Crash & Burned: NYC

"Crash & burned ~
That's really the bottomline
Of what happend to me today,
Complete & total crash and burn

(and I should have seen it coming).

I'm gonna skip the details,
Get to the disaster.

Race was going perfect ~ to ~ plan
Through the first half
And then ..."
~ Lance & Rew

"Fret knot ~
You traveled from Beginning to End,
A Finish."
~ Twittering

"Light breaks fast
Upon day

Ice ~ jeweled limb limply
Bears up

Under wait of knowledge
Almost unbearable
Weight

After wake's
Awoken aubade ~

O, unbearable
Lightness of Being awakening ..."
~ Etude

"O, unbearable
Lightness of Being unsealsyour invitation ...
Breakfast tomorrow at Tiffany's."
~ Capote

Quoted message said:

That's really the bottomline of what happend to me today, complete &
total crash and burn (and I should have seen it coming). I'm gonna
skip the details and get to the disaster.

Lance, congratulations on a gutsy performance. It was not a total disaster.
Maybe not what you had hoped for, but in reality, with no training for 3
weeks, I'd say you did well to just finish.

My personal opinion (take it for what it's worth), is that you've got some
natural ability as well as a lot of motivation. Most runners have one
quality or the other, but you have both. If you ever put together a "real"
marathon training plan you'd be sensational.

--
Phil M.

Quoted message said:

and my girlfriend was there.

You looked really stupid carrying that blowup doll down the street
Lancanot.
P-U-N-K!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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O, please prepare The Periodic Table
For High Tea,

Our daily social hour, our daily celebratory
Festivity,

Every afternoon,
Rain or shine, no matter the weather,
At 3.14 in the afternoon, we gather together,

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For High Tea

We celebrate together in The Disenchanted Forest."
~ Sir Cumference

"They have no intention to stop gaming
Against the powerless ..."
~ Art Deco

"What do you hold in your hands
When day's end comes ~

Enough for yourself,
Enough to share, for unfed others ~ ?"
~ The Axelated Isomer

"Nouveau Ork City Marathon
Crash & burned ~

That's really the bottom line
Of what happened today,
Complete & total crash and burn.

Care for a glass of bitters, lime
Or lemon, on the rocks ~ ?"
~ Alain

Phil M. said:

My personal opinion (take it for what it's worth), is that you've got some
natural ability as well as a lot of motivation.

And a blowup girlfriend.

thanks phil. that would be neat to put it all together one time. but
the truth is...i don't like what went down on this ng last week w/me, i
don't like getting competitive & thinking competitive in this running
endeavor.

i don't do competitive well or healthy. being a competitive relentless
sob served me well in my professional life, but i allowed it to screw
up my personal life with the best person i've ever met in my life (my
ex).

i don't join a local racing team here in NYC for that reason....i don't
want to enter a forum of structural organized competition. i just
want to show up for the next race and run, spin the wheel, see what
happens....etc.

i'm still stubborn and hard-headed and i had no business running today.
at this moment 7 or so hours after i finished my knee is locked
up...gradually swelling...muscles shot...and i should not have raced
today. Doug F was right...and having my muscles lock up on me at mile
17 might have been a blessing in disguise to save my knee. I should
not have ran today, plain and simple. I'm not a kid anymore....I'm 42
and recovery is not like it was when i was 22.

This race made me clearly see I am so behind the curve...and I need to
get married ASAP and have a kid and let them become the runner i the
family.

Quoted message said:

thanks phil. that would be neat to put it all together one time. but
the truth is...i don't like what went down on this ng last week w/me

You mean the "spearchucker" remarks, and the "nose bone" stuff Donovan
said about you? Oh well, he's a bad person.

Quoted message said:

and I need to
get married ASAP and have a kid

Dating a blowup doll won't further that cause Lance-a-not.

Now do you see what I'm saying about jogging being a waste of time and
effort?
I don't train at all, and I could go out and not finish a marathon.

Lance - great read as always.
Not sensible, but you knew that anyway.

Good luck in Miami.

Anthony.

