Cholesterol lowering

Come back and post this same message in 30 years.

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Boloney Bob.
Changing my diet isn't a deprevation.
On the contrary I sense no problem at all.
If something was wrong with my diet my body
would have told me. I don't have to hear it from
you!

Like I said the body can make its own.
Its non essential. Show me differently.

I'll let my body do what its made to do.

You can keep your drugs.

I am sure I'll be around!!!

I don't know about you Pizza is bad for you!!!

jaym1212 said:

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...cholesterol 220 in begining.
soluble fiber brought it to 169.
became vegatarian, now 133...

Interesting. What were your major sources of soluble fiber? Could you
describe your vegetarian diet in more detail? Any supplements?

Vegetable fiber. Psyllium. Citrucel.

Low calorie diet.
Fruit in the morning.
Low carbohydrate. Whole foods - a lot of beans. Avacado.
Toasted seeds. Nuts sparingly.

Juicing organic vegetables. Good lowcal soymilk for beverage.
Salads with organic dressings.

Protein and fat from fish: Salmon and Tuna. Every once
in a while eggs.

Which one of you jerks is going to knock that?

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Kam, after eating the omega 3 fish for a year
or so I noticed my mind/brain was stronger!!!

I could tell a difference.

Great , did you use any fish oil ?
Kam

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Actually, I take too many things to know what outwardly noticeable
affect the fish oil has had on me. But internally, I'm sure it's doing
it's job.
If I skip my pills beyond a couple of days for whatever reason, I
notice a decrease in energy and mood.

Ann

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Kamalakar Pasupuleti wrote:

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Hi Ann , What improvement did you notice with fish oil ? I wish
to try . I am a vegeterian but take eggs and plenty of dairy .

Kam

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LOL. I know what you mean....
It is predictable isn't it?

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Which one of you jerks is going to knock that?

Yes it is Ann!

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No need for drugs. I let my body do it!

Congrats, Nick!

Do we really need to lower cholesterol levels so low as 133!!
They keep on narrowing the cholesterol guide lines to promote
cholesterol lowering drugs . The drug companies lobby for
making easy money . These days some doctors are recommending
Zocar to every diabetic to avoid the risk of heart attack .

Extract from Journal of the American College of Cardiology Vol.
43, No. 11, 2004, 2142-2145:

The average total cholesterol level in American adults
today is 208 mg/dl (corresponding to an LDL of approximately
130 mg/dl) (13). In this case, average is not normal
because atherosclerosis is present in up to 40% to 50% of
women and men by age 50 (14). Atherosclerosis is endemic
in our population in part because the average person’s LDL
level is approximately twice the normal physiologic level
(Fig. 1).
We live in a world very different from that for which we
are genetically adapted. Profound changes in our environment
began with the introduction of agriculture and animal
husbandry 10,000 years ago, too recent on an evolutionary
time scale for the human genome to adjust. As a result of
this ever-worsening discordance between our ancient genetically
determined biology and the nutritional, cultural, and
activity patterns in modern populations, many of the socalled
diseases of civilization, including atherosclerosis, have
emerged. Evidence from hunter-gatherer populations while
they were still following their indigenous lifestyles showed
no evidence for atherosclerosis, even in individuals living
into the seventh and eighth decades of life (15,16). These
populations had total cholesterol levels of 100 to 150 mg/dl
with estimated LDL cholesterol levels of about 50 to 75
mg/dl. The LDL levels of healthy neonates are even today
in the 30 to 70 mg/dl range. Healthy, wild, adult primates
show LDL levels of approximately 40 to 80 mg/dl (17). In
fact, modern humans are the only adult mammals, excluding
some domesticated animals, with a mean LDL level over 80
mg/dl and a total cholesterol over 160 mg/dl (15,16) (Fig.
1).
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Dr_Dickie said:

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
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>I got mine down to the 110-120 level
>

Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a hemorrhagic
stroke.

I can think of worse ways to go.

The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as a
vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and as precursor
to several important sex hormones, like DHEA and progesterone, you'll
have a lousy life, even if stroke free. At least, expect depression
and anxiety to be a problem.

Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/

Cholesterol warning for elderly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm

Low cholesterol linked to depression :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm

How Cholesterol Works:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm

Suicide link to cholesterol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm

Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during pregnancy
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/1057430139492.html?oneclick=true

Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm

Conclusion:
If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my cholesterol at 200.

Good luck!

CNN and the BBC gotta be right! Hahahahaha...
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We'll see if you'll be around. It all starts wuth denial.

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I am sure I'll be around!!!

I don't know about you Pizza is bad for you!!!

Show me what I am doing wrong then.
I pointed out what you are doing wrong.

You don't know how to eat right!

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:15:00 GMT, Jim Chinnis <[email hidden]>

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Just Cocky <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

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"Just Cocky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
> >
>
> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a hemorrhagic
> stroke.

I can think of worse ways to go.

