colloidial silver

OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that reading someone
else's research will not count. Did you use it? How long? What was your
medical history prior to using it? What was your medical history after using
it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did you take it?
If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do research? How many
people were in your study? How did you control the research? Did you publish
your research?
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I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent research
into CS ? I think no.

You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to indicate that
taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.

did you bother *interviewing* people who take CS and swear by it ?

That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to say that
you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet connection you
know.
Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
dream-world that you live in.
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Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official
research".

Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for you,
except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just anecdotal
evidence and sales hype. Like I said.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things

here

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and

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> there.

Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a benefit

in

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humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll

leave

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some space:

[]

Any room you have left over can be used for doodling.

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I understand now. You have not seen any such people. You could be up-front
and honest , and simply say so, but you attempt to deflect the debate.
You are too easy.

Whether I have ever seen anyone with Argyria isiirrelevant. The fact is that
it exists, and it is the result of long term use of CS.

http://together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

http://asthma.about.com/library/weekly/aa081699.htm

http://tinyurl.com/yqr8a

http://www.rense.com/general12/blueasdf.htm

http://seercom.com/bcs/resources/skeptopaedia/c/colloidal_silver.html

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/col_0289.shtml

http://spl.haxial.net/colloidal-silver/

http://www.canoe.ca/HealthAlternativeColumns/010108.html

http://tcm.health-info.org/food%20cure/colloidalsilver.htm

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Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I doubt

it.

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Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and

getting

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very few infections along the way.

Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?

Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did not

get

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infections?

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That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to say that
you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet connection

you

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know.

Why do you ASSume that I have not? It is fallacious to make such ASSumption
meerly because I have disagreed with you. You claim it is effective. Now,
post something other than blather toprove it. Remember, anecdotes, sales
hypes etc. do not count, as there is no way to independetly verify them.

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Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
dream-world that you live in.

Experience can only go so far. AFAIAC, it does not prove the effectiveness
of CS. Nopw, try to post soemthing that shows it is safe, effective and
produces the results that are claimed. Also, make sure that you avoid
anecdotes and saleshype.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official
research".

Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for

you,

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except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just anecdotal
evidence and sales hype. Like I said.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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>
> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things

here

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and
> > there.
>
> Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a

benefit

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in

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> humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll

leave

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> some space:
>
> []
>
> Any room you have left over can be used for doodling.
>
>
>

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OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that reading someone
else's research will not count.

Of course it does. It is done all the time in RealMedicine. Of cours,e in
FantasyMedicine, it is not done.

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Did you use it? How long? What was your
medical history prior to using it? What was your medical history after

using

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it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did you take it?
If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do research? How

many

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people were in your study? How did you control the research? Did you

publish

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your research?

How about publishing YOURS, and providing some evidence, other than saleshyp
and anecdotes that it is safe, effective, and provides the benefits that are
claimed.

Of course, you have been avoiding doing so because you know you cannot.

IOW, weaseling.

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I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent research
into CS ? I think no.

You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to indicate that
taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.

did you bother *interviewing* people who take CS and swear by it ?

Ok, so "Facts" do not come from actual experience. Do you happen to know how
much was used and for how long in your "factual" accounting? While you are
at it, how do you know that what you read is factual?
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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I understand now. You have not seen any such people. You could be

up-front

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and honest , and simply say so, but you attempt to deflect the debate.
You are too easy.

Whether I have ever seen anyone with Argyria isiirrelevant. The fact is

that

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it exists, and it is the result of long term use of CS.

http://together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

http://asthma.about.com/library/weekly/aa081699.htm

http://tinyurl.com/yqr8a

http://www.rense.com/general12/blueasdf.htm

http://seercom.com/bcs/resources/skeptopaedia/c/colloidal_silver.html

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/col_0289.shtml

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http://spl.haxial.net/colloidal-silver/

http://www.canoe.ca/HealthAlternativeColumns/010108.html

http://tcm.health-info.org/food%20cure/colloidalsilver.htm

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I

doubt

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it.

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> Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and
getting
> very few infections along the way.

Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?

Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did

not

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get

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infections?

Sorry, it's not my job to convince you of anything. And, your idea of
research is skewed. DID you ever use it? Do you know anyone who has? Did you
read something and call it "research"? What research have you done?
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to say

that

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you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet connection

you

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know.

