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Drivers: How can you love something you hate so much?

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  1. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think that's part of the problem with American drivers: for them
    driving is a chore. Perhaps driving better cars (stick shift, sport
    suspensions, etc) on demanding roads (autobahn conditions) would do
    the trick. Otherwise they should be riding the bus.

    A stick shift does nothing to make the commute to work even 1 little bit more
    fun. A stick shift with a DAMN BIG ENGINE might, but not just a stick. Put
    that stick behind a huge V8, and inside the chassis of a Corvette - now yer
    talkin. But, I prolly can't afford it, definitely don't want to try to afford
    it, and would much rather be able to ride to work, as long as I don't have to
    share space with anyone else I don't know, like you have to on a bus, train,
    airplane, etc., nor be subject to someone else's pinhead rules about not
    eating, drinking, playing the radio, etc. like on the Washington Metro subway,
    where they carry off 12 year old girls in handcuffs for having a french fry on
    the platform.

    That was probably because the fries were French... 😉

    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

  2. Quoted message said:

    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    Ummmmm . . . because (unfortunately) driving is the ONLY viable
    transportation option for 99.9% of people living in the U.S. It boils down
    to convenience, and all other forms of transportation are extremely
    INconvenient for many reasons. So inconvenient that they might as well not
    even exist, as far as transportation options go. There are a few rare
    exceptions. For example, if you happen to live and work in a large city,
    you might get by OK with using the subway and not even owning a car. But
    other than that, you pretty much have to own and use some kind of motorized
    transport (usually a car, truck or SUV) to facilitate ummm . . . LIFE. At
    least that's the way it is in the U.S.

    You might hate all the time you have to spend behind the wheel, but without
    driving, you are a jobless, homeless outcast on the fringes of U.S. society.
    That's because so few people can afford to live in the same area that their
    employer happens to conduct business. That is, unless you want to be a
    grocery bagger or retail sales droid. -Dave

  3. Dave C. said:
    Quoted message said:

    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    Ummmmm . . . because (unfortunately) driving is the ONLY viable
    transportation option for 99.9% of people living in the U.S. It boils
    down
    to convenience, and all other forms of transportation are extremely
    INconvenient for many reasons. So inconvenient that they might as well
    not
    even exist, as far as transportation options go. There are a few rare
    exceptions. For example, if you happen to live and work in a large city,
    you might get by OK with using the subway and not even owning a car. But
    other than that, you pretty much have to own and use some kind of
    motorized
    transport (usually a car, truck or SUV) to facilitate ummm . . . LIFE.
    At
    least that's the way it is in the U.S.

    You might hate all the time you have to spend behind the wheel, but
    without
    driving, you are a jobless, homeless outcast on the fringes of U.S.
    society.
    That's because so few people can afford to live in the same area that
    their
    employer happens to conduct business. That is, unless you want to be a
    grocery bagger or retail sales droid. -Dave


    Amen to that, Dave.
    I can't go to the grocery and put 5 or ten bags of food on the back of the
    bike.
    I can't go to the home improvement center and put a load of hardware on
    the bike.
    I can't load up a week of clothes and commute to the motel I work out of
    for the week, 150 miles away. Local work for me is 40-50 miles each way.
    I am an engineer and don't think I would like fast food work at McJob.
    No bike to work either way. Fortunately, I am 'temporarily' unemployed and
    get
    to ride every day. I like my 1966 Mopar muscle car (8 MPG, 440 big block,
    400 H.P.)
    for intimidating the Honda crowd, all noisy muffler, no go power. Once a
    month use.
    My normal use cars are wimpy 4 cylinder front wheel drive Japanese clones.
    Do I like driving a car? Not really but it serves a purpose and is great
    for
    stuffing the bike in the back and DRIVING to some of the more remote
    biking and hiking places that are more than 35 miles away. It is nice to
    have some
    energy to play when I get to the mountains instead of having to save
    35+ miles of
    energy to rade back home.
    Do people need cars? Damn straight, unless they enjoy living in an
    apartment and
    really don't have a life. If homeless you can't sleep in the back of a
    bike anyway.
    Bill Baka

    --
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  4. [email hidden] (DonQuijote1954) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    Americans are idiots. The media tells them cars are cool so they accept it.