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Quoted message said:

That's really the bottomline of what happend to me today, complete &
total crash and burn (and I should have seen it coming). I'm gonna
skip the details and get to the disaster. Race was going _perfect_ to
plan through the first half. I haven't bothered to look at my
splits....howevever all I know is there were spot on in that I was
rested through the first Half and clocked a 1:31 (or thereabouts).

Same suggestion I gave Charlie, quit reading those pace charts.

Quoted message said:

On retropect...those 3 weeks completely off prior to the
race?....recipe for disaster. Don't run for 3 weeks then all of a
sudden run a Marathon.

It should have been at notification to leave your big balls with your
girfriend and taken a more sensible and slower approach.

Same question for you ,what did you learn? FWIW, aka from my seat, you
overtrained and then over raced. I reamins to be seen if you did any
residual harm to your knee. It will take a few days.

-DougF

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:49:00 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

It should have been at notification to leave your big balls with your
girfriend

He would've, but her "vibrating vagina" batterys were dead, and she
sprang a leak.

Quoted message said:

That's really the bottomline of what happend to me today, complete &
total crash and burn (and I should have seen it coming). I'm gonna
skip the details and get to the disaster. Race was going _perfect_ to
plan through the first half. I haven't bothered to look at my
splits....howevever all I know is there were spot on in that I was
rested through the first Half and clocked a 1:31 (or thereabouts). I
usually rabbit....I did not.

I hate myself for kicking a man who's already down, but your 10K split
42:36 tells a story of man who started in sub-3 pace, not of a man
whose race was going perfect.

Quoted message said:

My 1/2M is 1:27 (on a comparable hilly translated course) so I was excited because I > really felt I was just getting started/warmed up in this race....remember, I had not ran > in 3 weeks due to ITB / Runner's Knee. I felt fresh, light, and was poised
for the "back half".

Even withjout that kind of first 10K (and heaven knows what kind of
first 1-3K) your HM split 1:32 would still have been a tad too fast for
your stated goal of 3:09 and an assumed plan of running a positive
split of up to four minutes (i.e. a bit larger than Donovan did last
year, but still not necessarily unreasonable for the day and the
course).

Sometimes one knows by one's feelings that it ain't gonna work, but it
is probably far more common to feel fine, fresh and light, and still
be heading exactly for the foretold disaster.

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Now up to this point, the course had it's share of hills....but nothing
like the climb of the 59th St. bridge going from Queens to Manhattan.
I think it covers mile 15-16. So I hit the bridge....up about 1
mile...flattens out...then downward to Manhattan and back to flat road.
Well when I got off that bridge...my thighs and quads instantly locked
up and were trembling. I stopped and tried to stretch it out and
continue on....my god, shocked me how legs were in spasming...all the
muscles.......and I could not lift my knee...at all.

This is the ending to your race that I prophesized to you: when the
muscles that haven't really and regularly put to work during three or
more weeks are put to a heavy task, the central nervous system (or the
central governer Noakes describes) will interfere sooner rather than
later by producing cramps or spasms that will make you stop or slow
down severely.

The only way to avoid such a fate is to run far below your ability -
and I'm pretty sure that accepting a 3:40-50 pace and running a
"Marathon Light" with resignation could never be an option for you.

That said, you lasted 22.5% further than I expected:-)

(And - even if you have a feeble mind (in the sense that it cannot
resist some urges that it perhaps should) - you do have a noble heart.)

Quoted message said:

. And on that note, I am getting in
the tub and I am taking November off to get healthy. I might run
Miami ING on January 29. Why? for once in my friggen life I want to
see what it's like to race on a flat course....I've never raced on a
flat course ever....any distance. That I'd like to try.

