Conflict rules?

Another group member said:

Best regards,
John.

Other than advertisements, and the occasional post defending your actions,
have you ever posted anything to the group? The group is about much more
than just debate, what about advice? Ride reports? Reviews?

On 19/11/04 12:50 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Another group member"

Quoted message said:

I own a car and its a Volvo, but fail to see why this also gets me messages
of ridicule. You should see the wide berth I give cyclists on the road when
I am driving my car!

You are Guy and ICMFP!

...d

Another group member said:

lack of helmet use can be turned into such lengthy-I was going to say
debate-but that makes it sound sensible, which of course in my own view it
is not.

Well, there's your problem: your view is dramatically different from
quite a few other people's. Helmet use, if made compulsory in the UK
(which you seem to think is a good idea) stands a very good chance of
damaging the nation's public health by reducing cycling. And what
evidence do I have for this? The evidence that that is just what *has
happened* everywhere such laws have been introduced.

This is a serious matter and directly concerns cycling and cyclists, so
it's ripe for discussion. That it comes up so often is because people
keep on popping up and starting in the same old places again and again
and since it really is important (actually a matter of life and death)
it is felt necessary by some, me amongst them, to retread the same
material /again/. I'd very much like not to, but it's too important to
let it go.

Quoted message said:

I own a car and its a Volvo, but fail to see why this also gets me messages
of ridicule.

My last car was a 740GL, nobody ridiculed me about it. Guy Chapman,
IIRC, drives a V70. I don't think he gets too much abuse about it, so
you can move driving and Volvos off the list of things that generate
problematical feedback. Perhaps there's something else causing it?

Quoted message said:

I do believe in live and let live, but sometimes I shudder to think what
some of you on here do with your lives. I do hope that new viewers if that
is the correct term can be helped not hindered by some of the inane and
futile talk on here.

[censored] about people in front of their faces: well, that's /really/
going to help everyone be friends, isn't it? <sigh>

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Another group member said:

If as I am led to believe, this list is about cycles and cycling and to help
others, why not have long debates that make at least some sort of sense?

Why not indeed. Feel free to start us off.

James
--
If I have seen further than others, it is
by treading on the toes of giants.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

Another group member said:

I do believe in live and let live, but sometimes I shudder to think what
some of you on here do with your lives. I do hope that new viewers if that
is the correct term can be helped not hindered by some of the inane and
futile talk on here.

Executive summary: you hold the group and its regulars in contempt,
but can just about bring yourself to come here when you have something
to sell.

Keep digging ;-)

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:50:29 GMT someone who may be "Another group
member" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I cannot for the life of me understand why mobiles used by car drivers and
lack of helmet use can be turned into such lengthy-I was going to say
debate-but that makes it sound sensible, which of course in my own view it
is not. [snip]

Quoted message said:

I do believe in live and let live,

Then do so and simply avoid threads you don't like.

Quoted message said:

but sometimes I shudder to think what
some of you on here do with your lives.

The tabloid journalist approach. Instead of discussing the issues,
discuss the people. No thanks.

Quoted message said:

I do hope that new viewers if that
is the correct term can be helped not hindered by some of the inane and
futile talk on here.

Many have indeed been helped by the "inane and futile talk". They
have for instance understood the helmet issue better.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

Hi,
All my bike interests and family too are on my webpages. I get approx 200
hits daily Worldwide.
I will endevour to waste time and effort in the future to report on my
rides. What can one say about a 30 mile ride amongst beautiful countryside
along muddy lanes overtaken on occasion by cars and other 'cyclists'?
Ah well I will give it a go.
John.

--
http://www.pbase.com/john28july

"Simonb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Another group member said:

Best regards,
John.

Other than advertisements, and the occasional post defending your actions,
have you ever posted anything to the group? The group is about much more
than just debate, what about advice? Ride reports? Reviews?

What does ICMFP mean?
John.

--
http://www.pbase.com/john28july

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 19/11/04 12:50 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Another group member"

Quoted message said:

I own a car and its a Volvo, but fail to see why this also gets me
messages
of ridicule. You should see the wide berth I give cyclists on the road
when
I am driving my car!

You are Guy and ICMFP!

..d

David Martin said:

You are Guy and ICMFP!

Darn. Busted!

Another group member said:

What does ICMFP mean?

I Claim My Five Pounds.

Hello, How many bikes to people own. I mean how many used by one person
alone, not family bikes in total? I have (lested below)
Moulton F frame (one off Stowaway special 4 speed)
Moulton F frame
Brompton T 6
Brompton L 6 (SP)
Microluxe 5 speed
Dawes One Down Tourer
I have owned amongst others too many to mention
Colnago, Pinerello,Nigel Dean,Witcombe,Dawes Galaxy, Moulton AM (a number),
Thorn Nomad, Gianmt Terrago, Giant Tourer, Birdy Red, Birdy Blue and so it
goes on..
Most times I have sold my bikes because of my back injuries which sometimes
become so bad that I feel I will never ride again. Having bikes in the home
when faced with this is very depressing so I get rid of them. Most tiimes
having regreted my actions and when feeling more strength I start replacing,
and so the cycle (pun?) goes.
I love camping and very often go off all year round mainly by car nowadays
or sometimes by train with a Brompton or such. I can enjoy outdoors anytime
of year, rain, shine or whatever.
My feeling is that I have too little life to do all I sshould like, so I
concentrate on cycles and cycling.
My wife says I live , dream all the time about bikes. So what?
Time for others to make a list.
John. A PS more can be seen of me and my life as previously mentioned, on
my webpages.

