Cyclists vs. runners???

Rick Onanian said:

Badger South said:

I've come to the conclusion, just today, as a matter of fact, that Pedestrians are just retarded.

I rode up to 4 adults and 2 kids and 2 unleashed dogs, all totally blocking the trail, and from
300 feet away, they all saw me coming, I yelled 'bike' every 50 feet, which I don't normally have
to with people facing me, and at 50 feet they were still all playing 'Red Rover', just stupidly
watching me, no body moving an inch. I guess they expected me to jump over them. I finally had to
come to a dead stop while -they- walked around me, grumbling.

I seem to remember this from high school; as I scurried down the hall, trying to actually make it
from one corner of the school to the diagonally opposite corner without being late for class, I
would come upon cluster after cluster of people walking next to eachother very slowly.

In fact, I still find such people in stores and nearly any other indoor semi-public place. They
walk [3|5|7|10] abreast leaving no room for somebody coming the other way.

Same phenomenon occurs in Las Vegas casinos (although I'm not sure WHY I'm always in a hurry to lose
more money 🙂 .

Bill "long overdue for an abuse trip" S.

Rick Onanian said:

... In fact, I still find such people in stores and nearly any other indoor semi-public place.
They walk [3|5|7|10] abreast leaving no room for somebody coming the other way.

Groups of cyclists will do this also. It is really annoying when they leave no room to pass on a
narrow road, and I am forced to ride my brakes the whole way down behind them.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities

"Mark Heiple" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Riding cons: it is not enough. Controlling my weight has been a constant battle, and riding alone
isn't good enough. I judge my cardio fitness level by measuring my resting heartrate, and riding
doesn't get it down to what running does.

I think this is simply a matter of intensity. You can ride or run at high or low intensity. In "time
trial" mode, I ride at absolute maximum sustained HR. I can't imagine a more challenging workout.

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Much harder to ride in the winter when it is dark, cold, and wet. I'm down to riding on the
weekends (if I'm lucky).

Also just as much harder to run, unless you run indoors. Given the choice between the two, as much
as I hate trainers, I prefer them to treadmills or indoor tracks.

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So I try to do both, although I currently trying to get over yet another running injury...

For whole-body fitness, I really like off-road cycling, but injuries can sideline you for a long
time also.

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"Mark Heiple" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Riding cons: it is not enough. Controlling my weight has been a constant battle, and riding
alone isn't good enough. I judge my cardio fitness level by measuring my resting heartrate, and
riding doesn't get it down to what running does.

I think this is simply a matter of intensity. You can ride or run at high or low intensity. In
"time trial" mode, I ride at absolute maximum sustained HR. I can't imagine a more challenging
workout.

You might find that your max HR is higher running than it is biking. Mine is (by about 6-8 bpm), and
I know many other people who see the same thing. I believe it's because running recruits more
muscles than biking does, thereby putting more load on the cardiovascular system.

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Also just as much harder to run, unless you run indoors. Given the choice between the two, as much
as I hate trainers, I prefer them to treadmills or indoor tracks.

I do both the trainer and treadmill, because they're both boring as hell, and a change makes it a
little easier to keep myself motivated.

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I've come to the conclusion, just today, as a matter of fact, that Pedestrians are just retarded.

Are you judging a whole mass of people based upon the actions of a few? Then you must be one of
those people who despise all Middle Eastern people because the 9/11 terrorists were Middle Eastern.

What did your mother drop you on your head?

You've never heard of someone using hyperbole to vent a little?

Not only that, I do think pedestrians are just retarded.

They dash out into traffic as though protected by some divine force, they don't use crosswalks
provided, they walk against the 'Don't Walk' flashing ORANGE SIGN!

They step out in front of cars if they're not paying attention, they step out in front of bikes and
motorcycles if they -are- paying attention thinking, I guess, this is not a car, it will bounce off.

They open their car doors into traffic without looking. OK, this is a subset of drivers, during the
'becoming' phase of turning into a retarded pedestrian.

They talk on their cells while crossing streets, they wear black clothing to walk for exercise (saw
one last night at just past twilight that three people almost hit).

They use their baby carriages like barricades, pushing them off the curb, thinking, 'hey this
will get the car to stop'. But what if the car can't stop, or the sun is in the driver's eyes, or
they have a choking fit or cardiac arrest. I NEVER would use my baby carriage like a barricade to
stop traffic.

I could go on and on, but if you have a doubt, yes I think pedestrians are retarded. This is not a
"Whole Mass of People", like a culture, or a religion. This is a special subset composed of ordinary
people who are probably not normally morons, who become morons when they are 'Ped
- estrian-ing'.

Oh, by the way, grow up and stop using the ng to sling arrows at people who are just joking
and talking.

-B

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I think this is simply a matter of intensity. You can ride or run at

high or

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low intensity. In "time trial" mode, I ride at absolute maximum

sustained HR.

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I can't imagine a more challenging workout.

(well, hows about bursts well above that, with "recovery" times that are just a little bit
too short)

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You might find that your max HR is higher running than it is biking. Mine is (by about 6-8 bpm),
and I know many other people who see the same thing. I believe it's because running recruits more
muscles than biking does, thereby putting more load on the cardiovascular system.

I believe that to be true, but may not be the case for someone who doesn't do other forms of
exercise. I've had an argument with a triathelete guy about this, he refused to believe that I could
get my highest HR on an exercise bike. My second highest was whilst walking. (After running some way
up a slope, I was "power walking" up a 20% incline). And I'm often way up there whilst cycling.

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A lot of the mags, e-zines, and newsgroups I've read seem to suggest that cyclists are
reluctant "cross over" into running and vice versa, stating that their own sport would somehow
be harmed by the practice of the other (of which I don't believe).

