Cyclists vs. runners???

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Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners?

is there???

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(Cwazee Yeti) said:

Curious...

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and all
that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

I've never heard of any enmity between cyclists and runners. We can get along just fine, so long as
if runners really gotta run on the streets instead of the sidewalks at night, they wear some
reflective stuff.

You raise a good point -- there are many ways to keep active outdoors in the winter. Or maybe even
indoors, at your local community centre. I almost wish I had a pair of ice skates.

cheers, Tom

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Quoted message said:

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners?

is there???

I wonder if "cyclists" in this context refers mostly to sidewalk POBs?

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Quoted message said:

Curious...

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and all
that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

Yeti

I was surprised when I read this. As a cyclist and a runner I was not aware of any conflicts. What
exactly are you referring to, what am I not seeing?

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[email hidden] (Cwazee Yeti) wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners?

Is there really? While competitive athletes will be competitive, I don't think cyclists and runners
hate each other any more than any more than football players hate baseball players. Lots of people
both run and bike. Wasn't Lance Armstrong a triathlete in his younger years?

On 4 Jan 2004 09:41:08 -0800, [email hidden] (Cwazee Yeti)

Quoted message said:

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners?

I teamed up with two runners as a team entry in the local cross-country duathlon last year, and will
be doing the same this year. No us and them here.

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Curious...

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and all
that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

I didn't know there was. I do both, especially in the bad weather.

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I do both, and feel quite conflicted.

"Cwazee Yeti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Curious...

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and all
that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

Yeti

A lot of the mags, e-zines, and newsgroups I've read seem to suggest that cyclists are reluctant
"cross over" into running and vice versa, stating that their own sport would somehow be harmed by
the practice of the other (of which I don't believe).

There was a good column by Bicycling's "Fitness Chick" who mentioned that many of her cycling
buddies only ran when their butts were on fire. She did a good job of debunking the myth that some
people have about crosstraining.

On the other side of the fence, Bicycling's "Style Man" (who's a bit of a doorknob, albeit an
entertaining doorknob) claimed that the only time a cyclist should run is when their hauling a
cyclocross or when chasing a wannabe "gangsta" who just stole their bike.

I guess like all sports, cliques or formed (snowboarders vs. skiers, road cyclist vs. mountain
bikers, etc...) and has more to do with sociology than the benefits of training...

Yeti

MSA said:

Quoted message said:

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and
all that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

Yeti

I was surprised when I read this. As a cyclist and a runner I was not aware of any conflicts. What
exactly are you referring to, what am I not seeing?

Being a runner and cyclist in NYC, I've seen some of this over the years, particularly in central
park and on the greenway by the hudson river. It's not really so much cyclists vs runners, rather,
its oblivious jerks who think they own the roadway vs those of us who try to respect one another.
Typically the problem arises from runners in bike lanes and the reverse but also bikers, runners and
bladers (who sometimes feel a need to take up two or three lanes) with headsets who pay no attention
to anyone else on the rode as well as pedestrians who like to walk three and four abreast in a bike
lane rather than walk on the walkway. Of course, it's frequently easier for runners to say "Damn
Bikers" and bikers to say "Damm runners."

Mike

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[email hidden] (Cwazee Yeti) wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners?

Lots of people both run and bike.

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Wasn't Lance Armstrong a triathlete in his younger years?

Yes he was.

Personally, I admire and respect anyone that partakes in a sport for recreation or competitively.

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MSA said:

Quoted message said:

Why is there such an "us versus them" attitude between cyclists and runners? The way I see it,
running is a good way to crosstrain--especially when there's about 2-feet of snow outside and
all that indoor training on the stationary is giving you serious cabin fever.

Yeti

I was surprised when I read this. As a cyclist and a runner I was not aware of any conflicts.
What exactly are you referring to, what am I not seeing?

Being a runner and cyclist in NYC, I've seen some of this over the years, particularly in central
park and on the greenway by the hudson river. It's not really so much cyclists vs runners, rather,
its oblivious jerks who think they own the roadway vs those of us who try to respect one another.
Typically the problem arises from runners in bike lanes and the reverse but also bikers, runners
and bladers (who sometimes feel a need to take up two or three lanes) with headsets who pay no
attention to anyone else on the rode as well as pedestrians who like to walk three and four abreast
in a bike lane rather than walk on the walkway. Of course, it's frequently easier for runners to
say "Damn Bikers" and bikers to say "Damm runners."

I've come to the conclusion, just today, as a matter of fact, that Pedestrians are just retarded.

I rode up to 4 adults and 2 kids and 2 unleashed dogs, all totally blocking the trail, and from 300
feet away, they all saw me coming, I yelled 'bike' every 50 feet, which I don't normally have to
with people facing me, and at 50 feet they were still all playing 'Red Rover', just stupidly
watching me, no body moving an inch. I guess they expected me to jump over them. I finally had to
come to a dead stop while -they- walked around me, grumbling.

-B

-B

"Cwazee Yeti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A lot of the mags, e-zines, and newsgroups I've read seem to suggest that cyclists are reluctant
"cross over" into running and vice versa, stating that their own sport would somehow be harmed by
the practice of the other (of which I don't believe).

There was a good column by Bicycling's "Fitness Chick" who mentioned that many of her cycling
buddies only ran when their butts were on fire. She did a good job of debunking the myth that some
people have about crosstraining.

On the other side of the fence, Bicycling's "Style Man" (who's a bit of a doorknob, albeit an
entertaining doorknob) claimed that the only time a cyclist should run is when their hauling a
cyclocross or when chasing a wannabe "gangsta" who just stole their bike.

