Coke Zero

That makes sense.

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

I hope you get your wish!

Laura

"Max Hollywood Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Laura wrote:
What I would *really* like to try is a soft drink sweetened with a
blend of
Splenda and aspartame, heck maybe some ace-K, too. But I bet the
sweeteners'
manufacturers wouldn't allow them to be combined in the same product,
since
they are competitors.

Hollywood responds:
This is only really an issue if they use a "Branded Ingredient" (aka
Splenda, or Nutrasweet, the original BI). If they just use sucralose,
they can blend all they like.

We did a case about Nutrasweet (and Monsanto's crushing of the Holland
Sweetener Corporation) in my Competitive Industries class. It turns out
that blending sweeteners generally gives a better result than any pure
artificial sweetener. I think this is what was behind Coke C2 (I think
it was Ace-K and Sugar), and the current crop of Ace-K and Aspartame
diet bevs. But, the maker of the Blended Ingredient (in Nutrasweet,
Monsanto, in Splenda, I forget who makes that) will try to create a
brand name (think Intel Inside) around the ingredient, a strategy that
doesn't allow for blending. As soon as someone generic gets setup
making Splenda (I suspect it's off-patent since it's been around almost
as long as NutraSweet, which is way off patent), and enough people
start thinking of Splenda as sucralose rather than Splenda (think
aspartame vs. NutraSweet), then Coke & Pepsi will no longer feel the
need to have the Splenda logo on the can, and we can get a nice Ace-K,
Aspartame, Sucralose blended cola (hopefully with vanilla), and we can
all fight the addicition to caffeine and the Citric Acid stalls
together ;-)

Here's my wish: Caf-Free, Diet Vanilla Coke with a blend that makes it
taste just like the sugar version without any sugar.

-Hollywood.

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Laura wrote:
What I would *really* like to try is a soft drink sweetened with a
blend of
Splenda and aspartame, heck maybe some ace-K, too. But I bet the
sweeteners'
manufacturers wouldn't allow them to be combined in the same product,
since
they are competitors.

Hollywood responds:
This is only really an issue if they use a "Branded Ingredient" (aka
Splenda, or Nutrasweet, the original BI). If they just use sucralose,
they can blend all they like.

We did a case about Nutrasweet (and Monsanto's crushing of the Holland
Sweetener Corporation) in my Competitive Industries class. It turns out
that blending sweeteners generally gives a better result than any pure
artificial sweetener. I think this is what was behind Coke C2 (I think
it was Ace-K and Sugar),

C2 combines half the usual amount of High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or
sucrose (sugar) with three artificial sweeteners: aspartame,
acesulfane potassium and sucralose. They don't use any of the
"branded ingredient" names like Nutrasweet or Splenda on the can.
IMHO it comes =much= closer to regular coke than any of the diet
products, but while the combination of sweeteners probably helps a bit
I believe that it's the HFCS/sugar that is mainly responsible. <sigh>

At 18g carbs per 12 ounce can, it is quite possible to include this in
a daily budget of carbs for many people. Sure, it's not something
that will likely be chosen for someone limiting themselves to 20g/day,
but for people at 40-80g per day it's quite manageable. It's just one
of those tradeoffs - what do you want to spend some carbs on? One can
of C2 vs. one slice of bread (or something else, of course).

There's also the option of not drinking the entire can at once, of
course. Coke used to come in bottles of 6.5 ounces, that used to be
"one serving" and 12 ounce cans were once "two servings". But since
almost everybody routinely drank an entire can by themselves all at
once, 12 ounces of soda became "one serving" (though the last time I
checked, the listed serving size is 8 ounces if you buy soda in
2-liter bottles). But if one can get used to 6 ounce servings
(portion control), then 6 ounces of C2 has just 9g carbs, or 8 oz. of
C2 has 12g carbs.

In addition to portion control I'm experimenting with my own mixes. I
started with homemade C4 (mixing C2 and Diet Coke half and half).
Even though I gave myself some time to get used to it, I didn't care
for it. So now I'm trying homemade C3, two parts C2 to one part Diet
Coke. If I make the steps small enough, maybe I can eventually get
used to less and less HFCS/sugar.

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Laura wrote:
What I would *really* like to try is a soft drink sweetened with a
blend of
Splenda and aspartame, heck maybe some ace-K, too. But I bet the
sweeteners'
manufacturers wouldn't allow them to be combined in the same product,
since
they are competitors.

Hollywood responds:
This is only really an issue if they use a "Branded Ingredient" (aka
Splenda, or Nutrasweet, the original BI). If they just use sucralose,
they can blend all they like.