This doesn't seem at all like a bad idea! I could even recommend it to
Charlie:-)

Anders

Same question for you ,what did you learn?
___

first off i am really stunned over how deeply, thoroughly and
completely my leg muscles spasmed on a dime....coming off that 59th st.
bridge and its incline and decline. i had no control.

i learned not to race (any distance) unless you're 100%. otherwise
your courting, asking for trouble. not only must we respect the
distance, we must respect the taper (and i imagine the recovery).

if you have to take time off....you gotta be gradual and cautious in
getting back into running....let alone racing. recovery is
paramount...you gotta give your body a fair chance and shot when even
pleasure running daily.

i used to feel guilty about missing a training day, etc for whatever
reason...and then think in foolishness about "doubling up" the next day
to make up for the missed day. wrong. just resume your schedule,
plain and simple. don't sweat the days you've had to miss for whatever
reason, health, other priorities, etc.

you can't compress schedules, recovery or time. you have to let things
take their natural course and listen to your body, respect your body.
sure...we've all read that a million times....but many of us tend to be
stubborn.

so the theme of what i learned about the whole endeavor was
"recovery"....adaquate, sufficient, and appropriate recovery........and
"recovery" extends to when you back and 100% to run again.

Definitely not attempting to run till December. Knee's terribly sore
and stiff...but no pinching/piercing pain.

Quoted message said:

I hate myself for kicking a man who's already down, but your 10K split 42:36 tells a story of man who started in sub-3 pace, not of a man whose race was going perfect.

___

anders, in an 18 mile race i did about 2 months ago...i hit the 10K at
39 min....finished at 2:08 and 7:07 min/mile. i was going for a sub 3
and that 42:36 felt like 85% - 90% effort.

Quoted message said:

your HM split 1:32 would still have been a tad too fast for

your stated goal of 3:09
___

anders, I've been PR'ing all Spring & Summer and hitting never before
realized plateaus....just tried to make it happen one more time and
pushed the envelope....I knew what I was doing.

Quoted message said:

This is the ending to your race that I prophesized to you: when the

muscles that haven't really and regularly put to work during three or
more weeks are put to a heavy task, the central nervous system (or the
central governer Noakes describes) will interfere sooner rather than
later by producing cramps or spasms that will make you stop or slow
down severely.
____

That's exactly to the letter what happend to me....all triggered from
the incline and decline of that bridge and the muscular challenge it
imposed on me. Damn...I might have to spend the $50 USD on Noakes book
🙂

Quoted message said:

The only way to avoid such a fate is to run far below your ability -

and I'm pretty sure that accepting a 3:40-50 pace and running a
"Marathon Light" with resignation could never be an option for you.
__

Anders knows me well...

Quoted message said:

That said, you lasted 22.5% further than I expected:-)

Thanks anders....for that and the Noakes insight.

Quoted message said:

This race made me clearly see I am so behind the curve...and I need to
get married ASAP and have a kid and let them become the runner i the
family.

whoa. careful. be very careful. let the muscle relaxants and the
endocannabinoids wear off.

Good luck in January.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This is the ending to your race that I prophesized to you: when the

muscles that haven't really and regularly put to work during three or
more weeks are put to a heavy task, the central nervous system (or the
central governer Noakes describes) will interfere sooner rather than
later by producing cramps or spasms that will make you stop or slow
down severely.
____

That's exactly to the letter what happend to me....all triggered from
the incline and decline of that bridge and the muscular challenge it
imposed on me. Damn...I might have to spend the $50 USD on Noakes book
🙂

Goddam. I plunked down $19 on Amazon for the paperback...just started
reading it two days ago...just working through the first 30 pages where
he lays some groundwork for the central governor...I almost posted the
same thing.

did not know it was in paperback for $19....wow...i am ordering today.
thanks for the tip.

lance said:

I wanted to DNF...I just wanted to get off the course at 17-18 and
call it a day. But...I promised the Marathon medal to a kid in my
neighborhood....and that is the only reason I did not DNF.

Hey lance, I missed this in my 20 second skim last night and admit to
wondering "why the hell did he kill himself just to finish" - but
sticking it out for a neighborhood kid: you, sir, were a real mensch!

I never figured we'd run into each other among the 37k runners and 2M
crowd, but in fact if your pit stop just after the bridge was
*seriously* long, we may have been momentary neighbors.

Pendejo, wishing you a speedy recovery. Oh, and did you bust out the
wine afterwards? Anything special?

Lance: Great effort there, even when the body was willing. The others
have beaten you up enough about your strategy and so on, so I'll just
remind you that I, too, know what it's like to run out of mojo at the
NYCM. Good on you for getting through it, and getting that medal for
your neighbor kid.

Thanks for the report!
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