppose ;-)

Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat often
contains its share of fat-soluble toxins. As well as
helping these get excreted, there's probably still some
junk in your guts from before you started fasting to get
rid of as well.

So these adsorbants can extract things from the bloodstream?

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:39:46 GMT, "George W. Cherry"
<[email hidden]> posted:

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"Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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George W. Cherry
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quoted:

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"Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> Well - as you can probably imagine - it tastes
> like... charcoal.
>
> Give me bentonite any day - at least that only tastes
> like clay.

When I PubMed <enterosorbent AND betonite> I don't get
any abstracts.

<charcoal AND bentonite> produces 27 studies, though.

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How much bentonite do you take and when do you take it?

As much as I can easily manage (not much since it tastes
like clay...) ...and when I'm fasting.

Add some chocolate syrup. Oops, you're fasting.

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Carbon is probably better - if it is pure.

Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons
(aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be useful when
fasting. What are you sopping up?

Don't they sop up just about anything? Friend or foe?

John 'the Man' <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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Kristofer 'the Dirt Drinker' rambled on about "Re: Data
Mining (Re: Enterosorbent)." Our champion De-Medicalizing
in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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John 'the Man' <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Good health comes from eating real food, not from
drinking dirt.

Heh, DE (diatomaceous earth) is to dirt what Ghandi is to
"JOHN"... ;^]

earth (?rth) n. 1.a. The land surface of the world. b.
The softer, friable part of land; soil, especially
productive soil.

"Diatomaceous earth" is the fossilized shells of minuscule
organisms.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂
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"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:33:56 GMT, Tim Tyler
<[email hidden]> posted:

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George W. Cherry
<[email hidden]> wrote or
quoted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons
(aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be useful when
fasting. What are you sopping up?

Fasting /seems/ like the best time to take them - but I
don't know if that issue has been studied.

Eating enterosorbents with food may not be the best
thing to do:

You put all the work into eating food - and then don't
get so much out of it - and the resulting nutrient
profile may be significantly distorted.

Perhaps a boon for those who want to do CR - and still
eat cream cakes, though - I suppose ;-)

Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat often
contains its share of fat-soluble toxins. As well as
helping these get excreted, there's probably still some
junk in your guts from before you started fasting to get
rid of as well.

So these adsorbants can extract things from the
bloodstream?

No - the gut.

The liver can move things from the blood stream into the gut
- via the bile duct - though.
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Once upon a time, our fellow Tim Tyler rambled on about "Re:
Data Mining (Re: Enterosorbent)." Our champion De-
Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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"Diatomaceous earth" is the fossilized shells of minuscule
organisms.

I do NOT eat, nor drink the fossilized shells of minuscule
organisms.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:02 GMT, Tim Tyler <[email hidden]> posted:

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"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:33:56 GMT, Tim Tyler
<[email hidden]> posted:

Quoted message said:

George W. Cherry
<[email hidden]> wrote or
quoted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons
> (aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be useful
> when fasting. What are you sopping up?

Fasting /seems/ like the best time to take them - but I
don't know if that issue has been studied.

Eating enterosorbents with food may not be the best
thing to do:

You put all the work into eating food - and then don't
get so much out of it - and the resulting nutrient
profile may be significantly distorted.

Perhaps a boon for those who want to do CR - and still
eat cream cakes, though - I suppose ;-)

Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat
often contains its share of fat-soluble toxins. As well
as helping these get excreted, there's probably still
some junk in your guts from before you started fasting
to get rid of as well.

So these adsorbants can extract things from the
bloodstream?

No - the gut.

The liver can move things from the blood stream into the
gut - via the bile duct - though.

What sort of things?

"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:02 GMT, Tim Tyler
<[email hidden]> posted:

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"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:33:56 GMT, Tim Tyler
<[email hidden]> posted:

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>Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat
>often contains its share of fat-soluble toxins. As
>well as helping these get excreted, there's probably
>still some junk in your guts from before you started
>fasting to get rid of as well.

So these adsorbants can extract things from the
bloodstream?

No - the gut.

The liver can move things from the blood stream into the
gut - via the bile duct - though.

What sort of things?

E.g. bilirubin - and other waste products.

Some bilirubin breakdown products are reabsorbed and then
eliminated via the kidneys. It might be that enterosorbents
could prevent that from happening.
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:37:39 GMT, Tim Tyler <[email hidden]> posted:

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"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:02 GMT, Tim Tyler
<[email hidden]> posted:

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"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:33:56 GMT, Tim Tyler
> <[email hidden]> posted:

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> >Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat
> >often contains its share of fat-soluble toxins. As
> >well as helping these get excreted, there's probably
> >still some junk in your guts from before you started
> >fasting to get rid of as well.
>
> So these adsorbants can extract things from the
> bloodstream?

