Coke Zero

Laura said:

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Laura said:

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Laura said:

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Laura said:

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Laura said:

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Laura said:

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Doug Freyburger said:

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Actually, if it is off patent (which I am pretty sure it is), another
company can just open a factory and make it. That's what the Holland
Sweetener company was doing with aspartame. They actually had a better
process for making in (relative to Monsanto), and opened a small
factory while on patent, with expansion plans. Coke, Pepsi & Monsanto
kinda screwed them over (and it was still important to have the
NutraSweet logo on the can), so it didn't work out, but, there's
nothing to say that it has to play that way again.

Hollywood, the LC Corporate Strategy Professor.

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Doug Freyburger said:

It wouldn't be all that surprising for a company to repackage.
The folks who make the pure product pull the supply from
companies that resell it pure, but they don't seem to do that
with companies that resell it with fillers. It would have to
be a low-profit venture to compete with directly supplied
Splenda.

Actually, if it is off patent (which I am pretty sure it is), another
company can just open a factory and make it.

There's a built up market demand for liquid sucralose
that is not being filled. Every so often a small company
will pop up to sell it then get shot down. As soon as the
patent expires the next small company to do so will no
longer get shot down because that sort of leverage won't
exist any more. This is why I think the patent is
current as of 2005.

Quoted message said:

That's what the Holland
Sweetener company was doing with aspartame. They actually had a better
process for making in (relative to Monsanto), and opened a small
factory while on patent, with expansion plans. Coke, Pepsi & Monsanto
kinda screwed them over (and it was still important to have the
NutraSweet logo on the can), so it didn't work out, but, there's
nothing to say that it has to play that way again.

As soon as the patent expires folks should drop the Splenda
logo in my very biased opinion. I am not happy about
pulling the pull on any concentrated liquid sales and I
will switch from name-brand to generics ASAP when they
come available.

Meanwhile, the company's Splenda product patent has already expired, Mills
says, leaving only the production patent in effect. "At some stage," he
observes, "a threat to sucralose's patent is inevitable," because generic
manufacturers can find alternative production processes. Ferguson downplays
these concerns, noting there are 32 manufacturing and other patents for
sucralose, which will expire over the next 20 years. Meantime, in just six
months Splenda nearly reached the $130 million in sales for all of 2003.
That should be good for keeping the company's spot in the FTSE 100.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/global/2005/0110/020_print.html

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Freyburger <[email hidden]> stated
| Max Hollywood Harris wrote:
|| Actually, if it is off patent (which I am pretty sure it is), another
|| company can just open a factory and make it.
|
| There's a built up market demand for liquid sucralose
| that is not being filled. Every so often a small company
| will pop up to sell it then get shot down. As soon as the
| patent expires the next small company to do so will no
| longer get shot down because that sort of leverage won't
| exist any more. This is why I think the patent is
| current as of 2005.
|

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On 25 Jul 2005 11:26:09 -0700, "Max Hollywood Harris"
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Quoted message said:

C2 combines half the usual amount of High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or
sucrose (sugar) with three artificial sweeteners: aspartame,
acesulfane potassium and sucralose. They don't use any of the
"branded ingredient" names like Nutrasweet or Splenda on the can.
IMHO it comes =much= closer to regular coke than any of the diet
products, but while the combination of sweeteners probably helps a bit
I believe that it's the HFCS/sugar that is mainly responsible. <sigh>

Probably so. IMO by far the best "LC" ice cream I've had was Breyer's
CarbSmart, which also includes a small amount of real sugar.

Quoted message said:

At 18g carbs per 12 ounce can, it is quite possible to include this in
a daily budget of carbs for many people. Sure, it's not something
that will likely be chosen for someone limiting themselves to 20g/day,
but for people at 40-80g per day it's quite manageable. It's just one
of those tradeoffs - what do you want to spend some carbs on? One can
of C2 vs. one slice of bread (or something else, of course).

There's also the option of not drinking the entire can at once, of
course. Coke used to come in bottles of 6.5 ounces, that used to be
"one serving" and 12 ounce cans were once "two servings". But since
almost everybody routinely drank an entire can by themselves all at
once, 12 ounces of soda became "one serving" (though the last time I
checked, the listed serving size is 8 ounces if you buy soda in
2-liter bottles). But if one can get used to 6 ounce servings
(portion control), then 6 ounces of C2 has just 9g carbs, or 8 oz. of
C2 has 12g carbs.

All true, and the strategies you suggest probably could work for a lot of
people. But moderation with anything sweet has always been a problem for me.
Which is why I don't buy that CarbSmart ice cream anymore - and why I never
tried C2.

If I were to drink a regular Coke I'd *know* it's a cheat - there'd be no
way to rationalize it or work it into my daily carb allowance. But I'd
probably try to rationalize my consumption of the C2 and then gradually
start drinking more and more until my diet no longer even resembled "low
carb." Definitely a YMMV thing!

Quoted message said:

In addition to portion control I'm experimenting with my own mixes. I
started with homemade C4 (mixing C2 and Diet Coke half and half).
Even though I gave myself some time to get used to it, I didn't care
for it. So now I'm trying homemade C3, two parts C2 to one part Diet
Coke. If I make the steps small enough, maybe I can eventually get
used to less and less HFCS/sugar.

Good luck to you.

It took me *years* and a number of attempts before I could learn to tolerate
diet drinks at all. I couldn't stand the aspartame aftertaste. I was able to
tolerate the ones sweetened with a blend of aspartame and ace-K first.
Eventually, I got used to those and finally began to like them (they remain
my favorites). After I reached that point, I was able to tolerate the
aspartame-only ones. Now I find apartame-only drinks reasonably palatable.

I certainly hope your strategy works out for you. Anything (almost) that
works to get refined sugar and HFCS out of the diet is a good thing, IMO.

Laura