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  1. Quoted message said:

    Anyone here have a bicycle that they converted to
    electric use?

    If yes... how is it working out?

    I just added e-assist to my homebuilt cargo trike. After 2.5 years of
    pedaling the beast around it's nice to have some help up the hills when
    carrying a load, and to also get up to speed a bit quicker. I have a
    Wilderness Energy BL-36, built into a 20" (406) wheel.

    See:
    http://drumbent.blogspot.com/2006/07/cargo-trike-gets-some-help.html

    plus:
    http://drumbent.blogspot.com/2006/08/trike-adventures-in-burb-land.html

    Cheers,
    Mark

  2. Quoted message said:

    I just added e-assist to my homebuilt cargo trike. After 2.5 years of
    pedaling the beast around it's nice to have some help up the hills when
    carrying a load, and to also get up to speed a bit quicker. I have a
    Wilderness Energy BL-36, built into a 20" (406) wheel.

    Do you live car-less?

    Is the trike your only transportation?

  3. Quoted message said:


    Anyone here have a bicycle that they converted to
    electric use?

    If yes... how is it working out?

    I've done three and I am working on a fourth. They've all worked out
    in their own ways, but none of them have been so satisfactory as to
    keep me from wanting something more.

    My first conversion was a completely homemade affair using cheap
    electric scooter parts. It had good performance (cruise at 18-20mph
    with good climbing), mediocre range of roughly 10 miles in hilly
    Seattle, and iffy reliability (it threw its drive chain regularly).
    The bike weighed just under 80 lbs. On the plus side, it cost me just
    a little over $200 plus the bike.

    My second conversion was a Crystalyte brushless hub motor kit I bought
    directly from the manufacturer in China. I paid almost $600 for the
    kit, and I had to build my own wheel because I needed a special rim.
    Performance was comparable to my first conversion, but without the
    ability to coast freely because of magnetic drag in the hub.
    Reliability was good, and the bike weighed just over 100 lbs. The
    biggest change from my earlier electric bike was an increase in range
    to about 20 miles.

    My third conversion was a brushed hub motor system on a cruiser for my
    wife. It was slow (not more than 15 mph), with short range of about 8
    miles; but it was also cheap, simple, and easy to use for its intended
    purpose of neighborhood errands.

    The conversion I'm working on now is an upgrade of my second conversion
    (the brushless hub motor). I have increased the system voltage to 48V
    for more speed (up to 30mph), and I have switched to a stronger bike
    frame and moved the batteries to a trailer. It is no longer directly
    comparable to a normal bike.

    For a first/only conversion, I recommend a hub motor kit for its
    simplicity and adaptability to a range of bikes. Wilderness Energy
    offers inexpensive brushed hub motor kits ($190 to $350). There are
    more efficient hub motor kits of varying levels of sophistication, some
    using brushless motors. Heinzmann and BionX are the best and most
    expensive ones at $1000 to $1500; GoHub is a solid kit that doesn't
    require a lot of technical expertise or finish work to install and
    carries a modest price ($570).

    The Currie/USPD kit is another option (if you can find this
    out-of-production item), but it requires that you have a rear wheel
    built around the Currie hub, and it limits your choices of gearing
    somewhat.

    An easily available stock kit, in my experience, will not give you
    satisfactory performance if you do not wish to pedal. They are all
    intended as assist to the pedals and not as the bike's sole source of
    propulsion. There are choices available for an electric moped that
    will not be pedaled much, but they are more DIY than the package kits.

    Any electric bike conversion done on a modest budget will be heavy (40
    to 50 lbs. added to the bike is typical), so use a good sturdy bike to
    start with. Sealed lead-acid batteries are the baseline power source,
    and they will comprise most of the weight of your kit. Know where they
    will be mounted and whether that's acceptable to you before you buy a
    kit. For instance, most kits place the batteries on a rear rack; if
    you want to use your rear rack for other things, you'll have to figure
    out another place to put the batteries.

    You can have reasonable range, reasonable speed, or reasonable system
    weight, but not all three at the same time. If you play your cards
    right, you can have two out of the three. If you want to go more than
    20 miles at more than 20mph, you may have to live with a bike that
    weighs 100 lbs. or more. Having a clear idea about what speed and
    operating range you really need will help you find what you are looking
    for. You will make of the most of your purchase cost and system weight
    by buying only as much performance as you will actually use.