We did a case about Nutrasweet (and Monsanto's crushing of the Holland
Sweetener Corporation) in my Competitive Industries class. It turns out
that blending sweeteners generally gives a better result than any pure
artificial sweetener. I think this is what was behind Coke C2 (I think
it was Ace-K and Sugar),

C2 combines half the usual amount of High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or
sucrose (sugar) with three artificial sweeteners: aspartame,
acesulfane potassium and sucralose. They don't use any of the
"branded ingredient" names like Nutrasweet or Splenda on the can.
IMHO it comes =much= closer to regular coke than any of the diet
products, but while the combination of sweeteners probably helps a bit
I believe that it's the HFCS/sugar that is mainly responsible. <sigh>

At 18g carbs per 12 ounce can, it is quite possible to include this in
a daily budget of carbs for many people. Sure, it's not something
that will likely be chosen for someone limiting themselves to 20g/day,
but for people at 40-80g per day it's quite manageable. It's just one
of those tradeoffs - what do you want to spend some carbs on? One can
of C2 vs. one slice of bread (or something else, of course).

There's also the option of not drinking the entire can at once, of
course. Coke used to come in bottles of 6.5 ounces, that used to be
"one serving" and 12 ounce cans were once "two servings". But since
almost everybody routinely drank an entire can by themselves all at
once, 12 ounces of soda became "one serving" (though the last time I
checked, the listed serving size is 8 ounces if you buy soda in
2-liter bottles). But if one can get used to 6 ounce servings
(portion control), then 6 ounces of C2 has just 9g carbs, or 8 oz. of
C2 has 12g carbs.

In addition to portion control I'm experimenting with my own mixes. I
started with homemade C4 (mixing C2 and Diet Coke half and half).
Even though I gave myself some time to get used to it, I didn't care
for it. So now I'm trying homemade C3, two parts C2 to one part Diet
Coke. If I make the steps small enough, maybe I can eventually get
used to less and less HFCS/sugar.

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Laura wrote:
What I would *really* like to try is a soft drink sweetened with a
blend of
Splenda and aspartame, heck maybe some ace-K, too. But I bet the
sweeteners'
manufacturers wouldn't allow them to be combined in the same product,
since
they are competitors.

Hollywood responds:
This is only really an issue if they use a "Branded Ingredient" (aka
Splenda, or Nutrasweet, the original BI). If they just use sucralose,
they can blend all they like.

We did a case about Nutrasweet (and Monsanto's crushing of the Holland
Sweetener Corporation) in my Competitive Industries class. It turns out
that blending sweeteners generally gives a better result than any pure
artificial sweetener. I think this is what was behind Coke C2 (I think
it was Ace-K and Sugar),

C2 combines half the usual amount of High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or
sucrose (sugar) with three artificial sweeteners: aspartame,
acesulfane potassium and sucralose. They don't use any of the
"branded ingredient" names like Nutrasweet or Splenda on the can.
IMHO it comes =much= closer to regular coke than any of the diet
products, but while the combination of sweeteners probably helps a bit
I believe that it's the HFCS/sugar that is mainly responsible. <sigh>

At 18g carbs per 12 ounce can, it is quite possible to include this in
a daily budget of carbs for many people. Sure, it's not something
that will likely be chosen for someone limiting themselves to 20g/day,
but for people at 40-80g per day it's quite manageable. It's just one
of those tradeoffs - what do you want to spend some carbs on? One can
of C2 vs. one slice of bread (or something else, of course).

There's also the option of not drinking the entire can at once, of
course. Coke used to come in bottles of 6.5 ounces, that used to be
"one serving" and 12 ounce cans were once "two servings". But since
almost everybody routinely drank an entire can by themselves all at
once, 12 ounces of soda became "one serving" (though the last time I
checked, the listed serving size is 8 ounces if you buy soda in
2-liter bottles). But if one can get used to 6 ounce servings
(portion control), then 6 ounces of C2 has just 9g carbs, or 8 oz. of
C2 has 12g carbs.

In addition to portion control I'm experimenting with my own mixes. I
started with homemade C4 (mixing C2 and Diet Coke half and half).
Even though I gave myself some time to get used to it, I didn't care
for it. So now I'm trying homemade C3, two parts C2 to one part Diet
Coke. If I make the steps small enough, maybe I can eventually get
used to less and less HFCS/sugar.