Why do you ASSume that I have not? It is fallacious to make such

ASSumption

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meerly because I have disagreed with you. You claim it is effective. Now,
post something other than blather toprove it. Remember, anecdotes, sales
hypes etc. do not count, as there is no way to independetly verify them.

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Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
dream-world that you live in.

Experience can only go so far. AFAIAC, it does not prove the effectiveness
of CS. Nopw, try to post soemthing that shows it is safe, effective and
produces the results that are claimed. Also, make sure that you avoid
anecdotes and saleshype.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official
> research".

Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for

you,

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except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just anecdotal
evidence and sales hype. Like I said.

> "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

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wrote

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> >
> > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > Please tell us what research you did, other than read some

things

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here

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> and
> > > there.
> >
> > Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a

benefit

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in

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> > humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales hype.

I'll

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Ok, so "Facts" do not come from actual experience. Do you happen to know

how

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much was used and for how long in your "factual" accounting? While you are
at it, how do you know that what you read is factual?

Consistency with other sources and review of Medline citations located with
a simple seach for "argyria colloidal silver."

All scientific sources state that there is no proof that it provides any
benefit in humans. The ones claiming scientific proof do not cite human
studies.

I also note that the only ones who hype its usefullness are selling it. That
is often a dead giveaway that the product does not do what the hucksters
purport it to do.

Now, let's get back to your total inability to post any real proof
whatsoever that it is effective in humans. you seem to be avoiding this like
it has something icky about it.

Just do not use anecdotes, testiMOANials, or sales hype.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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I understand now. You have not seen any such people. You could be

up-front

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and honest , and simply say so, but you attempt to deflect the debate.
You are too easy.

Whether I have ever seen anyone with Argyria isiirrelevant. The fact is

that

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it exists, and it is the result of long term use of CS.

http://together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

http://asthma.about.com/library/weekly/aa081699.htm

http://tinyurl.com/yqr8a

http://www.rense.com/general12/blueasdf.htm

http://seercom.com/bcs/resources/skeptopaedia/c/colloidal_silver.html

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/col_0289.shtml

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http://spl.haxial.net/colloidal-silver/

http://www.canoe.ca/HealthAlternativeColumns/010108.html

http://tcm.health-info.org/food%20cure/colloidalsilver.htm

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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>
> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I

doubt

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it.
> > Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue,

and

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> getting
> > very few infections along the way.
>
> Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?
>
> Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did

not

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get
> infections?
>
>
>

Sorry, but it looks like you would not know "RealMedicine" or research if it
hit you in the ass.
Well, since in your fantasy world, experience does not count. And, in my
reality based world, reading is not research, we cannot debate.
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that reading someone
else's research will not count.

Of course it does. It is done all the time in RealMedicine. Of cours,e in
FantasyMedicine, it is not done.

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Did you use it? How long? What was your
medical history prior to using it? What was your medical history after

using

Quoted message said:

it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did you take it?
If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do research? How

many

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people were in your study? How did you control the research? Did you

publish

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your research?

How about publishing YOURS, and providing some evidence, other than

saleshyp

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and anecdotes that it is safe, effective, and provides the benefits that

are

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claimed.

Of course, you have been avoiding doing so because you know you cannot.

IOW, weaseling.

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>I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent research
>into CS ? I think no.

You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to indicate that
taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.

did you bother *interviewing* people who take CS and swear by it ?

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That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to say that
you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet connection you
know.
Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
dream-world that you live in.

This top-posting Ass-Clown bears a resemblance to Med(S)tools.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official
research".

Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for you,
except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just anecdotal
evidence and sales hype. Like I said.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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>
> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things

here

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and
> > there.
>
> Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a benefit

in

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> humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll

leave

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> some space:
>
> []
>
> Any room you have left over can be used for doodling.
>
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>

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Sorry, it's not my job to convince you of anything.

YOU are claiming a benefit, it is up to YOU to prove it. Thus, this comment
by you is taken as tacit admission that you have no proof. Fair enough.

And, your idea of

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research is skewed. DID you ever use it? Do you know anyone who has? Did

you

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read something and call it "research"? What research have you done?

I do not have to jump off a bridge to know it is bad for me. I do not have
to actually witness someone doing it to know that is is not a good idea.
Thus, personal expereince is a bogus means of proof.

Now, let's get back to you providing some proof. Remember, anecdotes,
testiMOANials, and sales hype do not count. Are you afraid to post it?

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That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to say

that

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you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet

connection

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you

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know.