    Chalo Colina

  4. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just added e-assist to my homebuilt cargo trike. After 2.5 years of
    pedaling the beast around it's nice to have some help up the hills when
    carrying a load, and to also get up to speed a bit quicker. I have a
    Wilderness Energy BL-36, built into a 20" (406) wheel.

    Do you live car-less?

    Yes, I do.

    Quoted message said:

    Is the trike your only transportation?

    No, I have quite a few other bikes. Check out my website
    http://drumbent.com I've built a few cargo trailers as well.

    I make my living primarily as a musician (play drums, mainly), and have
    to haul my gear around. After getting rid of my last car in '99 I was
    able to get lifts from other band members, or borrow a car if need be.
    But I've always wanted some independence, so Kyoto was born. But after
    a long gig, or in the extreme heat (or both!) it can be quite tiring
    pedaling the beast up a hill or over a bridge. The e-assist has been a
    big help in alleviating that.

    I doubt I'd ever put assist on my other bikes, as I don't have a need
    for it. Of course getting older (47 now), or other changes in
    lifestyle might have me re-assess that.

    Mark

  5. Thanks for the info Chalo... but it seems to me that buying an electric
    "bike" already made is probably a better solution for most people. For
    $1200:
    http://www.egovehicles.com/Products/index.cfm?doc_id=122

    Or for more speed and range @ $2,000:
    http://www.electric-scooter-world.com/RoadTestEMaxSport.htm

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you live car-less?

    Yes, I do.

    Read abt this woman in Hawaii and give me your opinion

    http://tinyurl.com/n2onl

  7. Chalo said:

    You will make of the most of your purchase cost and system weight
    by buying only as much performance as you will actually use.

    Chalo Colina

    wow!

    great info!

    thanks!

  8. naybor has one. the extinct tiawanese battery pack/motor grafted into
    a trek frame.
    he's a mechanic. bike is reliable but uses bike components... light but
    not as reliable a scooter parts
    he also has a briggs and stratton bike

  9. I commute from Grapevine Texas to Addison Texas and back.
    After you do it a few hundred times it starts to be a drag though.
    Very little to none for variety in the routes one can use for it too.
    In the summer when the temps go over 94 degrees F, it makes it tough for two
    stretches of road, as you are facing the sun, no shade, usually a headwind
    of some kind, and a slight uphill road that makes it tough to not overheat
    yourself. You can't cool down easily. Thus it causes me to bog way down
    coming home in the heat of the day.
    But when it isn't hot it isn't a big deal to ride a bike over it all the
    time though.
    It was at first, but as I got stronger, it became less of an issue. :-)

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Earl Bollinger said:

    Now for me it is a problem, as I have to ride my commuter bike 23 miles
    one
    way to work.

    Wow that's quite a commute by bike!

    where do you live and commute to?

  10. Per [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Read abt this woman in Hawaii and give me your opinion

    http://tinyurl.com/n2onl

    Sounds to me like she's living one of my nightmares.

    Check back with her in about 20 years and see how things are....
    --
    PeteCresswell

  11. Ron Ruff said:

    Thanks for the info Chalo... but it seems to me that buying an electric
    "bike" already made is probably a better solution for most people. For
    $1200:
    http://www.egovehicles.com/Products/index.cfm?doc_id=122

    Or for more speed and range @ $2,000:
    http://www.electric-scooter-world.com/RoadTestEMaxSport.htm

    Those are electric, but they are not bicycles-- and in many locations
    won't have the same access and privileges as a bicycle.

    The Giant Lite would be my first choice for a turn-key electric assist
    bike and it costs $1300:

    http://electricvehiclesnw.com/main/lite.htm

    If I were on a tight budget, I'd definitely consider the Charger, which
    is still available from Easy Street Recumbents for only $700 (not much
    more than a decent motor kit alone):

    http://www.easystreetrecumbents.com/Charger.html

    Chalo

  12. Earl Bollinger said:

    I commute from Grapevine Texas to Addison Texas and back.

    wow

    That commute is right thru the heart of Dallas. Yes?

    Is it dangerous? Lots of traffic?

  13. Earl Bollinger said:

    I commute from Grapevine Texas to Addison Texas and back.
    After you do it a few hundred times it starts to be a drag though.

    why did you start doing this again?

  14. (PeteCresswell) said:

    Sounds to me like she's living one of my nightmares.

    why do you say that?

  15. Chalo said:

    Those are electric, but they are not bicycles-- and in many locations
    won't have the same access and privileges as a bicycle.