I guess like all sports, cliques or formed (snowboarders vs. skiers, road cyclist vs. mountain
bikers, etc...) and has more to do with sociology than the benefits of training...

I think it's a problem only in magazines. There are many ex-runners in the group I ride with, most
of them became too injured to continue running and turned to cycling for rehab. Running doesn't seem
to age gracefully.

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"Cwazee Yeti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A lot of the mags, e-zines, and newsgroups I've read seem to suggest that cyclists are reluctant
"cross over" into running and vice versa, stating that their own sport would somehow be harmed
by the practice of the other (of which I don't believe).

There was a good column by Bicycling's "Fitness Chick" who mentioned that many of her cycling
buddies only ran when their butts were on fire. She did a good job of debunking the myth that
some people have about crosstraining.

On the other side of the fence, Bicycling's "Style Man" (who's a bit of a doorknob, albeit an
entertaining doorknob) claimed that the only time a cyclist should run is when their hauling a
cyclocross or when chasing a wannabe "gangsta" who just stole their bike.

I guess like all sports, cliques or formed (snowboarders vs. skiers, road cyclist vs. mountain
bikers, etc...) and has more to do with sociology than the benefits of training...

I think it's a problem only in magazines. There are many ex-runners in the group I ride with, most
of them became too injured to continue running and turned to cycling for rehab. Running doesn't
seem to age gracefully.

Yeah; it kills the knees. GWB was in for an MRI on his knees about a week or so ago, which the
talking heads attributed to his jogging.

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Quoted message said:

I think it's a problem only in magazines. There are many ex-runners in the group I ride with, most
of them became too injured to continue running and turned to cycling for rehab. Running doesn't
seem to age gracefully.

I have to disagree. Here in Baltimore we have a DJ (Steve Rouse) on WQSR that almost annually does a
shtick on cyclists, from his point of view that we are unfriendly - something based on that about
ten years ago when he started jogging, cyclists wouldn't wave back when he waved. On occasion he has
suggested clotheslining cyclists (for the non-USA football fans, basically catching someone with a
stiff arm a the neck and dropping them) and likes to pretend to machine gun them on air in morning
commuter drive time.

He gets a lot of support from runners and joggers, with almost no dissenters (although they may not
make it through the phone filter). The year he spent the most time suggesting clotheslining and
making machine gun noises, some cyclist showed up to APOLOGIZE!

Anyway, it isn't all fiction. There is a problem for some. It is unfotunate that it happens to be a
morning drive-time DJ.

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"Cwazee Yeti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On the other side of the fence, Bicycling's "Style Man" (who's a bit of a doorknob, albeit an
entertaining doorknob) claimed that the only time a cyclist should run is when their hauling a
cyclocross or when chasing a wannabe "gangsta" who just stole their bike.

I guess like all sports, cliques or formed (snowboarders vs. skiers, road cyclist vs. mountain
bikers, etc...) and has more to do with sociology than the benefits of training...

Style Man's a humor column. The column's writer probably doesn't even hold those opinions.

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Mike Kruger I didn't believe in reincarnation last time, either.

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Peter Cole said:

I think it's a problem only in magazines. There are many ex-runners in the group I ride with, most
of them became too injured to continue running and turned to cycling for rehab. Running doesn't
seem to age gracefully.

I started out running about 5 years ago, and took up biking about 3 years ago after a knee injury.

In my limited experience:

Running pros: it is a more effecient exercise. I can get a better workout running than I can biking
simply because biking takes so much longer. I can go running in much worse weather (wet & cold) than
I am willing to ride in. I can run in the snow, but I won't ride in it.

Running cons: I've had more running injuries than any other kind. I've had ankle, knee, hip, and
groin injuries, and it is very frustrating to finally make some progress, then injure myself. I have
to take time off, and when I start back up it is like starting all over.

Riding pros: it is a lot more fun. After a hard ride, I'm tired, but I feel good, instead of sore
and exhausted after running. On a hot day, I would much rather ride than run. No matter what running
injuries I've inflicted on myself, I can still ride without pain.

Riding cons: it is not enough. Controlling my weight has been a constant battle, and riding alone
isn't good enough. I judge my cardio fitness level by measuring my resting heartrate, and riding
doesn't get it down to what running does. Much harder to ride in the winter when it is dark, cold,
and wet. I'm down to riding on the weekends (if I'm lucky).

So I try to do both, although I currently trying to get over yet another running injury...

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:25:16 -0500, Badger South <[email hidden]>

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I've come to the conclusion, just today, as a matter of fact, that Pedestrians are just retarded.

I rode up to 4 adults and 2 kids and 2 unleashed dogs, all totally blocking the trail, and from 300
feet away, they all saw me coming, I yelled 'bike' every 50 feet, which I don't normally have to
with people facing me, and at 50 feet they were still all playing 'Red Rover', just stupidly
watching me, no body moving an inch. I guess they expected me to jump over them. I finally had to
come to a dead stop while -they- walked around me, grumbling.

I seem to remember this from high school; as I scurried down the hall, trying to actually make it
from one corner of the school to the diagonally opposite corner without being late for class, I
would come upon cluster after cluster of people walking next to eachother very slowly.

In fact, I still find such people in stores and nearly any other indoor semi-public place. They walk
[3|5|7|10] abreast leaving no room for somebody coming the other way.

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-B

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I've come to the conclusion, just today, as a matter of fact, that Pedestrians are just retarded.

Are you judging a whole mass of people based upon the actions of a few? Then you must be one of
those people who despise all Middle Eastern people because the 9/11 terrorists were Middle Eastern.