Why do you ASSume that I have not? It is fallacious to make such

ASSumption

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meerly because I have disagreed with you. You claim it is effective.

Now,

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post something other than blather toprove it. Remember, anecdotes, sales
hypes etc. do not count, as there is no way to independetly verify them.

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Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
dream-world that you live in.

Experience can only go so far. AFAIAC, it does not prove the

effectiveness

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of CS. Nopw, try to post soemthing that shows it is safe, effective and
produces the results that are claimed. Also, make sure that you avoid
anecdotes and saleshype.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not

official

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>
> Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for

you,

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> except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just

anecdotal

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things

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here
> > and
> > > > there.
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benefit

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in
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I'll

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Sorry, but it looks like you would not know "RealMedicine" or research if

it

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hit you in the ass.

I was waiting for something like this. Alties are soooooo predictable.....

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Well, since in your fantasy world, experience does not count. And, in my
reality based world, reading is not research, we cannot debate.

IOW, you now admit that you have no proof that your chemical concoction does
anything. Let's leave it at that.

Thanks for the exercise. Now to work on my other pinkie.

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OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that reading

someone

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else's research will not count.

Of course it does. It is done all the time in RealMedicine. Of cours,e

in

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FantasyMedicine, it is not done.

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Did you use it? How long? What was your
medical history prior to using it? What was your medical history after

using

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it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did you take

it?

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If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do research?

How

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many

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people were in your study? How did you control the research? Did you

publish

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your research?

How about publishing YOURS, and providing some evidence, other than

saleshyp

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and anecdotes that it is safe, effective, and provides the benefits that

are

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claimed.

Of course, you have been avoiding doing so because you know you cannot.

IOW, weaseling.

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> >I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent

research

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>
> You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to indicate

that

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> taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.
>
> did you bother *interviewing* people who take CS and swear by it ?

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That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to say

that

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you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet connection

you

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know.
Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
dream-world that you live in.

This top-posting Ass-Clown bears a resemblance to Med(S)tools.

MT is far smarter.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official
> research".

Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for

you,

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except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just anecdotal
evidence and sales hype. Like I said.

> "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> in message news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things

here

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> and
> > > there.
> >
> > Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a

benefit

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in

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> > humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll
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tsk tsk tsk

Again, you fail to post proof. You are ont he verge of making NoniJuice
salescritters appear smart.

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Sorry, it's not my job to convince you of anything.

YOU are claiming a benefit, it is up to YOU to prove it. Thus, this

comment

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by you is taken as tacit admission that you have no proof. Fair enough.

And, your idea of

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research is skewed. DID you ever use it? Do you know anyone who has?

Did

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you

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read something and call it "research"? What research have you done?

I do not have to jump off a bridge to know it is bad for me. I do not

have

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to actually witness someone doing it to know that is is not a good idea.
Thus, personal expereince is a bogus means of proof.

Now, let's get back to you providing some proof. Remember, anecdotes,
testiMOANials, and sales hype do not count. Are you afraid to post it?

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wrote

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>
> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
> > How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to

say

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that
> > you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet

connection

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> you
> > know.
>
> Why do you ASSume that I have not? It is fallacious to make such
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> meerly because I have disagreed with you. You claim it is effective.

Now,

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> post something other than blather toprove it. Remember, anecdotes,

sales

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> hypes etc. do not count, as there is no way to independetly verify

them.

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>
> > Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one

fine

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> > dream-world that you live in.
>
> Experience can only go so far. AFAIAC, it does not prove the

effectiveness

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> of CS. Nopw, try to post soemthing that shows it is safe, effective

and

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> produces the results that are claimed. Also, make sure that you

avoid

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> anecdotes and saleshype.
>
>
> > "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004"

<[email hidden]>

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> > > > Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not

official

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> > > > research".
> > >
> > > Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything

for

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> you,
> > > except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just

anecdotal

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> > > evidence and sales hype. Like I said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > > "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004"

<[email hidden]>

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> > > > > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > > > > Please tell us what research you did, other than read some
things
> > here
> > > > and
> > > > > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has

a

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> benefit
> > in
> > > > > humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales

hype.

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tsk tsk tsk
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Sorry, it's not my job to convince you of anything.

YOU are claiming a benefit, it is up to YOU to prove it. Thus, this

comment

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by you is taken as tacit admission that you have no proof. Fair enough.

And, your idea of

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research is skewed. DID you ever use it? Do you know anyone who has? Did

you

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read something and call it "research"? What research have you done?