  5. Laura Bush murdered her boy friend said:

    Americans are idiots. The media tells them cars are cool so they
    accept it.

    Some cars ARE cool.

    Hate-filled Usenetters are not.

    Bill "don't need no steenkin' media to see that" S.

  6. "DonQuijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    Its not so much the task of driving as it is where you are going and why
    you are going there. I love driving on open roads with little to
    moderate traffic and no particular destination in mind (or a destination
    that is 1000 miles away), but I hate driving in urban or suburban
    traffic especially when I'm on my way to work or doing some other chore.

  7. Problem here.
    This guy is cluttering up the net with cross posting all over the place.

    On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:09:45 -0400, Paul
    <UPS_SUCKS!@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com> wrote:
    rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles,alt.autos,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban
    This is the bicycle group,rec.bicycles.misc, not
    rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles,alt.autos,alt.planning.urban or any else.
    Bill Baka
    I'm bored today, as you can see by all the posting, since I am working on
    cleaning up my computer anyway, so time to debug the group a little.

    Quoted message said:


    "DonQuijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    Its not so much the task of driving as it is where you are going and why
    you are going there. I love driving on open roads with little to
    moderate traffic and no particular destination in mind (or a destination
    that is 1000 miles away), but I hate driving in urban or suburban
    traffic especially when I'm on my way to work or doing some other chore.

    --
    Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

  8. On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:09:45 -0400, "Paul"

    UPS_SUCKS!@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com said:


    "DonQuijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    Its not so much the task of driving as it is where you are going and why
    you are going there. I love driving on open roads with little to
    moderate traffic and no particular destination in mind (or a destination
    that is 1000 miles away), but I hate driving in urban or suburban
    traffic especially when I'm on my way to work or doing some other chore.


    I agree. If for some reason, like winter, I can't ride my bike to work
    I take the bus. It's easier and more relaxing.
    The bike invigorates me.
    The bus lets me relax.
    The car in traffic just annoys me.
    --
    Bob Mann
    Some people just don't know how to drive...
    I call these people "Everybody But Me,"

  9. DonQuijote1954 said:

    I don't understand if there are so many drivers in America for who
    driving is getting from point A to point B, and driving is a chore, to
    be palliated be eating, drinking, talking on the phone, why do you
    defend so stubbornly driving as your only option? HOW CAN YOU LOVE
    SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    The answer is simple, obvious and self-evident: The alternatives, where
    they exist, are worse.

  10. "Daniel J. Stern" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    DonQuijote1954 said:

    I don't understand if there are so many drivers in America for who
    driving is getting from point A to point B, and driving is a chore, to
    be palliated be eating, drinking, talking on the phone, why do you
    defend so stubbornly driving as your only option? HOW CAN YOU LOVE
    SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    The answer is simple, obvious and self-evident: The alternatives, where
    they exist, are worse.

    You're my hero. That's what I was trying to say. You summed it up nicely
    in one sentence. Way to go. -Dave

  11. Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:06:04 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>, "S o r n i"

    Quoted message said:

    Some cars ARE cool.

    The ones that have been shredded and recycled into patio furniture are
    cool. All the rest of 'em still stink.
    --
    zk

  12. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:06:04 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>, "S o r n i"

    Quoted message said:

    Some cars ARE cool.

    The ones that have been shredded and recycled into patio furniture are
    cool. All the rest of 'em still stink.

    My 928 smells real nice, mmmmm leather.

  13. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The ones that have been shredded and recycled into patio furniture are
    cool. All the rest of 'em still stink.

    The big push now is to get that very high pollution, people killing, diesel
    busses under control. Cars have reduced their pollution about three orders
    of magnitude in the last three decades.

    Some people realize that technology changes and they can't keep using the
    same cliché's forever. Maybe you should try to update your bigotry and
    hatred.

