Dip target muscle

fj said:

If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep), how do you adjust your form?

To focus on triceps do dips the normal way, with hands on the edge of
the bench and legs angled down to the floor some distance away and lower
and raise yourself up from the bench. No barbell is required.

If you want your dips to focus on pecs then lie down on the bench and
push a barbell up from your chest. We call those kind of dips bench
presses.

HTH

Delenn

fj said:

If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
how do you adjust your form?

The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
you place on triceps.

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

fj said:

If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
how do you adjust your form?

The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
you place on triceps.

you are not talking about bench press, are you?

fj said:

JMW said:

fj said:

If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
how do you adjust your form?

The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
you place on triceps.

you are not talking about bench press, are you?

Why would I be talking about bench press?
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

fj said:

JMW said:

fj wrote:
> If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
> how do you adjust your form?

The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
you place on triceps.

you are not talking about bench press, are you?

Why would I be talking about bench press?

Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing to
do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
possible is pretty normal.

You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
aren't you?

David

fj said:

If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep), how do you adjust your form?

No matter what you do, you will involve the pecs and anterior delts to
a large degree. You can put the majority of the emphasis on the
triceps by keeping as upright as possible while dipping and keeping
the elbows closer to your body. You'll also wind up putting a ton of
stress on your anterior delts this way, but there is no way around it.
If you want to do dips more so as a pec exercise lean forward while
dipping and let the elbows flare out more, almost like a decline
press. Some gyms have a v-shaped dipping bar. If your's does the
wider your grip is the more you'll hit the pecs and vice versa for the
triceps.

Plenty of "dips" here, and they mainly concentrate on peckers.

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

fj said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>fj wrote:
>
>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>how do you adjust your form?
>
>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>you place on triceps.

you are not talking about bench press, are you?

Why would I be talking about bench press?

Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing to
do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
possible is pretty normal.

You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
aren't you?

David

Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Delenn

Delenn said:

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>fj wrote:
>>
>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>
>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>you place on triceps.
>
>you are not talking about bench press, are you?

Why would I be talking about bench press?

Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing to
do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
possible is pretty normal.

You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
aren't you?

Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

JMW said:

Delenn said:

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>fj wrote:
>>>
>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>
>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>>you place on triceps.
>>
>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>
>Why would I be talking about bench press?

Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing to
do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
possible is pretty normal.

You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
aren't you?

Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

Exactly. As long as she knows what she's getting into. Border Collie's
are highly active working dogs that want...NEED...a job to do. Herding
sheep, competing in flyball, or agility, or doing lots of hiking,
or...whatever. A bored Border Collie is an ugly concept.

David
---
When I die, if there are no dogs inheaven, I want to go where they
went.

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Delenn said:

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>fj wrote:
>>>
>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>
>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>>you place on triceps.
>>
>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>
>Why would I be talking about bench press?

Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing
to
do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
possible is pretty normal.

You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
aren't you?

Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

I agree. They are not dogs that can just sit around the house all day. But
if they are active enough (entertained enough?), they are fine.

I remember years ago a friend who got a young border collie and was bringing
it home. He thought the dog needed to releive himself, so he let him out at
a park. It had baseball fields at the park with little league games going
on. And the herding instinct kicked in. This half grown bordie collie went
into a herding frenzy and herded all the kids on the field into the baseball
backstop.

The kids were upset and scared. The parents were furious. And since he just
got the dog, he had no real infuence over him. When the dog got everybody
packed against the backstop, he dashed in there, scooped up the dog and ran
back to his truck with several angry parents chasing him.

That dog had a leash on him everytime in public after that.

Not to discourage you or anything. 😉

David Cohen said:

JMW said:

Delenn said:

David Cohen wrote:
> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>fj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>>
>>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>>>you place on triceps.
>>>
>>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>>
>>Why would I be talking about bench press?
>
>
> Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing to
> do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
> possible is pretty normal.
>
> You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
> aren't you?

Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

Exactly. As long as she knows what she's getting into. Border Collie's
are highly active working dogs that want...NEED...a job to do. Herding
sheep, competing in flyball, or agility, or doing lots of hiking,
or...whatever. A bored Border Collie is an ugly concept.