I do not have to jump off a bridge to know it is bad for me. I do not have
to actually witness someone doing it to know that is is not a good idea.
Thus, personal expereince is a bogus means of proof.

Now, let's get back to you providing some proof. Remember, anecdotes,
testiMOANials, and sales hype do not count. Are you afraid to post it?

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
> How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to

say

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that

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> you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet

connection

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you
> know.

Why do you ASSume that I have not? It is fallacious to make such

ASSumption

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meerly because I have disagreed with you. You claim it is effective.

Now,

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post something other than blather toprove it. Remember, anecdotes,

sales

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hypes etc. do not count, as there is no way to independetly verify

them.

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> Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
> dream-world that you live in.

Experience can only go so far. AFAIAC, it does not prove the

effectiveness

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of CS. Nopw, try to post soemthing that shows it is safe, effective

and

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produces the results that are claimed. Also, make sure that you avoid
anecdotes and saleshype.

> "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> in message news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not

official

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> > > research".
> >
> > Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything

for

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you,
> > except lighten your wallet. IOW, there is no research, just

anecdotal

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> > evidence and sales hype. Like I said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004"

<[email hidden]>

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> > > > > Please tell us what research you did, other than read some

things

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> here
> > > and
> > > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a
benefit
> in
> > > > humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales hype.

I'll

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> > > > some space:
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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>

Do you ever injure yourself patting your own back? Having trouble finding
enough other people to do huh?
So I'm an "Altie"? That sound good, thank you.
If I meant in other words, I would have typed other words. Have you had this
comprehension problem long?
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Sorry, but it looks like you would not know "RealMedicine" or research

if

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it

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hit you in the ass.

I was waiting for something like this. Alties are soooooo predictable.....

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Well, since in your fantasy world, experience does not count. And, in my
reality based world, reading is not research, we cannot debate.

IOW, you now admit that you have no proof that your chemical concoction

does

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anything. Let's leave it at that.

Thanks for the exercise. Now to work on my other pinkie.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that reading

someone

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> else's research will not count.

Of course it does. It is done all the time in RealMedicine. Of cours,e

in

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FantasyMedicine, it is not done.

> Did you use it? How long? What was your
> medical history prior to using it? What was your medical history

after

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using
> it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did you take

it?

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> If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do research?

How

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many
> people were in your study? How did you control the research? Did you
publish
> your research?

How about publishing YOURS, and providing some evidence, other than

saleshyp

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and anecdotes that it is safe, effective, and provides the benefits

that

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are

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claimed.

Of course, you have been avoiding doing so because you know you

cannot.

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IOW, weaseling.

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> >
> > >I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent

research

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> > >into CS ? I think no.
> >
> > You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to indicate

that

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> > taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.
> >
> > did you bother *interviewing* people who take CS and swear by it ?
>
>

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Do you ever injure yourself patting your own back? Having trouble finding
enough other people to do huh?
So I'm an "Altie"? That sound good, thank you.
If I meant in other words, I would have typed other words. Have you had

this

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comprehension problem long?

Still cannot post anything that will prove CS is safe and effective? Sad,
that. Just make sure that if you decide to provide some proof, it should not
be anecdotes, testiMOANials, or sales hype.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Sorry, but it looks like you would not know "RealMedicine" or research

if

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it

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hit you in the ass.

I was waiting for something like this. Alties are soooooo

predictable.....

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Well, since in your fantasy world, experience does not count. And, in

my

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reality based world, reading is not research, we cannot debate.

IOW, you now admit that you have no proof that your chemical concoction

does

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anything. Let's leave it at that.

Thanks for the exercise. Now to work on my other pinkie.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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>
> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that reading

someone

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> > else's research will not count.
>
> Of course it does. It is done all the time in RealMedicine. Of

cours,e

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in

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> FantasyMedicine, it is not done.
>
> > Did you use it? How long? What was your
> > medical history prior to using it? What was your medical history

after

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> using
> > it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did you

take

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it?

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> > If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do

research?

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How

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> many
> > people were in your study? How did you control the research? Did

you

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> publish
> > your research?
>
> How about publishing YOURS, and providing some evidence, other than
saleshyp
> and anecdotes that it is safe, effective, and provides the benefits

that

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are
> claimed.
>
> Of course, you have been avoiding doing so because you know you

cannot.

