Eddie B. conxn?

I forgot to add this:
" In 1984 U.S. Olympic cycling team coach Eddie Borysewicz set up a
back-alley clinic in a Los Angeles motel room. Four of the seven
athletes who doped won medals. America hadn't medaled in cycling since
1912. Doping worked."

http://www.cycnet.com/englishcorner/news/drug.htm

(CowPunk) said:

" Eddie has coached a number of top road and track cyclists, including
Lance Armstrong, Greg LeMond, Rebecca Twigg, Steve Hegg, Harvey Nitz,
and Andy Hamsten, to name a few."

Didn't Steve Hegg LOOSE his Olympic Gold medal for using steroids?

I never heard that.

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And weren't Andy and Greg on that team?

LeMond only rode for Eddie B when LeMond was young, on the US national
team and never for a trade team Eddie B was associated. LeMond was an
Olympian in 1980, I believe, but didn't race due to the boycott. I
don't think Hampsten was ever on an Olympic team.

JT

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(CowPunk) said:

" Eddie has coached a number of top road and track cyclists, including
Lance Armstrong, Greg LeMond, Rebecca Twigg, Steve Hegg, Harvey Nitz,
and Andy Hamsten, to name a few."

Didn't Steve Hegg LOOSE his Olympic Gold medal for using steroids?

I never heard that.

That's because it never happened. He was one of several who admitted blood
doping but, IIRC, it was not against the rules then.

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And weren't Andy and Greg on that team?

LeMond only rode for Eddie B when LeMond was young, on the US national
team and never for a trade team Eddie B was associated. LeMond was an
Olympian in 1980, I believe, but didn't race due to the boycott.

Exactly correct.

Mark

Mark Fennell said:

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(CowPunk) said:

" Eddie has coached a number of top road and track cyclists, including
Lance Armstrong, Greg LeMond, Rebecca Twigg, Steve Hegg, Harvey Nitz,
and Andy Hamsten, to name a few."

Didn't Steve Hegg LOOSE his Olympic Gold medal for using steroids?

I never heard that.

That's because it never happened. He was one of several who admitted blood
doping but, IIRC, it was not against the rules then.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And weren't Andy and Greg on that team?

LeMond only rode for Eddie B when LeMond was young, on the US national
team and never for a trade team Eddie B was associated. LeMond was an
Olympian in 1980, I believe, but didn't race due to the boycott.

Exactly correct.

Mar

Charmichael was a member of the '84 team though?

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

LeMond only rode for Eddie B when LeMond was young, on the US national
team and never for a trade team Eddie B was associated. LeMond was an
Olympian in 1980, I believe, but didn't race due to the boycott. I
don't think Hampsten was ever on an Olympic team.

In Eddie B's book there is a picture of a very young Andy Hampsten on an
indoor trainer at the Olympic Training Centre in Colorado c. 1982 (?) so
he was on the training programme at least.

Abe Oogerfart said:

Charmichael was a member of the '84 team though?

Not the Olympic team. Yes the national team.

Carmichael.

The Olympic team was Phinney, Kiefel, Rogers, Grewal, Twigg (blood
doping I think), Hegg (blood doping), Carpenter, Vails, Gorski and
maybe a couple others (perhaps Olavarri - who admited doping of her
own free will once retired -- and Knickman?).

JT

Stewart Fleming said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

LeMond only rode for Eddie B when LeMond was young, on the US national
team and never for a trade team Eddie B was associated. LeMond was an
Olympian in 1980, I believe, but didn't race due to the boycott. I
don't think Hampsten was ever on an Olympic team.

In Eddie B's book there is a picture of a very young Andy Hampsten on an
indoor trainer at the Olympic Training Centre in Colorado c. 1982 (?) so
he was on the training programme at least.

There are many dozens of cyclists who go through the OTC each year and
perhaps a dozen who live there. Hampsten was on the national team and
resident at the OTC sometimes.

JT

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Didn't Steve Hegg LOOSE his Olympic Gold medal for using steroids?

Absolutely not. However, his medal is tainted by the non participation
of Eastern Block countries.

Hegg tested positive for caffeine, preventing him from participating
in the 1988 Olympics. I think he deserves a Richard Virenque award
for drinking coffee from his ass.

-ilan

That would be Bugno, not [censored].

Mark VandenBerghe

"Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (CowPunk) wrote in message

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Didn't Steve Hegg LOOSE his Olympic Gold medal for using steroids?

Absolutely not. However, his medal is tainted by the non participation
of Eastern Block countries.

Hegg tested positive for caffeine, preventing him from participating
in the 1988 Olympics. I think he deserves a Richard Virenque award
for drinking coffee from his ass.

-ilan

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The Olympic team was Phinney, Kiefel, Rogers, Grewal, Twigg (blood
doping I think), Hegg (blood doping), Carpenter, Vails, Gorski and
maybe a couple others (perhaps Olavarri - who admited doping of her
own free will once retired -- and Knickman?).

JT

And 4 of them have admitted to blood doping in '84, plus Hegg tested
positive for an unnamed substance before the '88 olympics.