I grew up with a border collie. She was a great dog. Smart, too.
Actually, too smart. She figured out how to open door knobs with her
teeth.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

JMW said:

David Cohen said:

JMW said:

Delenn <[email hidden]> wrote:
>David Cohen wrote:
>> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>fj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>>>
>>>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>>>>you place on triceps.
>>>>
>>>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>>>
>>>Why would I be talking about bench press?
>>
>>
>> Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing to
>> do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
>> possible is pretty normal.
>>
>> You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
>> aren't you?
>
>Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
>puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

Exactly. As long as she knows what she's getting into. Border Collie's
are highly active working dogs that want...NEED...a job to do. Herding
sheep, competing in flyball, or agility, or doing lots of hiking,
or...whatever. A bored Border Collie is an ugly concept.

I grew up with a border collie. She was a great dog. Smart, too.
Actually, too smart. She figured out how to open door knobs with her
teeth.

We now must consider the issue: is a Border Collie too smart for our
liberal Massechesetts name-changing prospective owner?

David

Lee Michaels said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Delenn said:

David Cohen wrote:

>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
>>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>fj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>>
>>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>>>you place on triceps.
>>>
>>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>>
>>Why would I be talking about bench press?
>
>
>Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing
>to
>do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
>possible is pretty normal.
>
>You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
>aren't you?

Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

I agree. They are not dogs that can just sit around the house all day. But
if they are active enough (entertained enough?), they are fine.

I remember years ago a friend who got a young border collie and was bringing
it home. He thought the dog needed to releive himself, so he let him out at
a park. It had baseball fields at the park with little league games going
on. And the herding instinct kicked in. This half grown bordie collie went
into a herding frenzy and herded all the kids on the field into the baseball
backstop.

The kids were upset and scared. The parents were furious. And since he just
got the dog, he had no real infuence over him. When the dog got everybody
packed against the backstop, he dashed in there, scooped up the dog and ran
back to his truck with several angry parents chasing him.

That dog had a leash on him everytime in public after that.

Not to discourage you or anything. 😉

I know about them. My sister has border collies. It happened slowly,
but eventually the madness grew. First there were two of them and they
were trained for herding competitions. Then they got two more and they
also won competitions and then two more because, heck, why not.

Along the way they had to buy their dogs a flock of sheep, and
eventually some outside guard dogs to keep the coyotes away... yes, her
dogs have dogs. And they got a specially equipped travel trailer for
going to border collie competitions, and started doing Border Collie
rescue, and tiled their entire house, and now they've got a litter of
puppies (included in that 15 count).

I'm worried about the activity level. I'm home and available to take
him for a short run at lunchtime. I've also got two boys who have
signed up to do morning and afternoon walks. We've got tennis balls and
wooded trails for running on, but we honestly don't take Ela (our Lab)
out running more than once or twice a week - a lot of our exercise is at
the gym or on bikes. I'm working as an accountant, not a forest ranger.
And we don't have a herd of sheep. Can an active family of five in a
suburban environment HAVE a border collie? I'd rate us as better than
average dog owners, but border collies are sort of the big league in
terms of need.

Delenn

"Delenn" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I know about them. My sister has border collies. It happened slowly, but
eventually the madness grew. First there were two of them and they were
trained for herding competitions. Then they got two more and they also
won competitions and then two more because, heck, why not.

Along the way they had to buy their dogs a flock of sheep, and eventually
some outside guard dogs to keep the coyotes away... yes, her dogs have
dogs. And they got a specially equipped travel trailer for going to
border collie competitions, and started doing Border Collie rescue, and
tiled their entire house, and now they've got a litter of puppies
(included in that 15 count).

I'm worried about the activity level. I'm home and available to take him
for a short run at lunchtime. I've also got two boys who have signed up
to do morning and afternoon walks. We've got tennis balls and wooded
trails for running on, but we honestly don't take Ela (our Lab) out
running more than once or twice a week - a lot of our exercise is at the
gym or on bikes. I'm working as an accountant, not a forest ranger. And
we don't have a herd of sheep. Can an active family of five in a suburban
environment HAVE a border collie? I'd rate us as better than average dog
owners, but border collies are sort of the big league in terms of need.

Delenn, you have not approached this from a modern technological
perspective. You should invest in high tech satellite transmission
equipment and outfit your self with the latest portable computers. Then you
can do your accountant work and run with the dog at the same time. And your
clients would love it!

