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  1. Has anyone here had experience with Polyphepan?

    POLYPHEPAN is an efficient ecologically benign enterosorbent prepared from the hydrolysis lignin.
    POLYPHEPAN is 5-10 times more potent in absorbability than activated charcoal, it stimulates the
    intestinal function, possesses antioxidative effect, increases the phagocytic activity of the reticulo-
    endothelial system. The presence of functional groups allows POLYPHEPAN to absorb and retain not
    only various types of microorganisms and the products of their vital activity, including toxins, but
    also cholesterol, bilirubin, lipids, bile acids, ureas, serotonin, histamin, and the products of
    mast cells. POLYPHEPAN can adsorb radioactive elements, heavy metal salts, nitrates and nitrites.
    POLYPHEPAN is non-toxic and completely evacuated from the intestinal. It is indicated to prolong
    treatment in the case when detoxication of the organism is needed. Besides, POLYPHEPAN can
    successfully be used while therapeutic fasting. The product can also be applied locally for the
    treatment of skin diseases and wounds.

  2. [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Once upon a time, our fellow George W.
    Cherry rambled on about "Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition
    retorts, thusly ...

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    Has anyone here had experience with Polyphepan?

    Has anyone ever heard of science-based quackery?

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

  3. George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone here had experience with Polyphepan?

    POLYPHEPAN is an efficient ecologically benign enterosorbent prepared from the hydrolysis lignin.
    POLYPHEPAN is 5-10 times more potent in absorbability than activated charcoal, it stimulates the
    intestinal function, possesses antioxidative effect, increases the phagocytic activity of the reticulo-
    endothelial system. The presence of functional groups allows POLYPHEPAN to absorb and retain not
    only various types of microorganisms and the products of their vital activity, including toxins,
    but also cholesterol, bilirubin, lipids, bile acids, ureas, serotonin, histamin, and the products
    of mast cells. POLYPHEPAN can adsorb radioactive elements, heavy metal salts, nitrates and
    nitrites. POLYPHEPAN is non-toxic and completely evacuated from the intestinal. It is indicated to
    prolong treatment in the case when detoxication of the organism is needed. Besides, POLYPHEPAN can
    successfully be used while therapeutic fasting. [...]

    - inchemistry.irk.rumedicinen.htm

    I wonder if it tastes any better than activated charcoal does...
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  4. "John 'the Man'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Once upon a time, our fellow George W.
    Cherry rambled on about "Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition
    retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone here had experience with Polyphepan?

    Has anyone ever heard of science-based quackery?

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Science-based quackery? That is an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

    All the best,

    Jeff

  5. [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Once upon a time, our fellow Jeff rambled on
    about "Re: Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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    Science-based quackery? That is an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

    Life-Extension is an example, Dim Wit!

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

  6. "Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or


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    Has anyone here had experience with Polyphepan?

    POLYPHEPAN is an efficient ecologically benign enterosorbent prepared


    from

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    the hydrolysis lignin. POLYPHEPAN is 5-10 times more potent in


    absorbability

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    than activated charcoal, it stimulates the intestinal function,


    possesses

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    antioxidative effect, increases the phagocytic activity of the reticulo-endothelial system. The
    presence of functional groups allows POLYPHEPAN to absorb and retain not only various types of
    microorganisms


    and

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    the products of their vital activity, including toxins, but also cholesterol, bilirubin, lipids,
    bile acids, ureas, serotonin, histamin,


    and

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    the products of mast cells. POLYPHEPAN can adsorb radioactive elements, heavy metal salts,
    nitrates and nitrites. POLYPHEPAN is non-toxic and completely evacuated from the intestinal. It
    is indicated to prolong treatment in the case when detoxication of the organism is needed.


    Besides,

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    POLYPHEPAN can successfully be used while therapeutic fasting. [...]

    - inchemistry.irk.rumedicinen.htm

    I wonder if it tastes any better than activated charcoal does...

    You've tasted it?! I've never tasted it because I take it in gelatin capsules.

    George W. Cherry

  7. [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Once upon a time, our fellow George W. Cherry
    rambled on about "Re: Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
    thusly ...

    Quoted message said:
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    I wonder if it tastes any better than activated charcoal does...

    You've tasted it?! I've never tasted it because I take it in gelatin capsules.

    Healthy people do not need to take activated charcoal.

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

  8. John 'the Man' <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Once upon a time, our fellow George W.
    Cherry rambled on about "Re: Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition
    retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if it tastes any better than activated charcoal does...

    You've tasted it?! I've never tasted it because I take it in gelatin capsules.

    Healthy people do not need to take activated charcoal.

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    No one is entirely healthy.

    Just thought you might want to know.

    --Hua Kul

  9. [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Once upon a time, our fellow Hua Kul rambled
    on about "Re: Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    No one is entirely healthy.

    "... you have my sympathies" Science Officer Ash to Ripley, in the movie ALIEN.

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    "Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [POLYPHEPAN]

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    - inchemistry.irk.rumedicinen.htm

    I wonder if it tastes any better than activated charcoal does...

    You've tasted it?! I've never tasted it because I take it in gelatin capsules.

    Well - as you can probably imagine - it tastes like... charcoal.

    Give me bentonite any day - at least that only tastes like clay.
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    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or


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    "Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [POLYPHEPAN]

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    - inchemistry.irk.rumedicinen.htm

    I wonder if it tastes any better than activated charcoal does...

    You've tasted it?! I've never tasted it because I take it in gelatin capsules.

    Well - as you can probably imagine - it tastes like... charcoal.

    Give me bentonite any day - at least that only tastes like clay.

    When I PubMed <enterosorbent AND betonite> I don't get any abstracts. How much bentonite do you take
    and when do you take it?