No - the gut.

The liver can move things from the blood stream into the
gut - via the bile duct - though.

What sort of things?

E.g. bilirubin - and other waste products.

Some bilirubin breakdown products are reabsorbed and then
eliminated via the kidneys.

Really? Are you sure of this?

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It might be that enterosorbents could prevent that from
happening.

If it in fact does happen.

But bilirubin is not an "(exo)toxin". This is just a normal
waste product. I want to know what you were referring to
when you said :

"Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat often
contains its share of fat-soluble toxins. As well as helping
these get excreted, there's probably still some junk in your
guts from before you started fasting to get rid of as well."

"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:37:39 GMT, Tim Tyler
<[email hidden]> posted:

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"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:02 GMT, Tim Tyler
<[email hidden]> posted:
>"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

[...]

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>> So these adsorbants can extract things from the
>> bloodstream?
>
>No - the gut.
>
>The liver can move things from the blood stream into
>the gut - via the bile duct - though.

What sort of things?

E.g. bilirubin - and other waste products.

Some bilirubin breakdown products are reabsorbed and then
eliminated via the kidneys.

Really? Are you sure of this?

Yes.

It is a common fate of many such compounds - e.g.:

``The liver is well known to metabolize and excrete into
bile many compounds and toxins, thus eliminating them
(usually) from the body. Examples can be found among both
endogenous molecules (steroid hormones, calcium) and
exogenous compounds (many antibiotics and metabolites of
drugs). A substantial number of these compounds are
reabsorbed in the small intestine and ultimately eliminated
by the kidney.''

- biology.about.combldigestliver4.hOpen ↗
tm

To name one of the bilirubin metabolites so excreted:

``After the excretion to the alimentary tract, the bilirubin
is reduced to colorless urobilinogen by intestinal
pathogens, followed by oxidation to colored urobilin
(stercobilin) which is excreted out of the body by the
alimentary tract. A part of urobilinogen is reabsorbed from
the alimentary tract and excreted out of the body by the way
of the kidney. Therefore, the detection of urinary bilirubin
and urobilinogen is of important significance in the
diagnosis of liver diseases.''

- health.seed.net.twbilirubin.htmOpen ↗

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But bilirubin is not an "(exo)toxin". This is just a
normal waste product. I want to know what you were
referring to when you said :

"Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat often
contains its share of fat-soluble toxins. As well as
helping these get excreted, there's probably still some
junk in your guts from before you started fasting to get
rid of as well."

As I said: fat-soluble toxins.

These include pesticides, fertilisers, heavy metals and
petrochemical products.
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John 'the Man said:

I do NOT eat, nor drink the fossilized shells of minuscule
organisms.

Explains a lot, for me anyway...

For the viewers at home, "ditomaceous earth" is a bit of a
misnomer, although "John" gets off on his irrelevant
comparison of "earth" and "dirt". Not all "DE" is alike,
either, and I want to make it clear to anyone interested
that the form I have been using for the past five years is
"amorphous", meaning that it is non-crystalline, and does
not present a health threat from silicosis that some types
of "DE" can. Although "John" would like to belittle this
practice becuase he resents the fact that I have repeatedly
and publically demonstrated what a thouroughly "chickenshit"
character he essentially is at heart, the fact remains that
igesting "dirt", not to be confused with "DE", usually in
the form of clay, has been a common practice in traditional
and alternative healing modalities for centuries (if not
millennia) as well. So, now that we have dispensed with yet
another one of "John"'s pet "theories" (AKA peeves), let us
move on, shall we? ;^]

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

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Once upon a time, our fellow Kristofer Robin rambled on
about "Re: Data Mining (Re: Enterosorbent)." Our champion
De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

Quoted message said:

For the viewers at home, "ditomaceous earth" is a bit of a
misnomer, although "John" gets off on his irrelevant
comparison of "earth" and "dirt". Not all "DE" is alike,
either, and I want to make it clear to anyone interested
that the form I have been using for the past five years is
"amorphous", meaning that it is non-crystalline, and does
not present a health threat from silicosis that some types
of "DE" can. Although "John" would like to belittle this
practice ...

You simply are not getting it, are you?

I neither eat nor drink dirt, or anything remotely
close to it!

How about Kitty Litter? Do you eat Kitty Litter, too, for
its health benefits?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
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Or, is it just a case of TOTALLY STUPID PEOPLE?
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