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>
> IOW, weaseling.
>
>
>
> > "XSweetSue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > >I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent

research

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> > > >into CS ? I think no.
> > >
> > > You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to

indicate

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that

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> > > taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.
> > >
> > > did you bother *interviewing* people who take CS and swear by it

?

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>

If I am supposed to feel bad that you want more than my experience, WRONG!
You want fda/fda/fffff stamp of approval on it, Me, I could not care less
about that. Worked for me, that's good enough for me. I do not care if other
people use it or not. I suppose you worry that someone else might read this,
or even talk to me about CS. I guess it wads your shorts that someone might
try it based on another's experience.Oh well.
You seem to live in a dark, suspicion filled, scary world, where everyone is
out to get lots of money, or to hurt folks. Most are not, you know?
Why are you so on about CS? People can make their own, if they drink a
gallon a day for years , and, turn blue, So what?
What exactly is your agenda with this?
Please do not reply with some lame [censored] about how you just want to save us
from the bad guys.
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Do you ever injure yourself patting your own back? Having trouble

finding

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enough other people to do huh?
So I'm an "Altie"? That sound good, thank you.
If I meant in other words, I would have typed other words. Have you had

this

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comprehension problem long?

Still cannot post anything that will prove CS is safe and effective? Sad,
that. Just make sure that if you decide to provide some proof, it should

not

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be anecdotes, testiMOANials, or sales hype.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry, but it looks like you would not know "RealMedicine" or

research

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if

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it
> hit you in the ass.

I was waiting for something like this. Alties are soooooo

predictable.....

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> Well, since in your fantasy world, experience does not count. And,

in

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my

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> reality based world, reading is not research, we cannot debate.

IOW, you now admit that you have no proof that your chemical

concoction

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does

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anything. Let's leave it at that.

Thanks for the exercise. Now to work on my other pinkie.

> "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> in message news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that reading
someone
> > > else's research will not count.
> >
> > Of course it does. It is done all the time in RealMedicine. Of

cours,e

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in
> > FantasyMedicine, it is not done.
> >
> > > Did you use it? How long? What was your
> > > medical history prior to using it? What was your medical history

after

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> > using
> > > it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did you

take

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it?
> > > If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do

research?

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How
> > many
> > > people were in your study? How did you control the research? Did

you

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> > publish
> > > your research?
> >
> > How about publishing YOURS, and providing some evidence, other

than

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> saleshyp
> > and anecdotes that it is safe, effective, and provides the

benefits

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that

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> are
> > claimed.
> >
> > Of course, you have been avoiding doing so because you know you

cannot.

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> >
> > IOW, weaseling.
> >
> >
> >
> > > "XSweetSue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > >
> > > > >I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent
research
> > > > >into CS ? I think no.
> > > >
> > > > You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to

indicate

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that
> > > > taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.
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it

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?

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If I am supposed to feel bad that you want more than my experience, WRONG!

Where did I say that you are supposeed to feel bad? I really do not care how
you feel.

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You want fda/fda/fffff stamp of approval on it,

I want some reasonable assurances that it will work as advertised and not
have any adverse effects. So far, there is no proof that it will work as
advertised or that it does not have any adverse effects.

However, I do urge the US Government to adopt a single standard for all
products, whether they be pharmaceuticals or nutritionals, where medical
claims are made.

Me, I could not care less

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about that.

Obviously.

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Worked for me, that's good enough for me. I do not care if other
people use it or not. I suppose you worry that someone else might read

this,

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or even talk to me about CS.

I often am concerned that there are those people who accept sales hype
blindly. Jan Drew does, so the proof is there.

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I guess it wads your shorts that someone might
try it based on another's experience.

Actually, no. If someone wants to be stupid enough to do this it is their
business. When they whine that they have been ripped off, or turned blue, I
note that they have been warned.

Oh well.

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You seem to live in a dark, suspicion filled, scary world, where everyone

is

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out to get lots of money, or to hurt folks.

Not so. However, when it is obvious that there is no real proof, and they
pushers of something such as CS are as resistant at providing any proof as
you are, they show their true colors.

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Most are not, you know?
Why are you so on about CS? People can make their own, if they drink a
gallon a day for years , and, turn blue, So what?

Obviously, you do not care what the consequences are of your actions.

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What exactly is your agenda with this?

My agenda is to either have a purveyor of something provie it has merit, or
show that they are pushing the equivalent of male bovine excreta.

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Please do not reply with some lame [censored] about how you just want to save us
from the bad guys.

