On May 30, 12:01 pm, Enoch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Enoch wrote:
> > > On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
> > >>>>> between trail users.
> > >>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
> > >>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
> > >>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
> > >>> bothering you?
> > >> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
> > >> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>
> > >>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
> > >>> E.P.
> > >> --
> > >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> > >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> > >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> > >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> > >>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> > > I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
> > > backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
> > > a park or open space maintenance forum.
>
> > Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
> > discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
> > Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>
> > Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
> > backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
> > gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
> > froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
> > there, except for himself apparently.
>
> > Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>
> Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
> where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
> opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
> filter folks out, thanks.
Ok, so I can't figure out how to filter users. It was worth a try,
thanks.
On May 30, 12:25 pm, Enoch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 30, 12:01 pm, Enoch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Enoch wrote:
> > > > On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
> > > >>>>> between trail users.
> > > >>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
> > > >>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
> > > >>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why arethey
> > > >>> bothering you?
> > > >> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
> > > >> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>
> > > >>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
> > > >>> E.P.
> > > >> --
> > > >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> > > >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> > > >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> > > >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> > > >>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> > > > I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
> > > > backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
> > > > a park or open space maintenance forum.
>
> > > Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
> > > discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
> > > Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>
> > > Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
> > > backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
> > > gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
> > > froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
> > > there, except for himself apparently.
>
> > > Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>
> > Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
> > where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
> > opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
> > filter folks out, thanks.
>
> Ok, so I can't figure out how to filter users. It was worth a try,
> thanks.
Use you primary filter - when you see a thread or a poster that you
know will be filled with stuff you don't want to read, don't click on
it.
Simple. Solves problem. Doesn't require you to attempt to change the
behavior of anyone except yourself.
Enoch wrote:
> On May 30, 12:01 pm, Enoch <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Enoch wrote:
>>>> On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
>>>>>>>> between trail users.
>>>>>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
>>>>>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>>>>>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
>>>>>> bothering you?
>>>>> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
>>>>> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>>>>>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>>>>>> E.P.
>>>>> --
>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>> I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
>>>> backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
>>>> a park or open space maintenance forum.
>>> Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
>>> discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
>>> Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>>> Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
>>> backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
>>> gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
>>> froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
>>> there, except for himself apparently.
>>> Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>> Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
>> where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
>> opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
>> filter folks out, thanks.
>
> Ok, so I can't figure out how to filter users. It was worth a try,
> thanks.
Use a mail/Usenet reader like Thunderbird, that has Email and Usenet
filter features built in. There are others, that's just what I use
because I like the Firefox browser.
On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:12:01 -0500, PatOConnell
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Enoch wrote:
>> On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>>
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
>>>>>> between trail users.
>>>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
>>>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>>>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
>>>> bothering you?
>>> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
>>> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>>>
>>>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>>>> E.P.
>>> --
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
>> backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
>> a park or open space maintenance forum.
>
>Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
>discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
>Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>
>Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
>backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
>gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
>froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
>there, except for himself apparently.
#1 rule of the internet: Mountain bikers never tell the truth.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Enoch <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Enoch wrote:
>> > On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
>> >>>>> between trail users.
>> >>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
>> >>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>> >>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
>> >>> bothering you?
>> >> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
>> >> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>>
>> >>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>> >>> E.P.
>> >> --
>> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> >>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> > I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
>> > backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
>> > a park or open space maintenance forum.
>>
>> Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
>> discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
>> Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>>
>> Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
>> backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
>> gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
>> froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
>> there, except for himself apparently.
>>
>> Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>
>Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
>where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
>opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
>filter folks out, thanks.
Why not just put blinders on and put your fingers in your ears? It
would make as much sense. If yu don't want to learn anything new, you
are in the wrong place....
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >scientific research?
>>
>> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >occasions
>>
>> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
>Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>option.
No, I just asked them. DUH!
--
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >occasions
>
> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >option.
>
> No, I just asked them. DUH!
Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
stuff you just made up.
On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >option.
>>
>> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
>Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>stuff you just made up.
Whatever. Ask them yourself! I know you won't, because you don't want
to admit the truth.
>E.P.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >option.
>
> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >stuff you just made up.
>
> Whatever.
Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >option.