You would be the ultimate power momma!

HTH

Delenn said:

Lee Michaels said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Delenn <[email hidden]> wrote:

>David Cohen wrote:
>
>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>
>>>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>fj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>>>
>>>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>>>>you place on triceps.
>>>>
>>>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>>>
>>>Why would I be talking about bench press?
>>
>>
>>Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing
>>to
>>do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
>>possible is pretty normal.
>>
>>You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
>>aren't you?
>
>Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
>puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

I agree. They are not dogs that can just sit around the house all day. But
if they are active enough (entertained enough?), they are fine.

I remember years ago a friend who got a young border collie and was bringing
it home. He thought the dog needed to releive himself, so he let him out at
a park. It had baseball fields at the park with little league games going
on. And the herding instinct kicked in. This half grown bordie collie went
into a herding frenzy and herded all the kids on the field into the baseball
backstop.

The kids were upset and scared. The parents were furious. And since he just
got the dog, he had no real infuence over him. When the dog got everybody
packed against the backstop, he dashed in there, scooped up the dog and ran
back to his truck with several angry parents chasing him.

That dog had a leash on him everytime in public after that.

Not to discourage you or anything. 😉

I know about them. My sister has border collies. It happened slowly,
but eventually the madness grew. First there were two of them and they
were trained for herding competitions. Then they got two more and they
also won competitions and then two more because, heck, why not.

Along the way they had to buy their dogs a flock of sheep, and
eventually some outside guard dogs to keep the coyotes away... yes, her
dogs have dogs. And they got a specially equipped travel trailer for
going to border collie competitions, and started doing Border Collie
rescue, and tiled their entire house, and now they've got a litter of
puppies (included in that 15 count).

I'm worried about the activity level. I'm home and available to take
him for a short run at lunchtime. I've also got two boys who have
signed up to do morning and afternoon walks.

NEVER get a dog assuming the kids will have anything to do with it.
Anything you get from the kids, or the husband, is a bonus. It's unfair
to the dog to assume otherwise. Get the dog for YOU.

Quoted message said:

We've got tennis balls and
wooded trails for running on, but we honestly don't take Ela (our Lab)
out running more than once or twice a week - a lot of our exercise is at
the gym or on bikes. I'm working as an accountant, not a forest ranger.
And we don't have a herd of sheep. Can an active family of five in a
suburban environment HAVE a border collie?

Sure, if "active" is stuff the dog can do, too. If "active" is the gym,
the Marxist Bridge Club, the Swinging Oldies Wife Swap Get Together,
and an occasional walk in the woods, no.

Quoted message said:

I'd rate us as better than
average dog owners, but border collies are sort of the big league in
terms of need.

So, get some other breed. A Liberal Left Wing East Coast Foo Foo dog.
Something French. A Petite Basset Griffon Vendeen, maybe.

David

David Cohen said:

Delenn said:

Lee Michaels said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Delenn <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
>>puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.
>
>Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
>kept busy, though.

I agree. They are not dogs that can just sit around the house all day. But
if they are active enough (entertained enough?), they are fine.

I remember years ago a friend who got a young border collie and was bringing
it home. He thought the dog needed to releive himself, so he let him out at
a park. It had baseball fields at the park with little league games going
on. And the herding instinct kicked in. This half grown bordie collie went
into a herding frenzy and herded all the kids on the field into the baseball
backstop.

The kids were upset and scared. The parents were furious. And since he just
got the dog, he had no real infuence over him. When the dog got everybody
packed against the backstop, he dashed in there, scooped up the dog and ran
back to his truck with several angry parents chasing him.

That dog had a leash on him everytime in public after that.

Not to discourage you or anything. 😉

I know about them. My sister has border collies. It happened slowly,
but eventually the madness grew. First there were two of them and they
were trained for herding competitions. Then they got two more and they
also won competitions and then two more because, heck, why not.

Along the way they had to buy their dogs a flock of sheep, and
eventually some outside guard dogs to keep the coyotes away... yes, her
dogs have dogs. And they got a specially equipped travel trailer for
going to border collie competitions, and started doing Border Collie
rescue, and tiled their entire house, and now they've got a litter of
puppies (included in that 15 count).

I'm worried about the activity level. I'm home and available to take
him for a short run at lunchtime. I've also got two boys who have
signed up to do morning and afternoon walks.