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On the other side of the fence, Bicycling's "Style Man" (who's a bit of a doorknob, albeit an
entertaining doorknob) claimed that the only time a cyclist should run is when their hauling a
cyclocross or when chasing a wannabe "gangsta" who just stole their bike.

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I think it's a problem only in magazines. There are many ex-runners in the group I ride with,
most of them became too injured to continue running and turned to cycling for rehab. Running
doesn't seem to age gracefully.

Yeah; it kills the knees. GWB was in for an MRI on his knees about a week or so ago, which the
talking heads attributed to his jogging.

One of my major reasons for riding is that it's a low-impact activity, nice and easy on my knees and
back, both of which I have had problems with since high school. Jogging is great exercise, but not
good for those body parts.

My usual schtick when I drive by joggers is to make jokes to my wife about them flaunting their
"precious, functional knees!"

Doesn't explain why I ride my MTB, but I only do that sparingly.
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Curious...

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and all
that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

Yeti

I'm a runner and cyclist (one time triathlete) as are many of my friends. Does this mean the runner
me has to hate the cyclist me? I'm screwed up enough as it is without additional internal conflict.

Sorry to hear it is so hostile in your neck of the woods.

Andy

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Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and all
that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

I think you mean automobilists instead of runners, and yes, there is a lot of "them against us"
going around.

Dave

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I've come to the conclusion, just today, as a matter of fact, that Pedestrians are just
retarded.

Are you judging a whole mass of people based upon the actions of a few? Then you must be one of
those people who despise all Middle Eastern people because the 9/11 terrorists were Middle
Eastern.

What did your mother drop you on your head?

You've never heard of someone using hyperbole to vent a little?

Not only that, I do think pedestrians are just retarded.

Ah well I guess he is at least including himself in his mass generalization, since I'm assuming he
is not permanently attached to his saddle 🙂

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What did your mother drop you on your head?

Don't think so.

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You've never heard of someone using hyperbole to vent a little?

Nope. Never...

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Not only that, I do think pedestrians are just retarded.

Proves my point. And the subject title.

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They dash out into traffic as though protected by some divine force, they don't use crosswalks
provided, they walk against the 'Don't Walk' flashing ORANGE SIGN!

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They step out in front of cars if they're not paying attention, they

step out in front of bikes and motorcycles if they -are- paying attention thinking, I guess, this
is not a car, it will bounce off.

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They open their car doors into traffic without looking. OK, this is a subset of drivers, during
the 'becoming' phase of turning into a retarded pedestrian.

They talk on their cells while crossing streets, they wear black clothing to walk for exercise
(saw one last night at just past twilight that three people almost hit).

They use their baby carriages like barricades, pushing them off the curb, thinking, 'hey this will
get the car to stop'. But what if the car can't stop, or the sun is in the driver's eyes, or they
have a choking fit or cardiac arrest. I NEVER would use my baby carriage like a barricade to stop
traffic.

What sensible person would push off the curb hoping to stop a car? You don't live in the South, do
you? Perhaps you should say, pedestrians from my town are extremely retarded, and not say that
pedestrians in GENERAL are retarded.

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I could go on and on, but if you have a doubt, yes I think pedestrians are retarded. This is not a
"Whole Mass of People", like a culture, or a religion. This is a special subset composed of
ordinary people who are probably not normally morons, who become morons when they are 'Ped
- estrian-ing'.

Yes it is. Pedestrians is a mass of people, and your bashing of pedestrians is towards a mass of
people. If we are morons only when pedestrianing, why did you say you would never use a baby
carriage to stop a car? Aren't morons like you SUPPOSED to stop a baby carriage with a car,
according to what you just said above?

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Oh, by the way, grow up and stop using the ng to sling arrows at people who are just joking and
talking.

-B

You're the one who needs to grow up, the one with the issues. Ramming through pedestrians with your
bike when they don't yield, and hoping that they won't do anything about it as long as there's no
body contact? Sounds like raging teenage hormones to me.

Jiyang Chen said:

What sensible person would push off the curb hoping to stop a car? You don't live in the
South, do you?

Speaking of stereotypic generalizations ... .

Alexander Gilchrist

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:25:16 -0500, Badger South <[email hidden]>

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MSA said:

>
> Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
> running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and
> all that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.
>
> Yeti
>
I was surprised when I read this. As a cyclist and a runner I was not aware of any conflicts.
What exactly are you referring to, what am I not seeing?

Being a runner and cyclist in NYC, I've seen some of this over the years, particularly in central
park and on the greenway by the hudson river. It's not really so much cyclists vs runners, rather,
its oblivious jerks who think they own the roadway vs those of us who try to respect one another.
Typically the problem arises from runners in bike lanes and the reverse but also bikers, runners
and bladers (who sometimes feel a need to take up two or three lanes) with headsets who pay no
attention to anyone else on the rode as well as pedestrians who like to walk three and four
abreast in a bike lane rather than walk on the walkway. Of course, it's frequently easier for
runners to say "Damn Bikers" and bikers to say "Damm runners."

I've come to the conclusion, just today, as a matter of fact, that Pedestrians are just retarded.

I rode up to 4 adults and 2 kids and 2 unleashed dogs, all totally blocking the trail, and from 300
feet away, they all saw me coming, I yelled 'bike' every 50 feet, which I don't normally have to
with people facing me, and at 50 feet they were still all playing 'Red Rover', just stupidly
watching me, no body moving an inch. I guess they expected me to jump over them. I finally had to
come to a dead stop while -they- walked around me, grumbling.

buddy, get the air zound horn. SOmetimes not slowing down so much helps too, so their basic self
preservation instincts take over

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