The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as a
vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and as precursor
to several important sex hormones, like DHEA and progesterone, you'll
have a lousy life, even if stroke free. At least, expect depression
and anxiety to be a problem.

Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/

Cholesterol warning for elderly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm

Low cholesterol linked to depression :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm

How Cholesterol Works:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm

Suicide link to cholesterol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm

Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during pregnancy
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/1057430139492.html?oneclick=true

Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm

Conclusion:
If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my cholesterol at 200.

Good luck!

CNN and the BBC gotta be right! Hahahahaha...

Do you have a point or are just trying to make friends? You don't have
to believe me or BBC. PubMed is your friend. Feel free to do your own
research.

Nick said:

RB Boloney.

You think bassackwards.

I know how to be healthy. You can keep your drugs!

Drugs? You need help Nick.

RBR

Nick said:

Boloney Bob.
Changing my diet isn't a deprevation.
On the contrary I sense no problem at all.
If something was wrong with my diet my body
would have told me. I don't have to hear it from
you!

Like I said the body can make its own.
Its non essential. Show me differently.

If you put a stop to dietary cholesterol then your body simply
produces more, so what's your point?

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I'll let my body do what its made to do.

You can keep your drugs.

What's up with the drugs again? You have a drug preoccupation or
something?

RBR

I am not avoiding cholesterol.
I have not gotten rid of anything permanently
My triglycerides are the reason I became a vegetarian.
And I believe in consuming saturated fat anyway!!!
Moderation in everything not complete avoidance
Find fault in that?

Are you preoccupied with knocking right diet?

I've never said anybody has to do what I am doing,
We are all different. I can tolerate more protein and fat
and need less carbohydrate and I eat accordingly.

I wish to bring up the things that lowered my cholesterol.
I must add besides fiber and vegetarianism also my
omega 3 consumption probably lowered it.

Hope this helps someone if not RB!

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I wish to bring up the things that lowered my cholesterol.
I must add besides fiber and vegetarianism also my
omega 3 consumption probably lowered it.

Have you tested your triglycerides after being on a vegeterian
diet ? I am a vegeterian and my triglycerides are slightly elevated
and my doctor told me since I am a vegeterian my TG's are a bit
elevated but that is not a concern at all . My total cholesterol
LDL and HDL are normal . I am a T2 diabetic .

I am thinking of adding fish oil suppliments to reduce
the TG's . What's your experience ?

Kam

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"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I wish to bring up the things that lowered my cholesterol.
I must add besides fiber and vegetarianism also my
omega 3 consumption probably lowered it.

Have you tested your triglycerides after being on a vegeterian
diet ? I am a vegeterian and my triglycerides are slightly elevated
and my doctor told me since I am a vegeterian my TG's are a bit
elevated but that is not a concern at all . My total cholesterol
LDL and HDL are normal . I am a T2 diabetic .

I am thinking of adding fish oil suppliments to reduce
the TG's . What's your experience ?

Kam

If you are a T2 and have elevated triglycerides, make sure that your doctor
is checking your insulin levels (often elevated triglycerides is an
indication of elevated insulin--not good long term).
I would add fish oil, is there anything it has not been seen to improve?

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If you are a T2 and have elevated triglycerides, make sure that your doctor
is checking your insulin levels (often elevated triglycerides is an
indication of elevated insulin--not good long term).
I would add fish oil, is there anything it has not been seen to improve?

I have to go for check up next month , will talk to my doctor
about adding fish oil .
My BG levels seems to be normal .

Regards ,
Kam

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If you are a T2 and have elevated triglycerides, make sure that your

doctor

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is checking your insulin levels (often elevated triglycerides is an
indication of elevated insulin--not good long term).
I would add fish oil, is there anything it has not been seen to improve?

I have to go for check up next month , will talk to my doctor
about adding fish oil .
My BG levels seems to be normal .

Regards ,
Kam

Yeah, but insulin levels are something else.
You may be getting normal blood glucose (HbA1c and post pradial) due to
exteemly elevated insulin levels.
Again, not a for sure thing, but something to consider and talk to you
doctor about (if you tris do not come into line).

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"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'😉, but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

R.B.R. :
I am thinking more and more that this guy's initials (RBR) stand for:

- Reprehensible Boring Reprobate -

(perfectlly describes him if you judge him from his writings...)

Ann

RBR said:

Nick said:

Ann I waited to give up dairy. I've done it more than once.
I did find I feel better and consume less calories by drinking
good soymilk for my beverage.

Try drinking horse [censored], I hear it is even lower in calories than soy
milk Nick.

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I am not looking for pleasure from food as the health
I get from eating right gives me pleasure.

Yes I can see that your diet certainly gives you no pleasure. Are you
a masochist Nick. Do you want a medal for putting up with the
ultra-boring diet?

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I have well being!
And logeveity I am certain will be another reward.

Low cholesterol is not conducive to longevity. Low cholesterol is more
likely to make you a candidate for a stroke.

RBR