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  1. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    Do you think that the crime should carry more
    punishment if the perpetrator laughs? Just curious,
    since I have heard that proposal before.

    On reflection, yes. If you hit someone, stop, render aid,
    they die, you call the police and show proper remorse -
    well, you're a human being who made a mistake. If you hit
    someone and drive off laughing leaving them to die, you are
    inhuman. Looking at this guy's record he is apparently a
    sociopath.

    Cut off his goolies. It's the only language these people
    understand.

    --
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  2. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:26:24 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment
    if the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have
    heard that proposal before.

    Quoted message said:

    I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of
    remorse does come in as a consideration.

    The remorse usually starts at about the time they are
    arrested and realise that despite having fled the scene they
    are caught bang to rights. I am rather cynical about
    lethally bad drivers whose lawyers tell the court they are
    wracked with guilt as if this were punishment enough.

    --
    Guy
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  3. you know? said:

    The remorse usually starts at about the time they are
    arrested and realise that despite having fled the scene
    they are caught bang to rights. I am rather cynical about
    lethally bad drivers whose lawyers tell the court they are
    wracked with guilt as if this were punishment enough.

    I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give
    extra points for showing high levels of remorse - there are
    some TV evangelists that I can remember crying at the drop
    of a hanky - but they take a harsh look at those that show
    no remorse, like laughing at the victims' families. This
    person was showing no remorse and in a clear way
    (evidently).

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
    two wheels...

  4. Ken NY) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you think that the crime should carry more
    punishment if the perpetrator laughs? Just curious,
    since I have heard that proposal before.


    On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:21:56 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you

    know? said:

    On reflection, yes. If you hit someone, stop, render aid,
    they die, you call the police and show proper remorse -
    well, you're a human being who made a mistake. If you hit
    someone and drive off laughing leaving them to die, you are
    inhuman. Looking at this guy's record he is apparently a
    sociopath.

    Cut off his goolies. It's the only language these people
    understand.

    Assuming that the article is the truth (and all of it): He
    is inhuman. Why should we care what language he understands?
    His language should be WormFoodIsh -- as in, if they cut
    something off, it should be his head. Is there some reason
    to keep him around? Does he do anything other than hurt and
    _deliberately_murder_ people? He has forfeited his excuse
    for being alive.
    --
    Rick Onanian

  5. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:48:14 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    Is there some reason to keep him around? Does he do
    anything other than hurt and _deliberately_murder_ people?
    He has forfeited his excuse for being alive.

    No, I don't want society to stoop to his level. Lock him up
    and ensure a generous supply of razor blades and
    barbiturates in case he wants to top himself.

    --
    Guy
    ===
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    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  6. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:26:24 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
    <[email hidden]> mumbled incoherently:

    Quoted message said:
    Ken NY) said:

    Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment
    if the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have
    heard that proposal before.

    I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of
    remorse does come in as a consideration.

    So sentences are based on how good an actor the
    defendant happens to be. Justice is weird.

    Ken (NY) Chairman, Department Of Redundancy Department
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  7. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:07:48 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
    <[email hidden]> mumbled incoherently:

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:24:21 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you

    know? said:

    The remorse usually starts at about the time they are
    arrested and realise that despite having fled the scene
    they are caught bang to rights. I am rather cynical about
    lethally bad drivers whose lawyers tell the court they are
    wracked with guilt as if this were punishment enough.

    I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give
    extra points for showing high levels of remorse - there are
    some TV evangelists that I can remember crying at the drop
    of a hanky - but they take a harsh look at those that show
    no remorse, like laughing at the victims' families. This
    person was showing no remorse and in a clear way
    (evidently).

    I remember a child murderer a few years ago who was
    found guilty of raping and strangling a very young
    girl. Nobody thought much of it until he stood up
    and gave the family of the victim the finger. Think
    of it, the finger seemed to enrage the court and the
    public more than the murder of a child.