I will reply in the manner I see fit.

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"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do you ever injure yourself patting your own back? Having trouble

finding

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enough other people to do huh?
So I'm an "Altie"? That sound good, thank you.
If I meant in other words, I would have typed other words. Have you

had

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this

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comprehension problem long?

Still cannot post anything that will prove CS is safe and effective?

Sad,

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that. Just make sure that if you decide to provide some proof, it should

not

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be anecdotes, testiMOANials, or sales hype.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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>
> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> > Sorry, but it looks like you would not know "RealMedicine" or

research

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if
> it
> > hit you in the ass.
>
> I was waiting for something like this. Alties are soooooo

predictable.....

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>
> > Well, since in your fantasy world, experience does not count. And,

in

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my

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> > reality based world, reading is not research, we cannot debate.
>
> IOW, you now admit that you have no proof that your chemical

concoction

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does
> anything. Let's leave it at that.
>
> Thanks for the exercise. Now to work on my other pinkie.
>
> > "Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004"

<[email hidden]>

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> > > > OK, exactly what research did you do? Keep in mind that

reading

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> > > > else's research will not count.
> > >
> > > Of course it does. It is done all the time in RealMedicine. Of

cours,e

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> in
> > > FantasyMedicine, it is not done.
> > >
> > > > Did you use it? How long? What was your
> > > > medical history prior to using it? What was your medical

history

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after
> > > using
> > > > it? How much did you use? How often? For what condition did

you

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take

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> it?
> > > > If you did not use it yourself, when and where did you do

research?

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> How
> > > many
> > > > people were in your study? How did you control the research?

Did

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you

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> > > publish
> > > > your research?
> > >
> > > How about publishing YOURS, and providing some evidence, other

than

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> > saleshyp
> > > and anecdotes that it is safe, effective, and provides the

benefits

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that
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> > > Of course, you have been avoiding doing so because you know you
cannot.
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> > > IOW, weaseling.
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> > > > "XSweetSue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > > > >I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any

independent

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> > > > > >into CS ? I think no.
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> > > > > You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to

indicate

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> > > > > taking colloidal silver will do anything positive for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > did you bother *interviewing* people who take CS and swear

by

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message news:[email hidden]...

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"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If I am supposed to feel bad that you want more than my experience,

WRONG!

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Where did I say that you are supposeed to feel bad? I really do not care

how

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you feel.

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You want fda/fda/fffff stamp of approval on it,

I want some reasonable assurances that it will work as advertised and not
have any adverse effects. So far, there is no proof that it will work as
advertised or that it does not have any adverse effects.

However, I do urge the US Government to adopt a single standard for all
products, whether they be pharmaceuticals or nutritionals, where medical
claims are made.

Me, I could not care less

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about that.

Obviously.

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Worked for me, that's good enough for me. I do not care if other
people use it or not. I suppose you worry that someone else might read

this,

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or even talk to me about CS.

I often am concerned that there are those people who accept sales hype
blindly. Jan Drew does, so the proof is there.

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I guess it wads your shorts that someone might
try it based on another's experience.

Actually, no. If someone wants to be stupid enough to do this it is their
business. When they whine that they have been ripped off, or turned blue,

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note that they have been warned.

Oh well.

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You seem to live in a dark, suspicion filled, scary world, where

everyone

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is

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out to get lots of money, or to hurt folks.

Not so. However, when it is obvious that there is no real proof, and they
pushers of something such as CS are as resistant at providing any proof as
you are, they show their true colors.

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Most are not, you know?
Why are you so on about CS? People can make their own, if they drink a
gallon a day for years , and, turn blue, So what?

Obviously, you do not care what the consequences are of your actions.

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What exactly is your agenda with this?

My agenda is to either have a purveyor of something provie it has merit,

or
So, You have a problem with "purveyors" of CS? Do you have a problem with
people who make their own? Do you have a problem with people who give it
away? If you have a problem with the people who make and sell CS, then may I
suggest that you take your "problem" to them. You do not even have to buy
the product. Just run down to the nearby whole-foods mkt, and copy the
addresses from the CS products. Then go home, and contact THEM with your
problem. Or, you can stay here in NG-landia, and foam at the
keyboard forever. Watch out for ulcers.

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show that they are pushing the equivalent of male bovine excreta.

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Please do not reply with some lame [censored] about how you just want to save

us

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from the bad guys.

I will reply in the manner I see fit.