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Laura wrote:
What I would *really* like to try is a soft drink sweetened with a
blend of
Splenda and aspartame, heck maybe some ace-K, too. But I bet the
sweeteners'
manufacturers wouldn't allow them to be combined in the same product,
since
they are competitors.

Hollywood responds:
This is only really an issue if they use a "Branded Ingredient" (aka
Splenda, or Nutrasweet, the original BI). If they just use sucralose,
they can blend all they like.

We did a case about Nutrasweet (and Monsanto's crushing of the Holland
Sweetener Corporation) in my Competitive Industries class. It turns out
that blending sweeteners generally gives a better result than any pure
artificial sweetener. I think this is what was behind Coke C2 (I think
it was Ace-K and Sugar),

C2 combines half the usual amount of High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or
sucrose (sugar) with three artificial sweeteners: aspartame,
acesulfane potassium and sucralose. They don't use any of the
"branded ingredient" names like Nutrasweet or Splenda on the can.
IMHO it comes =much= closer to regular coke than any of the diet
products, but while the combination of sweeteners probably helps a bit
I believe that it's the HFCS/sugar that is mainly responsible. <sigh>

At 18g carbs per 12 ounce can, it is quite possible to include this in
a daily budget of carbs for many people. Sure, it's not something
that will likely be chosen for someone limiting themselves to 20g/day,
but for people at 40-80g per day it's quite manageable. It's just one
of those tradeoffs - what do you want to spend some carbs on? One can
of C2 vs. one slice of bread (or something else, of course).

There's also the option of not drinking the entire can at once, of
course. Coke used to come in bottles of 6.5 ounces, that used to be
"one serving" and 12 ounce cans were once "two servings". But since
almost everybody routinely drank an entire can by themselves all at
once, 12 ounces of soda became "one serving" (though the last time I
checked, the listed serving size is 8 ounces if you buy soda in
2-liter bottles). But if one can get used to 6 ounce servings
(portion control), then 6 ounces of C2 has just 9g carbs, or 8 oz. of
C2 has 12g carbs.

In addition to portion control I'm experimenting with my own mixes. I
started with homemade C4 (mixing C2 and Diet Coke half and half).
Even though I gave myself some time to get used to it, I didn't care
for it. So now I'm trying homemade C3, two parts C2 to one part Diet
Coke. If I make the steps small enough, maybe I can eventually get
used to less and less HFCS/sugar.

Max Hollywood Harris said:

Laura wrote:
What I would *really* like to try is a soft drink sweetened with a
blend of
Splenda and aspartame, heck maybe some ace-K, too. But I bet the
sweeteners'
manufacturers wouldn't allow them to be combined in the same product,
since
they are competitors.

Hollywood responds:
This is only really an issue if they use a "Branded Ingredient" (aka
Splenda, or Nutrasweet, the original BI). If they just use sucralose,
they can blend all they like.

We did a case about Nutrasweet (and Monsanto's crushing of the Holland
Sweetener Corporation) in my Competitive Industries class. It turns out
that blending sweeteners generally gives a better result than any pure
artificial sweetener. I think this is what was behind Coke C2 (I think
it was Ace-K and Sugar),

C2 combines half the usual amount of High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or
sucrose (sugar) with three artificial sweeteners: aspartame,
acesulfane potassium and sucralose. They don't use any of the
"branded ingredient" names like Nutrasweet or Splenda on the can.
IMHO it comes =much= closer to regular coke than any of the diet
products, but while the combination of sweeteners probably helps a bit
I believe that it's the HFCS/sugar that is mainly responsible. <sigh>

At 18g carbs per 12 ounce can, it is quite possible to include this in
a daily budget of carbs for many people. Sure, it's not something
that will likely be chosen for someone limiting themselves to 20g/day,
but for people at 40-80g per day it's quite manageable. It's just one
of those tradeoffs - what do you want to spend some carbs on? One can
of C2 vs. one slice of bread (or something else, of course).

There's also the option of not drinking the entire can at once, of
course. Coke used to come in bottles of 6.5 ounces, that used to be
"one serving" and 12 ounce cans were once "two servings". But since
almost everybody routinely drank an entire can by themselves all at
once, 12 ounces of soda became "one serving" (though the last time I
checked, the listed serving size is 8 ounces if you buy soda in
2-liter bottles). But if one can get used to 6 ounce servings
(portion control), then 6 ounces of C2 has just 9g carbs, or 8 oz. of
C2 has 12g carbs.