  14. "DonQuijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    There are also a lot of people that love to drive which is why people buy a
    lot of sports cars. I mainly ride a motorcycle which is enjoyable and I get
    to use the "motorcycle lanes" (white stripe between cars) to avoid a lot of
    congestion.

    Your attributing "eating, drinking, talking on the phone" to boredom shows a
    lack of what people are doing. Apparently you don't realize a lot of
    people like to be sociable or like to get more of their work done while
    driving.

    That is a major reason car companies think ITS will sell. It let people do
    what they want to do and do it safely.

  15. Zoot Katz said:

    Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:06:04 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>, "S o r n i"

    Quoted message said:

    Some cars ARE cool.

    The ones that have been shredded and recycled into patio furniture are
    cool. All the rest of 'em still stink.

    Zoot, if indeed you NEVER drive or ride in a car, then maybe you've earned
    the right to be a self-righteous assh--- er, jerk. Otherwise you're just a
    hypocrite.

    Bill "and a jerky one at that" S.

  16. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:06:04 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>, "S o r n i"

    Quoted message said:

    Some cars ARE cool.

    The ones that have been shredded and recycled into patio furniture are
    cool. All the rest of 'em still stink.

    You need to pull your head out of you ass. That is where the
    stink is coming from that you smell.

  17. Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:33:26 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>, "S o r n i"

    Quoted message said:

    Bill "and a jerky one at that" S.

    But not one crippled by any dependency on their private automobile
    since I don't own one yet easily get everywhere I usually need to go.

    Taxis stink too but I'll use one if I must. Same with an ambulance or
    pick-up truck. You still can't deny the fact of their reeking stench.

    I just happen to think that cars aren't cool compared to patio
    furniture. I also feel a so-called culture that worships its cars to
    the extent voiced in these x-posted messages is worthy of the most
    demeaning ridicule. They further expressed the spiteful brattiness
    drivers regularly exhibit in traffic.

    What's not cool is the destruction of civil society wrought by
    overwhelming reliance on private automobiles as a means to its own
    ends.
    --
    zk

  18. Daniel J. Stern said:
    DonQuijote1954 said:

    I don't understand if there are so many drivers in America for who
    driving is getting from point A to point B, and driving is a chore, to
    be palliated be eating, drinking, talking on the phone, why do you
    defend so stubbornly driving as your only option? HOW CAN YOU LOVE
    SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    The answer is simple, obvious and self-evident: The alternatives, where
    they exist, are worse.

    In Texas, this is true. But I relish taking public transportation when
    I visit Boston or San Francisco (there are probably similar cities that
    I haven't been to). If the alternatives didn't suck, fewer people would
    drive.

    Then again, there are a bunch of [censored] who just love their cars...

    Charles

    --
    Charles Soto - Austin, TX *** 1999 GSF1200S, DoD No. "uno"

    ("Meepmeep" is "rr," as in "roadrunner."😉

    Donate to John Kerry's presidential campaign:

    https://contribute.johnkerry.com/index.html?source_code=00018096

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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (DonQuijote1954) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    But going back to the subject: I don't understand if there are so many
    drivers in America for who driving is getting from point A to point B,
    and driving is a chore, to be palliated be eating, drinking, talking
    on the phone, why do you defend so stubbornly driving as your only
    option?

    HOW CAN YOU LOVE SOMETHING THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH? 🙁

    Americans are idiots. The media tells them cars are cool so they accept


    it.

    Well, some cars are cool, but our society is designed around the car. I live
    in a relatively small town, and I ride my bike for a lot of errands, but the
    traffic is scary. Florida is not really bike friendly, except for
    Gainesville. I couldn't see doing a week's grocery shopping with my bike,
    though.

  20. ..

    Quoted message said:


    Taxis stink too but I'll use one if I must. Same with an ambulance or
    pick-up truck. You still can't deny the fact of their reeking stench.

    I own a pick-up truck and don't think it smells bad, ever try taking a bath
    before you get into one? :<😉

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