    Ken (NY) Chairman, Department Of Redundancy Department
    ___________________________________
    email: geocities.comemail.htm

    "It should be the policy of the United States to support ef-
    forts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from
    power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic
    government to replace that regime,"
    -- 1998 Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338)
    signed by Bill Clinton

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  8. On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:21:16 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    So sentences are based on how good an actor the defendant
    happens to be. Justice is weird.

    As long as 'rehabilitation' is part of the sentence, then it
    makes sense enough to consider it. If the intent is only to
    punish, then it doesn't.

    Of course, there would be logic in saying if three years of
    the sentence is the rehabiliation portion and the person is
    an obvious unremorseful SOB incapable of rehabilitation,
    then you may as well knock off those three years from the
    sentence...

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
    two wheels...

  9. Just zis Guy said:

    The remorse usually starts at about the time they are
    arrested and realise that despite having fled the scene
    they are caught bang to rights. I am rather cynical about
    lethally bad drivers whose lawyers tell the court they are
    wracked with guilt as if this were punishment enough.

    Does anyone keep statistics on repeat offenders? These
    people who "must suffer every day of their lives with the
    knowledge that they killed someone" -- do they kill again
    more often, or less often, than the average motorist?

    If they were truly remorseful, I would imagine they would
    voluntarily give up driving. Permanently.

    Curtis L. Russell said:

    I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give
    extra points for showing high levels of remorse - there
    are some TV evangelists that I can remember crying at the
    drop of a hanky - but they take a harsh look at those that
    show no remorse, like laughing at the victims' families.
    This person was showing no remorse and in a clear way
    (evidently).

    Yes. 27 years ago I was sentenced to six years in prison for
    office burglary. The judge said he chose such a harsh
    sentence because I "showed no remorse" and "appeared to be
    angry". It was true I showed no remorse and was angry.
    Because I was *innocent*. (I did not laugh at the victim.)

    At the going rate for vehicular homicide, I could have
    murdered more people than both of the Columbine killers did,
    and laughed about it, and gotten a shorter sentence.

    Is there any wonder why increasing numbers of Americans
    regard our criminal justice system with utter contempt?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - keithlynch.netkeithlynch.net Please see
    keithlynch.netemail.html before emailing me.

  10. What some people in this world will do just leaves me
    stupidly opening and closing my gaping mouth like a fish.

    There are truly some psychotic people in this world, and the
    sad part of it is that some of them still get behind the
    wheels of motor vehicles.
    --
    Trudi

    "Boy, there sure is a lot of tension around here tonight.
    It's like a Joan Crawford movie."

  11. Trudi Marrapodi said:

    What some people in this world will do just leaves me
    stupidly opening and closing my gaping mouth like a fish.

    This would mean more if the reader knew to what you were
    referring.

    Bill "context" S.

  12. Media Release 04-04-08

    Homicide Update

    Vancouver - The 8th homicide victim of the year has been
    identified as Jeffery James HENDRY. Mr. Henrdy is a 47-year-
    old male who is a resident of the area.

    Jeffery was found yesterday morning lying in the street in
    the 2100 block of Williams St.

    Investigators believe that Jeffery was out riding his bike
    in the early morning hours of April 8th when he was
    attacked. He suffered a serious assault. The motive is
    still unknown.

    A person was seen running from the scene wearing a dark
    hoodie, however, that is the only description available.
    Some media reports have suggested this homicide was
    connected to windows of a vehicle being smashed out in the
    area. There is a significant time delay between the two
    incidents, but investigators will look at both incidents to
    see if there is a connection.

    Jeffery was mentally and physically challenged. His speech
    was slow and he walked with a stiff leg. He was described
    as a white male, 5-7 in height and 140lbs and had no
    criminal record.

    Police want to speak to anyone who may have known
    Jeffery James Hendry, including any of his friends that
    he had recent contact with. Investigators are looking
    for any information on the areas that Jeffery enjoyed
    visiting on his bike.
    --
    zk

  13. Brendon M. Troy said:

    Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . .
    extreme and violent reactions to their problems with
    motorists . . . Not that that is the norm, but I've seen
    some pretty violent, reactionary comments made here from
    time to time . . .