>>
>> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> Whatever.
>
>Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
It's okay. I know that mountain bikers can't understand people who
tell the truth, because they wouldn't be caught dead doing it.
>E.P.
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> Whatever.
>
> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> It's okay.
Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> It's okay.
>
>Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
>that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
YOU are the liar. Everything I said is true, and EASILY VERIFIABLE by
anyone who cares to check, which obviously doesn't include you.
>E.P.
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> >> Whatever.
>
> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> >> It's okay.
>
> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> Everything I said is true...
A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
real truth - that you just plain made it up.
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> >> It's okay.
>>
>> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
>> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> Everything I said is true...
>
>A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
>authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
>discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
>real truth - that you just plain made it up.
Thanks for demonstrating that mountain bikers don't care about the
truth. You should do your own research, so you don't have to look like
the fool you are.
>E.P.
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On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as inactual
> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether ornot they
> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> >> >> Whatever.
>
> >> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> >> >> It's okay.
>
> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
> >> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> >> Everything I said is true...
>
> >A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
> >discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>
> You should do your own research...
I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
any kind.
Remember, we're talking about the actual researchers, not the guy that
did the review article.
Which is why I used that term originally.
So prove it, Mike. Prove that any of those researchers owns a bike.
Or make something else up, or change the subject. Like you always do
when someone smarter than you calls you on your BS.
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> >> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> >> >> It's okay.
>>
>> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
>> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>> >> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> >> Everything I said is true...
>>
>> >A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
>> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
>> >discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
>> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>>
>> You should do your own research...
>
>I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
>a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
>any kind.
But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them
themselves. AND DID YOU? OF COURSE NOT, because you don't really waht
the truth.
>Remember, we're talking about the actual researchers, not the guy that
>did the review article.
>
>Which is why I used that term originally.
>
>So prove it, Mike. Prove that any of those researchers owns a bike.
>
>Or make something else up, or change the subject. Like you always do
>when someone smarter than you calls you on your BS.
But not smart enough to send an email?
>E.P.
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On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> >> >> >> Whatever.
>
> >> >> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> >> >> >> It's okay.
>
> >> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
> >> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
> >> >> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> >> >> Everything I said is true...
>
> >> >A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
> >> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
> >> >discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
> >> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>
> >> You should do your own research...
>
> >I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
> >a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
> >any kind.
>
> But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them
> themselves. AND DID YOU?
Yes, I did.
Not one of them replied in the affirmative.
Checking up on your fabrications is trivial, Mike. Why bother making
stuff up that's so easily refuted?
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>> >> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> >> >> >> It's okay.
>>
>> >> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
>> >> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>> >> >> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> >> >> Everything I said is true...
>>
>> >> >A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
>> >> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
>> >> >discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
>> >> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>>
>> >> You should do your own research...
>>
>> >I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
>> >a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
>> >any kind.
>>
>> But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them
>> themselves. AND DID YOU?
>
>Yes, I did.
>
>Not one of them replied in the affirmative.
Now they aren't even being honest! I ugess they are gun-shy from
having their bad "research" exposed. Did you expect a mountain biker
to be HONEST?!!!
>Checking up on your fabrications is trivial, Mike. Why bother making
>stuff up that's so easily refuted?
>
>E.P.
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On May 29, 6:44 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
> >The evidence has already been provided.
>
> BS. Unless you can provide some real evidence, you are just LYING
> again.
On Jun 3, 9:52 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Whatever.
>
> >> >> >> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >> >> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >> >> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> >> >> >> >> It's okay.
>
> >> >> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
> >> >> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
> >> >> >> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> >> >> >> Everything I said is true...
>
> >> >> >A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
> >> >> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
> >> >> >discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
> >> >> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>
> >> >> You should do your own research...
>
> >> >I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
> >> >a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
> >> >any kind.
>
> >> But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them
> >> themselves. AND DID YOU?
>
> >Yes, I did.
>
> >Not one of them replied in the affirmative.
>
> Now they aren't even being honest!
By what standard? Your imaginary conspiracy of MTBers flooding the
peer-reviewed literature with pro-MTB propaganda?
LOL.
The word "logic" and "Vandeman" should never appear in the same
newsgroup together.
