Cyclist Payback???

"mrbubl" <[email hidden]> wrote

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost
2,000 tires

after a

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driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was
sentenced to 16

months

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in prison Friday.

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . .
extreme and violent reactions to their problems with
motorists . . . Not that that is the norm, but I've seen
some pretty violent, reactionary comments made here from
time to time . . .

-Brendon

In rec.bicycles.misc Brendon M. Troy said:

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . .
extreme and violent reactions to their problems with
motorists . . . Not that that is the norm, but I've seen
some pretty violent, reactionary comments made here from
time to time . . .

so you agree? he was justified in his actions.
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"David Reuteler" <[email hidden]> wrote

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In rec.bicycles.misc Brendon M. Troy

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Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . .
. extreme

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violent reactions to their problems with motorists . . .
Not that

that

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is the norm, but I've seen some pretty violent,
reactionary comments made here from time to time . . .

so you agree? he was justified in his actions.

Ha! Yes, yes, of course. You go, guy.

-Brendon

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost
2,000 tires after

a

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driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was
sentenced to 16

months

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in prison Friday.

Gosh, that's a bit severe. Now, putting "I support
terrorism" bumper stickers on H2s and Suburbans is
FUNNY... :-)

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Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . .
extreme and violent reactions to their problems with
motorists . . . Not that that is the norm, but I've seen
some pretty violent, reactionary comments made here from
time to time . . .

I think it is situational. I have a long drive to and from
Work..fifty miles each way that I despise having to do. When
I am nearly home, on my winding country road, I curse the
bicyclists who ride two abreast, because their conversation
is far more imortant than anything I could possibly be
doing. Then the instant I get home, I get out of my car and
onto my bicycle, and seethe with hatred at the SUV/HMV
drivers that are struggling so hard to stay somewhere on the
road, their beery little heads overwhelmed with the
challenge, or "Moooo! Gotta get the kids to SOCCER- What is
this rider's life worth compared to THAT?", etc. etc.
youknowtherest.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:42:33 GMT, "mrbubl"
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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed
almost 2,000 tires after a driver drenched him when
driving through a puddle was sentenced to 16 months in
prison Friday.

And the same day a driver who killed a cyclist and left the
scene without giving aid or reporting the crash was given a
modest fine and a twelve month ban. The ban was for leaving
the scene, not for killing the cyclist. Funny old world...

These days drivers who are drunk prefer to leave the scene
as the penalty is the same but the insurance hit is lower
than for DUI. And sometimes they get away with it, as was
the case for one driver recently who ran downa cyclist,
drove off without calling an abulance, and gave herself up
the next day when she was sober (witnesses say she had been
drinking). Nine points (twelve is a ban) and a fine. Drink-
driving and manslaughter and not even a short period of
disqualification! Result!

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Brendon M. Troy said:

"mrbubl" <[email hidden]> wrote

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed
almost 2,000 tires after a driver drenched him when
driving through a puddle was sentenced to 16 months in
prison Friday.

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . .
extreme and violent reactions to their problems with
motorists . . . Not that that is the norm, but I've seen
some pretty violent, reactionary comments made here from
time to time . . .

Comments are one thing, but actually taking a knife to your
enemies is another.

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Brendon M. Troy said:

"mrbubl" <[email hidden]> wrote

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost
2,000 tires

after a

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driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was
sentenced to 16

months

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in prison Friday.

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . .
extreme and violent reactions to their problems with
motorists . . . Not that that is the norm, but I've seen
some pretty violent, reactionary comments made here from
time to time . . .

-Brendon

It may be very healthy to express extreme and violent
reactions in this newsgroup. It may help you overcome your
anger or frustration. Consider it as a debriefing. If this
British cyclist had been attending cycling forums, he might
have found some sympathy and perhaps would not have
developed such a long lasting hatred.

One thing strikes me, though. Slashing between one and four
tires should normally have been enough to exhaust the guy's
rage. Going on for 1996 more may indicate that he is closer
to a psychiatric case, and would therefore be beyond the
comforting power of our sympathetic ears...