--

http://www.pbase.com/john28july

"James Annan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Another group member said:

If as I am led to believe, this list is about cycles and cycling and to
help others, why not have long debates that make at least some sort of
sense?

Why not indeed. Feel free to start us off.

James
--
If I have seen further than others, it is
by treading on the toes of giants.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

Another group member said:

Hello, How many bikes to people own. I mean how many used by one person
alone, not family bikes in total? I have (lested below)
Moulton F frame (one off Stowaway special 4 speed)
Moulton F frame
Brompton T 6
Brompton L 6 (SP)
Microluxe 5 speed
Dawes One Down Tourer

Hmm, at the moment I have:
EBC Tourer (rebadged Dawes Horizon)
Gary Fisher 29er MTB
Brompton T5 --- though at the moment it's been regraded to an L3 until I
can get the SA 5-speed hub fixed. Maybe it'll become an T8 or L8 when
the SA 8-speed for Bromptons become available---probably with a SON XS
just to make it ridiculously over the top.
Dutch Speed bike home-built recumbent.
Two frames waiting to be turned into other things. One's becoming a
fixed, the other might become a limited gear (just a rear cassette or
maybe a hub gear) hack bike.

Colin

Clive George said:

"Another group member" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Would a recumbent help you with your back problems?

I seem to remember John looking for and trying a recumbent trike
(Pashley?) some time ago.

He sold it! (I assume it didn't suit him.)

Colin

"Another group member" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Most times I have sold my bikes because of my back injuries which

sometimes

Quoted message said:

become so bad that I feel I will never ride again. Having bikes in the

home

Quoted message said:

when faced with this is very depressing so I get rid of them. Most tiimes
having regreted my actions and when feeling more strength I start

replacing,

Quoted message said:

and so the cycle (pun?) goes.

Would a recumbent help you with your back problems?

cheers,
clive

Clive George said:

Would a recumbent help you with your back problems?

Not a PDQubed, IIRC, but of course there are lots of different styles
which seat the rider quite differently to that, so ruling them all out
from one bad experience may be premature. Perhaps a trip to D-Tek for a
larger range to try out rather than sizing things up just on paper might
be a Cunning Plan.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Colin Blackburn said:

Another group member said:

Hello, How many bikes to people own. I mean how many used by one
person alone, not family bikes in total? I have (lested below)
Moulton F frame (one off Stowaway special 4 speed)
Moulton F frame
Brompton T 6
Brompton L 6 (SP)
Microluxe 5 speed
Dawes One Down Tourer

Hmm, at the moment I have:
EBC Tourer (rebadged Dawes Horizon)
Gary Fisher 29er MTB
Brompton T5 --- though at the moment it's been regraded to an L3 until I
can get the SA 5-speed hub fixed. Maybe it'll become an T8 or L8 when
the SA 8-speed for Bromptons become available---probably with a SON XS
just to make it ridiculously over the top.
Dutch Speed bike home-built recumbent.
Two frames waiting to be turned into other things. One's becoming a
fixed, the other might become a limited gear (just a rear cassette or
maybe a hub gear) hack bike.

I have taken the liberty of cross posting this to
uk.wreck.bicycles.thieves ;-)

Tony

Another group member said:

Most times I have sold my bikes because of my back injuries which sometimes
become so bad that I feel I will never ride again. Having bikes in the home
when faced with this is very depressing so I get rid of them. Most tiimes
having regreted my actions and when feeling more strength I start replacing,
and so the cycle (pun?) goes.

Purely as a public service John, when you are in the former phase, send
you bikes to me and then when you move in to the latter phase you can
ask for them back ;-)

Tony

Just zis Guy said:

Another group member said:

I do believe in live and let live, but sometimes I shudder to think what
some of you on here do with your lives. I do hope that new viewers if that
is the correct term can be helped not hindered by some of the inane and
futile talk on here.

Executive summary: you hold the group and its regulars in contempt,
but can just about bring yourself to come here when you have something
to sell.

Keep digging ;-)

Guy

I think the solution here is for Guy to killfile John and John to
killfile Guy. See, world peace is easy really ;-)

Tony

Geraint Jones said:

"Another group member" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Hello, How many bikes to people own. I mean how many used by one person
| alone, not family bikes in total? I have (lested below)
| <many>

Whilst one can never have too many bicycles[tm] it is
not necessary (or indeed advisable in polite society)
to indulge in [censored] waving about how many one has.

How do I coun't Igor? Is that one, two or three?

Apart from that I have various in different states of quality and
usefulness.

...d