IMHO, I believe the Lemond - Eddie B. relationship is tighter than
you admit to though... from reading Lemonds book, and
being a user of his training methods for many years.

Anyway, I could care less if Armstrong and the whole USPS
team are using EPO...
EPO is not ruining the sport. That was done years ago when
we commercialized the olympics and decided to let pros
compete. Every amateur athlete in the country got screwed
so that networks could make a few extra bucks(billions of $$$)
from selling ad space.

A once obtainable goal for an aspiring junior or amateur athlete,
is now unobtainable without a) becoming a top pro, and b) using drugs.

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EPO is not ruining the sport. That was done years ago when
we commercialized the olympics and decided to let pros
compete. Every amateur athlete in the country got screwed
so that networks could make a few extra bucks(billions of $$$)
from selling ad space.

A once obtainable goal for an aspiring junior or amateur athlete,
is now unobtainable without a) becoming a top pro, and b) using drugs.

Try the track. Pro sponsorship is virtually non-existent there.

[email hidden] (CowPunk) wrote in message news

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EPO is not ruining the sport. That was done years ago when
we commercialized the olympics and decided to let pros
compete. Every amateur athlete in the country got screwed
so that networks could make a few extra bucks(billions of $$$)
from selling ad space.

A once obtainable goal for an aspiring junior or amateur athlete,
is now unobtainable without a) becoming a top pro, and b) using drugs.

You incorrectly blame the US for pros and drugs. They only responded
to the communists in Eastern Europe. That's where the responsibility
for the changes lay.

crit pro

John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news> The Olympic team was Phinney, Kiefel, Rogers, Grewal, Twigg (blood

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doping I think), Hegg (blood doping), Carpenter, Vails, Gorski and
maybe a couple others (perhaps Olavarri - who admited doping of her
own free will once retired -- and Knickman?).

JT

Was it blood doping or blood packing? IIRC, didn't some members of
the 84 olympic team receive transfusions of their own blood (or packed
cells)just prior to the games to boost the RBC count?
Jay

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You incorrectly blame the US for pros and drugs. They only responded
to the communists in Eastern Europe. That's where the responsibility
for the changes lay.

crit pro

I don't think so...
Have you forgotten the "dream team"? They had nothing
to do with competing against European pros, and everything
to do with making a few exra bucks for network tv. Once the
USOC saw the monetary benefits of sending pros(ie. advertising),
they jumped on the bandwagon.

(jjpsych) said:

John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news> The Olympic team was Phinney, Kiefel, Rogers, Grewal, Twigg (blood

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doping I think), Hegg (blood doping), Carpenter, Vails, Gorski and
maybe a couple others (perhaps Olavarri - who admited doping of her
own free will once retired -- and Knickman?).

JT

Was it blood doping or blood packing?

I don' t know the difference.

JT

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:45:56 -0600, Abe Oogerfart
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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Charmichael was a member of the '84 team though?

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Not the Olympic team. Yes the national team.

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Carmichael.

Quoted message said:

The Olympic team was Phinney, Kiefel, Rogers, Grewal, Twigg (blood
doping I think), Hegg (blood doping), Carpenter, Vails, Gorski and
maybe a couple others (perhaps Olavarri - who admited doping of her
own free will once retired -- and Knickman?).

A complete listing of US Olympic teams is here:
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/cvccbikers/uscf/olympic-teams-us.html

Carmichael made the '84 team as an alternate. He didn't ride.

Bob Schwartz
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Try the track. Pro sponsorship is virtually non-existent there.

Tracks are few and far between for most Americans.

Olivarri removed herself from the Oly team before the games when she
announced she had contracted hepatitis.

Never a word on how she contracted it though.

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Abe Oogerfart said:

Charmichael was a member of the '84 team though?

Not the Olympic team. Yes the national team.

Carmichael.

The Olympic team was Phinney, Kiefel, Rogers, Grewal, Twigg (blood
doping I think), Hegg (blood doping), Carpenter, Vails, Gorski and
maybe a couple others (perhaps Olavarri - who admited doping of her
own free will once retired -- and Knickman?).

JT

He was never selected for an Olympic team. I attended the OTC in 1979
but was never, or even close, to being on an Olympic Team. I remember
EddieB was always talking about red blood cell counts and the
performce benefits. Hmmm, guess he was serious as history shows (1984
Olympics).

BTW. Ernie as hew was known then, Hampsten was there too. He is a
very nice, highly intelligent person with exceptional social skills.
He introduced himself to me as we crawled through a fence and darted
across a busy road to get to a 7/11 to get a slurpee. Who would have
thought that they would sponsor a US pro team at the time.

Steve

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

LeMond only rode for Eddie B when LeMond was young, on the US national
team and never for a trade team Eddie B was associated. LeMond was an
Olympian in 1980, I believe, but didn't race due to the boycott. I
don't think Hampsten was ever on an Olympic team.

In Eddie B's book there is a picture of a very young Andy Hampsten on an
indoor trainer at the Olympic Training Centre in Colorado c. 1982 (?) so
he was on the training programme at least.