Jacques

In rec.bicycles.misc Jacques Moser said:

One thing strikes me, though. Slashing between one and
four tires should normally have been enough to exhaust the
guy's rage. Going on for 1996 more may indicate that he is
closer to a psychiatric case

shows dedication and promise if you ask me. we need to get
this guy into graduate school and academia and safely out of
society's way doing 80 hour weeks and working on his thesis.
float him on his dissertation and we could have him out of
the way for 10 years .. forget about 18 months (or whatever
it was) in jail. the punishment would certainly be worse
than jail. so would the pay.
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:42:33 GMT, "mrbubl"
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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost
2,000 tires after a driver drenched him when driving
through a puddle was sentenced to 16 months in prison
Friday.

And the same day a driver who killed a cyclist and left
the scene without giving aid or reporting the crash was
given a modest fine and a twelve month ban. The ban was
for leaving the scene, not for killing the cyclist. Funny
old world...

These days drivers who are drunk prefer to leave the scene
as the penalty is the same but the insurance hit is lower
than for DUI. And sometimes they get away with it, as was
the case for one driver recently who ran downa cyclist,
drove off without calling an abulance, and gave herself up
the next day when she was sober (witnesses say she had
been drinking). Nine points (twelve is a ban) and a fine.
Drink-driving and manslaughter and not even a short period
of disqualification! Result!

--
Guy

Whew. This is scary. I will keep this in mind from now on
when I cycle. Stay well away from anyone who looks drunk on
the road. There is no mercy shown to the person who gets hit
by a drunk anymore. All the mercy is shown to the drunk
driver instead.

I don't condone the tire-slasher one iota--he sounds
psycho to me--but have I oft-times wished I could get a
gentler form of revenge on the idiots I've encountered on
the road? Yes.
--
Trudi

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Trudi Marrapodi said:

I don't condone the tire-slasher one iota--he sounds
psycho to me--but have I oft-times wished I could get a
gentler form of revenge on the idiots I've encountered on
the road? Yes.

Maybe instead of slashing, just removing the valve core from
his tires? Seems a lot gentler. I _guess_ it's still
illegal, though.

(What's the charge? "Releasing captive air?"😉

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:57:03 -0400, [email hidden]

(Trudi Marrapodi) said:

I don't condone the tire-slasher one iota--he sounds
psycho to me--but have I oft-times wished I could get a
gentler form of revenge on the idiots I've encountered on
the road? Yes.

There was a comic awhile back -- I've long since forgotten
which one -- who had this idea. Everyone would be issued
these little dart-guns. They'd shoot a dart that had a
little flag on it that said "STUPID". They'd shoot them at
any driver they saw doing something, well, stupid. If any
law enforcement officer saw a car with five or more "stupid"
darts on it, he could stop the car and arrest the driver
without further ado.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:57:03 -0400, [email hidden]
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This is scary. I will keep this in mind from now on when I
cycle. Stay well away from anyone who looks drunk on the
road. There is no mercy shown to the person who gets hit
by a drunk anymore. All the mercy is shown to the drunk
driver instead.

Shortly afterwards there was an even "better" one. Five
months for a repeat offender who actually laughed as he
drove away. Note that there is a call for the courts to be
given increased powers: this is unnecessary. He could have
been charged with manslaughter, which carries a potential
life sentence.

The newspaper report was as follows:

A Banned driver who mowed down and killed a newly wed
teacher has been jailed for less than six months despite
having 21 convictions for driving while disqualified.

Rogue motorist Mark Andrew Webster mowed down 35-year-old
teacher Anthony Wilkinson and then drove off laughing.

Yesterday Webster, 36, was sentenced to just five-and-a-half
months in jail.

Today neighbours of Webster, of 16th Avenue, north Hull,
revealed how he continually flouted his driving ban.

One furious resident, who didn't want to be named, said: "He
deserves to get more than this. He has hit someone and then
driven off. He deserves to go down for longer.

"It seems to me such a light sentence. I am very shocked.

"He was banned from driving but I've seen him drive his car
a few times."

Now Haltemprice and Howden MP David Davis, whose
constituency covers Mr Wilkinson's Cottingham home has
called for courts to be given increased powers.

He said: "I'm very strongly in favour of an extension of the
law for those cases where there's a flagrant abuse.

"That would mean people who misuse cars, either to
deliberately cause injury or death or - as in this case -
drive without insurance or qualifications - could have very
long bans and much longer sentences."

The call for a longer sentence was backed by campaigning
charity Roadpeace, which looks after the interests of road
accident victims.

Campaigner Zoe Stow said: "The sentence is ridiculous in
light of what this man has done.

"The law fails us in this area. In this case, there was
obviously not enough evidence to prove dangerous driving.