    George W. Cherry

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    Well - as you can probably imagine - it tastes like... charcoal.

    Give me bentonite any day - at least that only tastes like clay.

    When I PubMed <enterosorbent AND betonite> I don't get any abstracts.

    <charcoal AND bentonite> produces 27 studies, though.

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    How much bentonite do you take and when do you take it?

    As much as I can easily manage (not much since it tastes like clay...) ...and when I'm fasting.

    Carbon is probably better - if it is pure.
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    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or


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    "Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Well - as you can probably imagine - it tastes like... charcoal.

    Give me bentonite any day - at least that only tastes like clay.

    When I PubMed <enterosorbent AND betonite> I don't get any abstracts.

    <charcoal AND bentonite> produces 27 studies, though.

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    How much bentonite do you take and when do you take it?

    As much as I can easily manage (not much since it tastes like clay...) ...and when I'm fasting.

    Add some chocolate syrup. Oops, you're fasting.

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    Carbon is probably better - if it is pure.

    Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons (aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be
    useful when fasting. What are you sopping up?

    George

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    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or


    quoted:

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    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Well - as you can probably imagine - it tastes like... charcoal.

    Give me bentonite any day - at least that only tastes like clay.

    When I PubMed <enterosorbent AND betonite> I don't get any abstracts.

    <charcoal AND bentonite> produces 27 studies, though.

    <activated charcoal AND bentonite> produces 9 abstracts. One of them mentions the reduction of
    acidosis during fasting.

  15. George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

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    Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons (aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be
    useful when fasting. What are you sopping up?

    Fasting /seems/ like the best time to take them - but I don't know if that issue has been studied.

    Eating enterosorbents with food may not be the best thing to do:

    You put all the work into eating food - and then don't get so much out of it - and the resulting
    nutrient profile may be significantly distorted.

    Perhaps a boon for those who want to do CR - and still eat cream cakes, though - I suppose ;-)

    Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat often contains its share of fat-soluble toxins.
    As well as helping these get excreted, there's probably still some junk in your guts from before you
    started fasting to get rid of as well.
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  16. "Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or


    quoted:

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons (aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be
    useful when fasting. What are you sopping up?

    Fasting /seems/ like the best time to take them - but I don't know if that issue has been studied.

    Eating enterosorbents with food may not be the best thing to do:

    Right, I take carefully selected and expensive supplements which activated charcoal might absorb.
    I'm rather afraid to take (or not take!) activated charcoal with food. I think that from now on I'll
    take it only between meals.

    Quoted message said:

    You put all the work into eating food - and then don't get so much out of it - and the resulting
    nutrient profile may be significantly distorted.

    Perhaps a boon for those who want to do CR - and still eat cream cakes, though - I suppose ;-)

    It's certainly more elegant than "sham eating" (a practice which seems to have dropped out of
    these annals).

    Quoted message said:

    Fasting causes you to burn off fat - and animal fat often contains its share of fat-soluble
    toxins. As well as helping these get excreted, there's probably still some junk in your guts from
    before you started fasting to get rid of as well.

    I think that I'll take my activated charcoal in the middle of the night, when my bladder
    wakes me up.

    George

  17. George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

    Quoted message said:

    "Tim Tyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    George W. Cherry <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Interesting that substances used to sop up poisons (aflatoxins, paraquat, and the like) may be
    useful when fasting. What are you sopping up?

    Fasting /seems/ like the best time to take them - but I don't know if that issue has been
    studied.

    Eating enterosorbents with food may not be the best thing to do:

    Right, I take carefully selected and expensive supplements which activated charcoal might absorb.
    I'm rather afraid to take (or not take!) activated charcoal with food. I think that from now on
    I'll take it only between meals.

    If we assume it works as a sort of crypto-calorie restriction - by stopping elements from the food
    from being absorbed at well - then taking it far away from food might nullify any side effects - but
    is likely to equally nullify any benefits.

    I suspect this sort of explanation of its action is quite likely - but I don't think we
    know for sure.

    At some point there are elements ejected by the liver into the intestines that are intended for
    excretion - and probably are not a good idea to re-absorb - and bacterial flora can get a bit out of
    hand sometimes - and absorbing their effluent may not always be desirable.

    *If* you could *selectively* block absorbsion at those points then *that* might be a good idea - but
    I don't think charcoal from the top is likely to pull this trick off.

    Also, I worry about charcoal's purity and safety. I don't usually eat burned stuff - and even if it
    /is/ free of impurities, what if I eat too much - and those highly-reactive carbon atoms stick to
    *me* - and not to my food?

    By contrast, clay seems less likely to make it out of my digestive tract. If it /does/ get stuck to
    bits of me, it seems more likely to become unstuck again.

    Safety information for carbon says:

    ``Harmful if ingested in quantity - IVN-MUS LD50 440 mg/kg''

    - ptcl.chem.ox.ac.ukcarbon.html

    That might be a fair sized figure - but ten times bigger would be a little bit more reassuring.
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  18. Tim Tyler said:

    Give me bentonite any day - at least that only tastes like clay.

    I'll stick with my diatomaceous earth, it tastes like silica... ;^]

    --
    _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, vitaletherapeutics.orgvitaletherapeutics.org

  19. [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Once upon a time, our fellow Kristofer D. Dale
    rambled on about "Re: Enterosorbent." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
    thusly ...

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    I'll stick with my diatomaceous earth, it tastes like silica... ;^]

    --
    _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at
    large...

    Good to the last drop, I hear!

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    "... you have my sympathies" Science Officer Ash to Ripley, in the movie ALIEN.

  20. John 'the Man said:

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Your stock cachinnation does nothing to alleviate your
    complete lack of credibility, mon sewer... ;^]

    --
    _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
    _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, vitaletherapeutics.orgvitaletherapeutics.org

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