    Put me at the front of that list. Until it's publicly known
    that messing with a cyclist on the road will mean having 10-
    20 of them track you down to beat your soul out of you
    things will only get worse out on the roads.

    --
    Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, "S o r n i"

    Quoted message said:
    Trudi Marrapodi said:

    What some people in this world will do just leaves
    me stupidly opening and closing my gaping mouth like
    a fish.

    This would mean more if the reader knew to what you were
    referring.

    Bill "context" S.

    THE ORIGINAL GUY who hit someone on a bike and laughed it
    off. Not obvious enough without quoting the entire article?
    --
    Trudi

    "Boy, there sure is a lot of tension around here tonight.
    It's like a Joan Crawford movie."

  15. On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:34:50 -0400, [email hidden]

    (Trudi Marrapodi) said:
    Quoted message said:
    Trudi Marrapodi said:

    What some people in this world will do just leaves me
    stupidly opening and closing my gaping mouth like a
    fish.

    This would mean more if the reader knew to what you were
    referring. Bill "context" S.

    THE ORIGINAL GUY who hit someone on a bike and laughed it
    off. Not obvious enough without quoting the entire article?

    No. The original post in this thread was about a cyclist
    slashing tires; it was a later post that talked about the
    laughing killer.

    You don't have to quote the entire article. You could just
    quote enough for the rest of us to know what you're
    talking about.
    --
    Rick Onanian

  16. In rec.bicycles.misc Rick Onanian said:

    No. The original post in this thread was about a cyclist
    slashing tires; it was a later post that talked about the
    laughing killer.

    You don't have to quote the entire article. You could just
    quote enough for the rest of us to know what you're
    talking about.

    i implore you not to start. please! i got it. i did. i
    really, really
    did.

    what did i get? damn, i didn't quote it. trudi's statement.
    the one about being amazed what some people do. that's just
    a paraphrase i don't remember it exactly. i clipped it. i'm
    sorry. next time i'll be a better poster.

    .. or not.
    --
    david reuteler [email hidden]

  17. David Reuteler said:

    In rec.bicycles.misc Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No. The original post in this thread was about a cyclist
    slashing tires; it was a later post that talked about the
    laughing killer.

    You don't have to quote the entire article. You could
    just quote enough for the rest of us to know what you're
    talking about.

    i implore you not to start. please! i got it. i did. i
    really, really did.

    what did i get? damn, i didn't quote it. trudi's
    statement. the one about being amazed what some people do.
    that's just a paraphrase i don't remember it exactly. i
    clipped it. i'm sorry. next time i'll be a better poster.

    Where did YOU come from in this? All I and then Rick were
    pointing out was that Trudi (not you) didn't quote ANYTHING
    with her reply, so a reader might be confused. (Especially
    one having server issues, like I have last few days. Getting
    lots of replies without the OP showing up first.)

    It would be like me replying to your comment above by just
    posting "Here we go." (but after SNIPPING it so no one knew
    what I meant).

    Bill "fine with me to let it go at that" S.

  18. S o r n i said:

    Where did YOU come from in this? All I and then Rick were
    pointing out was that Trudi (not you) didn't quote
    ANYTHING with her reply, so a reader might be confused.
    (Especially one having server issues, like I have last
    few days. Getting lots of replies without the OP showing
    up first.)

    just please don't respond to every poorly attributed post.
    you'll flood us.
    --
    david reuteler [email hidden]

  19. We insist. We'll respond as we damn well please!
    --
    Rick "Get it?" Onanian

  20. Rick Onanian said:

    We insist. We'll respond as we damn well please!

    damn, i was gonna make that same joke.

    instead i think i'm gonna bail on work and drink a serving
    of $7 per bottle australian red. i've had a long, long week.
    on bike topic. a single serving (750ml) fits perfectly into
    one of my rear jersey pockets. how cool i must look cruisin'
    down main with two bottles of wine stuffed into my jersey
    pockets i can only imagine .. but damn.
    --
    david reuteler [email hidden]

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