"If there was a motor manslaughter or vehicular homicide
charge, like in other countries, courts could look at how
culpable he was for killing this person, instead of what the
standard of his driving was."

At Hull Magistrates' Court yesterday, Webster pleaded guilty
to driving while disqualified, careless driving, failing to
stop, failing to report an accident and driving with no
insurance.

Today, Nigel Cowgill, Chief Crown Prosecutor for Humberside
Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), explained the charges were
the most serious his department could bring.

He said: "This is a tragic case in which the prosecution
considered the evidence very carefully before selecting the
charges that were put before the court.

"The choice of charges in a case such as this are limited.
The sentence that was imposed by the magistrates reflects
the gravity of this matter within the available powers
they have."

Webster was only arrested 16 hours

after the accident and a breath test taken at that time
was negative.

It was alleged that Webster had been on a seven-hour
drinking binge before getting behind the wheel of his
Ford Transit.

Prosecutor Joanne Golding said: "He drove off and had
a laugh about it with his friends. It was callous and
cold-hearted."

Webster was also banned from driving for 10 years.

The tragedy happened near to McDonalds on Beverley Road
in Hull on April 4 - the day Mr Wilkinson was celebrating
his birthday.

As the teacher stepped off a kerb, Webster's van hit him,
throwing his body into a nearby bus shelter.

Mrs Golding said Webster drove off and left his van at a
friend's house, but three passengers reported him to police
the next day.

The court also heard how in December 2002, he was jailed for
21 months after being convicted of dangerous driving. He was
released six months early on licence but, having reoffended,
must now serve those six months taking yesterday's sentence
upto 11-and-a-half months.

Mr Wilkinson, from The Paddock, Cottingham, taught at
Longcroft School and Performing Arts College, Beverley and
had been married to wife Helen for just five months. After
the hearing she said: "I feel lost, devastated. Life is
very unfair.

"We got married in August and it was a fantastic day,
Anthony didn't stop smiling."

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:25:12 -0500, Zippy the Pinhead
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There was a comic awhile back -- I've long since forgotten
which one -- who had this idea. Everyone would be issued
these little dart-guns. They'd shoot a dart that had a
little flag on it that said "STUPID". They'd shoot them at
any driver they saw doing something, well, stupid. If any
law enforcement officer saw a car with five or more
"stupid" darts on it, he could stop the car and arrest the
driver without further ado.

Superb idea!

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"Jacques Moser" [email hidden]

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Slashing between one and four tires should normally have
been enough to exhaust the guy's rage. Going on for 1996
more may indicate that he is closer to a psychiatric case

If such an award existed I'd nominate this for the "RBM Wry
Understatement of the Month Award".

Not to mention that while his actions presumably provided
some self-gratifying purpose, they hurt the rest of us.

1) 2000 otherwise good tires end up in a landfill somewhere
2) 2000 new tires have to be manufactured
3) Insurance payouts go up by ~$200,000, so ultimately
insurance premiums go up by that amount times the
overhead added by the insurance agency.

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Not to mention that while his actions presumably provided
some self-gratifying purpose, they hurt the rest of us.

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3) Insurance payouts go up by ~$200,000, so ultimately
insurance premiums go up by that amount times the
overhead added by the insurance agency.

So insurance payouts are ~$200,000 for a well-publicized,
freak event. This is the cheapest advertising any insurance
company can buy. By pointing to this as justification, they
can collect $200M in extra premiums over the next few years.

Hey, I didn't go to bidness skool fer nuthin.

Matt O.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:45:03 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
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This is scary. I will keep this in mind from now on when I
cycle. Stay well away from anyone who looks drunk on the
road. There is no mercy shown to the person who gets hit
by a drunk anymore. All the mercy is shown to the drunk
driver instead.

Shortly afterwards there was an even "better" one. Five
months for a repeat offender who actually laughed as he
drove away.

Do you think that the crime should carry more
punishment if the perpetrator laughs? Just curious,
since I have heard that proposal before.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

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Do you think that the crime should carry more
punishment if the perpetrator laughs? Just curious,
since I have heard that proposal before.

Perhaps it could be used to demonstrate criminal intent, and
during the sentencing process, argue against any possibility
of "rehabilitation", and contribute to the argument that the
individual is a public menace. One can also hope that the
victim has a bad-tempered family that would spare the State
the agony of doing the right thing.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

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Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard
that proposal before.

I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of
remorse does come in as a consideration.

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