    Is that true? Is it necessary that it have pedals? Or is a speed
    limited to 20mph good enough?

    The Giant Lite and the Charger look like viable machines, but I
    question the practicality of cranks on an electric scooter. For it to
    have a decent range with electric power (batteries) it needs to be too
    heavy to pedal efficiently. This quote is from the Charger site:

    "Who would benefit most from this sort of bike?

    Either people who are not very strong or people who are trying to
    conserve their strength will get the most out of this bike, or any
    electric bike. Strong riders will mainly find this bike to be extra
    weight, and the parts are not designed to take an athletic pounding.
    The Charger is aimed primarily at smaller people who expect to put out
    only a modest amount of power."

    I suspect that these types of drivetrains (torque multiplying) are not
    as efficient as a pure electric drive... so that the rider's energy is
    mostly wasted.

    So why bother with human power at all? Add 50lbs of batteries to give
    it a good range, and ditch the pedals...

  16. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you live car-less?

    Yes, I do.

    Read abt this woman in Hawaii and give me your opinion

    http://tinyurl.com/n2onl

    Good for her. Doing things like growing much of one's food takes
    dedication and perserverance. Not an easy thing to do if one is leading
    a typical middle-class existence. There are people out there who think
    manual labour (outside of recreational stuff like gardening) is a sign
    of poverty, eccentricity, or both! Meanwhile, they drive to the gym to
    "stay fit". It would be interestng to hear why that other poster says
    it would be his nightmare to live like her...

    Every lifestyle requires compromises. You want / need a car? Well,
    studies have shown that one day out of a normal 5-day work week one
    goes to just paying for your motor vehicle (incl. insurance, gas,
    depreciation, repairs, etc.). It seems that most folks are willing to
    put up with that, since the car offers "freedom" (not to mention
    status, for some). I have talked to people who cannot conceive of not
    having a car, and they live in town! ('Burbs and rural living of course
    make it almost impossible to try.) Again, not owning one seems to
    infer poverty, eccentricity, or both.

    It's all about making choices on how you want to live your life, and
    how much you want to add to the environmental degradation inherent in
    the typical consumerist lifestyle.

    Mark

  17. No not quite through Dallas, but north of it in the huge metroplex here.
    Yes there is a lot of traffic, but it isn't that bad, plus you tend to get
    used to it.
    Before Hurricane Katrina there were more hostile motorists, but afterwards
    you seldom encounter a hostile motorist.
    My route is pretty good though, there is only about a 5 mile stretch on
    Beltline Road that sucks (50mph speed limt).
    The rest of the route is much better to ride a bike on.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Earl Bollinger said:

    I commute from Grapevine Texas to Addison Texas and back.

    wow

    That commute is right thru the heart of Dallas. Yes?

    Is it dangerous? Lots of traffic?

  18. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Earl Bollinger said:

    I commute from Grapevine Texas to Addison Texas and back.
    After you do it a few hundred times it starts to be a drag though.

    why did you start doing this again?

    Because I can do it.
    When I had first started riding, it seemed impossible, but as my strength
    improved and my distances increased more and more, suddenly one day I
    realized I could do it.
    But probably my main reason is more time with the family. I get more free
    time at home riding my bike to and from work.
    Basically, it takes about 1 hour to drive to work and 1 hour to drive home,
    sometimes more (traffic accidents blocking the riads) sometimes less (like
    hit all the stop lights on green for example). But I can ride a bike to and
    from work in 1.5 to 2 hours. So if I combine the long distance riding and
    commuting to work, I actually save time. :-)
    If I drive to work and it takes me 2 hours and then I go on a 3 hour bike
    ride that's 5 hours I am out and about, but if I do it all on a bicycle that
    is only three hours I am out.
    So I saved two hours of time just riding the bike. :-)
    Besides if I drive my truck now, it costs about $7.00 US in gasoline to
    drive one day to and from work That adds up to a lot of extra bike spending
    money over a year. Even I only do it like three times a week that is still a
    goodly amount of extra bike spending money.

  19. Earl Bollinger said:
    Quoted message said:

    why did you start doing this again?

    Because I can do it.
    When I had first started riding, it seemed impossible, but as my strength

    What kind of bicycle are you using?

    A touring bike?

  20. Quoted message said:


    It's all about making choices on how you want to live your life, and
    how much you want to add to the environmental degradation inherent in
    the typical consumerist lifestyle.

    Agree

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