In addition to portion control I'm experimenting with my own mixes. I
started with homemade C4 (mixing C2 and Diet Coke half and half).
Even though I gave myself some time to get used to it, I didn't care
for it. So now I'm trying homemade C3, two parts C2 to one part Diet
Coke. If I make the steps small enough, maybe I can eventually get
used to less and less HFCS/sugar.

Laura said:

That makes sense.

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

I hope you get your wish!

Laura

I've seen them too. But it's more than that. Right now, for a large
portion of the public, Splenda, sucralose, and the yellow packet are
all the same thing. So, there is a reason for the Cola makers to have
the brand Splenda on the label. When we all start thinking of sucralose
as sucralose, rather than Splenda, we'll get blended sucralose. Though
C2 already had it, which just proves the cola companies may know
everything about water and sugar, but they are unsure where the Diet
market really is.

Laura said:

That makes sense.

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

I hope you get your wish!

Laura

I've seen them too. But it's more than that. Right now, for a large
portion of the public, Splenda, sucralose, and the yellow packet are
all the same thing. So, there is a reason for the Cola makers to have
the brand Splenda on the label. When we all start thinking of sucralose
as sucralose, rather than Splenda, we'll get blended sucralose. Though
C2 already had it, which just proves the cola companies may know
everything about water and sugar, but they are unsure where the Diet
market really is.

Laura said:

That makes sense.

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

I hope you get your wish!

Laura

I've seen them too. But it's more than that. Right now, for a large
portion of the public, Splenda, sucralose, and the yellow packet are
all the same thing. So, there is a reason for the Cola makers to have
the brand Splenda on the label. When we all start thinking of sucralose
as sucralose, rather than Splenda, we'll get blended sucralose. Though
C2 already had it, which just proves the cola companies may know
everything about water and sugar, but they are unsure where the Diet
market really is.

Laura said:

That makes sense.

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

I hope you get your wish!

Laura

I've seen them too. But it's more than that. Right now, for a large
portion of the public, Splenda, sucralose, and the yellow packet are
all the same thing. So, there is a reason for the Cola makers to have
the brand Splenda on the label. When we all start thinking of sucralose
as sucralose, rather than Splenda, we'll get blended sucralose. Though
C2 already had it, which just proves the cola companies may know
everything about water and sugar, but they are unsure where the Diet
market really is.

Laura said:

That makes sense.

You know, I could have *sworn* I saw some generic sucralose packets in a
restaurant a couple of months ago. They were yellow (just like the branded
Splenda packets), but the labeling was different. I didn't look at them very
closely, since I was drinking Diet Coke that day. I'll have to keep my eyes
peeled from now on.

I hope you get your wish!

Laura

I've seen them too. But it's more than that. Right now, for a large
portion of the public, Splenda, sucralose, and the yellow packet are
all the same thing. So, there is a reason for the Cola makers to have
the brand Splenda on the label. When we all start thinking of sucralose
as sucralose, rather than Splenda, we'll get blended sucralose. Though
C2 already had it, which just proves the cola companies may know
everything about water and sugar, but they are unsure where the Diet
market really is.

It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
Why,....when the Zero is so good?

It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus all
the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.

LassChance

It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
Why,....when the Zero is so good?

It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus all
the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.

LassChance

It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
Why,....when the Zero is so good?

It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus all
the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.

LassChance

It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
Why,....when the Zero is so good?

It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus all
the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.

LassChance

Except me, I don't like colas at all.

In news:[email hidden],
Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> stated
| It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
| fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
| was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
| Why,....when the Zero is so good?
|
| It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus
| all the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.
|
| LassChance

Except me, I don't like colas at all.

In news:[email hidden],
Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> stated
| It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
| fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
| was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
| Why,....when the Zero is so good?
|
| It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus
| all the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.
|
| LassChance

Except me, I don't like colas at all.

In news:[email hidden],
Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> stated
| It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
| fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
| was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
| Why,....when the Zero is so good?
|
| It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus
| all the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.
|
| LassChance

Except me, I don't like colas at all.

In news:[email hidden],
Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> stated
| It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
| fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
| was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
| Why,....when the Zero is so good?
|
| It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus
| all the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.
|
| LassChance

Except me, I don't like colas at all.

In news:[email hidden],
Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> stated
| It's so weird how people's taste varies. To me, the Zero is
| fabulous--almost cant tell it isnt the Real Thing. The old diet Coke
| was....ghastly. I havent tried the NEW diet Coke with Splenda yet.
| Why,....when the Zero is so good?
|
| It is pretty cool that, between all the diferent Coke products plus
| all the other sugarless sodas, one suits just about everybody.
|
| LassChance