NEVER get a dog assuming the kids will have anything to do with it.
Anything you get from the kids, or the husband, is a bonus. It's unfair
to the dog to assume otherwise. Get the dog for YOU.

Quoted message said:

We've got tennis balls and
wooded trails for running on, but we honestly don't take Ela (our Lab)
out running more than once or twice a week - a lot of our exercise is at
the gym or on bikes. I'm working as an accountant, not a forest ranger.
And we don't have a herd of sheep. Can an active family of five in a
suburban environment HAVE a border collie?

Sure, if "active" is stuff the dog can do, too. If "active" is the gym,
the Marxist Bridge Club, the Swinging Oldies Wife Swap Get Together,
and an occasional walk in the woods, no.

Border collies don't need a huge range. But they like to have a yard
to patrol.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Delenn said:

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>fj wrote:
>>>
>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>
>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you emphasis
>>>you place on triceps.
>>
>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>
>Why would I be talking about bench press?

Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely nothing
to
do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
possible is pretty normal.

You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
aren't you?

Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

That's the understatement of the century. ;-)
We adopted an older border collie from the shelter a couple of years ago.
Never EVER stands still and is better at killing squirrels than a cat!

Fastest dog I've ever seen.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

David Cohen said:

JMW said:

Delenn <[email hidden]> wrote:
>David Cohen wrote:
>> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>fj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep),
>>>>>>how do you adjust your form?
>>>>>
>>>>>The more forward you lean, or the more you flex your spine, the more
>>>>>emphasis you place on your pectoral muscles, and the less you
>>>>>emphasis
>>>>>you place on triceps.
>>>>
>>>>you are not talking about bench press, are you?
>>>
>>>Why would I be talking about bench press?
>>
>>
>> Because the subject is "dip target muscle", which has absolutely
>> nothing to
>> do with bench press, so, this being MFW, getting as far off topic as
>> possible is pretty normal.
>>
>> You ARE talking about lesbian powerlifting gun-toting dogs doing dips,
>> aren't you?
>
>Speaking of which, we've been contemplating getting a border collie
>puppy. We know we ought not to. Talk me out of it, please.

Why? They're great dogs, very eager to please. They do like to be
kept busy, though.

Exactly. As long as she knows what she's getting into. Border Collie's
are highly active working dogs that want...NEED...a job to do. Herding
sheep, competing in flyball, or agility, or doing lots of hiking,
or...whatever. A bored Border Collie is an ugly concept.

I grew up with a border collie. She was a great dog. Smart, too.
Actually, too smart. She figured out how to open door knobs with her
teeth.

If you are not sure what dog to get, read this. ;-)

How many dogs does it take to change a light bulb?

Border Collie: Just one. Then I'll replace any wiring that's not up to
code.

Rottweiler: Make me!

Lab: Oh, me, me! Pleeease let me change the light bulb! Can I? Huh? Huh?

Dachshund: You know I can't reach that stupid lamp!

Malamute: Let the Border Collie do it. You can feed me while he's busy.

Jack Russell Terrier: I'll just pop it in while I'm bouncing off the
walls.

Greyhound: It isn't moving. Who cares?

Cocker Spaniel: Why change it? I can still pee on the carpet in the dark.

Mastiff: Screw it yourself! I'm not afraid of the dark...

Doberman: While it's out, I'll just take a nap on the couch.

Boxer: Who needs light? I can still play with my squeaky toys in the
dark.

Pointer: I see it, there it is, there it is, right there!

Chihuahua: Yo quiero Taco Bulb?

Australian Shepherd: First, I'll put all the light bulbs in a little
circle...

Old English Sheep dog: Light bulb? That thing I just ate was a light
bulb?

Basset Hound: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Westie: Dogs do not change light bulbs -- people change light bulbs.
I am not one of THEM so the question is, how long before I can expect my
light again?

Poodle: I'll just blow in the Border Collie's ear and he'll do it.
By the time he finishes rewiring the house, my nails will be dry.

Golden Retriever: The sun is shining, the day is young, we've got our
whole lives ahead of us,
and you're inside worrying about a stupid burned-out bulb?

Personally, I adore my border collie! I'm just glad I have a very large
fenced yard. ;-)

First dog I've ever had that I had to buy a regular supply of squeeky
toyes for........
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson