Cholesterol lowering

I don't need to do anything.
I don't need a book. They can only take you so far
and then something more must happen.
I''m my own nutritionist.

Shouldn't the body make enough cholesterol
on its own?

Show me where I am wrong silly little rob

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I don't need to do anything.
I don't need a book. They can only take you so far
and then something more must happen.
I''m my own nutritionist.

Shouldn't the body make enough cholesterol
on its own?

Show me where I am wrong silly little rob

The body should do a lot of things and when it doesn't that is called
disease. The body not at ease.
If the body were healthy then you wouldn't need intervention. If the body
were healthy by your definition then it wouldn't have produced a high
cholesterol. It was your bodies handling of dietary cholesterol and
endogenous cholesterol production by your body that screwed it up. You are
now over compensating by depriving your body of nutrients in order to
control that one single cholesterol problem. This deprivation you call the
body curing itself.

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No need for drugs. I let my body do it!

Congrats, Nick!

Do we really need to lower cholesterol levels so low as 133!!
They keep on narrowing the cholesterol guide lines to promote
cholesterol lowering drugs . The drug companies lobby for
making easy money . These days some doctors are recommending
Zocar to every diabetic to avoid the risk of heart attack .

Kam

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No need for drugs. I let my body do it!

Congrats, Nick!

Do we really need to lower cholesterol levels so low as 133!!
They keep on narrowing the cholesterol guide lines to promote
cholesterol lowering drugs . The drug companies lobby for
making easy money . These days some doctors are recommending
Zocar to every diabetic to avoid the risk of heart attack .

Kam

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I got mine down to the 110-120 level (through diet and exercise--after
getting a metabolic syndrome diagnosis in 2000), and it is still there. On
the last blood work I had done for a life insurance policy, they flagged me
for low cholesterol (their limits were 130-[censored]). I don't think they held it
against me though ;-)

Oh yeah, my HDL to LDL is 1:1

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I got mine down to the 110-120 level (through diet and exercise--after
getting a metabolic syndrome diagnosis in 2000), and it is still there. On
the last blood work I had done for a life insurance policy, they flagged me
for low cholesterol (their limits were 130-[censored]). I don't think they held it
against me though ;-)

Oh yeah, my HDL to LDL is 1:1

Do you feel any better now ?

Kam

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I got mine down to the 110-120 level

Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a hemorrhagic
stroke.

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I got mine down to the 110-120 level (through diet and exercise--after
getting a metabolic syndrome diagnosis in 2000), and it is still there.

On

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the last blood work I had done for a life insurance policy, they flagged

me

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for low cholesterol (their limits were 130-[censored]). I don't think they held

it

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against me though ;-)

Oh yeah, my HDL to LDL is 1:1

Do you feel any better now ?

Kam

Sure.
But the real question is, "Why do I feel better?"
Because my cholesterol is lower, I doubt that.
Because I lost 100 lbs., yep, that is likely the reason.

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Dr. Dickie said:

I got mine down to the 110-120 level

Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a hemorrhagic
stroke.

I can think of worse ways to go.

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Sure.
But the real question is, "Why do I feel better?"
Because my cholesterol is lower, I doubt that.
Because I lost 100 lbs., yep, that is likely the reason.

If you were obese that is OK but otherwise one feels lot of
discomfort loosing weight .

Kam

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Sure.
But the real question is, "Why do I feel better?"
Because my cholesterol is lower, I doubt that.
Because I lost 100 lbs., yep, that is likely the reason.

If you were obese that is OK but otherwise one feels lot of
discomfort loosing weight .

Kam

That goes hand in hand with metabolic syndrome X.

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Dr. Dickie said:

I got mine down to the 110-120 level

Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a hemorrhagic
stroke.

I can think of worse ways to go.

The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as a
vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and as precursor
to several important sex hormones, like DHEA and progesterone, you'll
have a lousy life, even if stroke free. At least, expect depression
and anxiety to be a problem.

Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/

Cholesterol warning for elderly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm

Low cholesterol linked to depression :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm

How Cholesterol Works:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm

Suicide link to cholesterol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm

Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during pregnancy
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/1057430139492.html?oneclick=true

Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm

Conclusion:
If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my cholesterol at 200.

Good luck!

Fish oil supplements, combined with a "healthy" vegetarian diet, flax
seed added to some whey shakes or cereal, etc. will do the trick. But
you don't need to give up dairy!

Pay no attention to those sarcastic flesh eaters (cannibals). It's no
sacrifice to give up meat. It's liberating! We don't need meat to be
healthy!

Good for you Nick!

Nick said:

I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I first tried
soluble fiber to control it. That brought it down to 169. Then I
decided to become a vegatarian to control it more. After a few months
of getting rid of dairy and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol
is now stabalized at 133.

No need for drugs. I let my body do it!

Oh how helpful and insightful you are (as usual).

RBR said:

Nick said:

Ann I waited to give up dairy. I've done it more than once.
I did find I feel better and consume less calories by drinking
good soymilk for my beverage.

Try drinking horse [censored], I hear it is even lower in calories than soy
milk Nick.

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I am not looking for pleasure from food as the health
I get from eating right gives me pleasure.

Yes I can see that your diet certainly gives you no pleasure. Are you
a masochist Nick. Do you want a medal for putting up with the
ultra-boring diet?

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I have well being!
And logeveity I am certain will be another reward.

Low cholesterol is not conducive to longevity. Low cholesterol is more
likely to make you a candidate for a stroke.

RBR

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
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>
>I got mine down to the 110-120 level
>

Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a hemorrhagic
stroke.

I can think of worse ways to go.

The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as a
vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and as precursor
to several important sex hormones, like DHEA and progesterone, you'll
have a lousy life, even if stroke free. At least, expect depression
and anxiety to be a problem.

Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/

Cholesterol warning for elderly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm

Low cholesterol linked to depression :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm

How Cholesterol Works:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm

Suicide link to cholesterol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm

Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during pregnancy
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/1057430139492.html?oneclick=true

Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm

Conclusion:
If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my cholesterol at 200.

Good luck!

If you get your scientific evidence through the filter of the media, you
are in for a very paranoid and hateful life.
The media does not understand science, does not want to understand science,
they just want to make you (watch or read).
Time will tell, but I am sticking with what I got for right now.

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Poking kooks with a pointy stick.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'😉, but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

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Fish oil supplements, combined with a "healthy" vegetarian diet, flax
seed added to some whey shakes or cereal, etc. will do the trick. But
you don't need to give up dairy!

Pay no attention to those sarcastic flesh eaters (cannibals). It's no
sacrifice to give up meat. It's liberating! We don't need meat to be
healthy!

Good for you Nick!

Hi Ann , What improvement did you notice with fish oil ? I wish
to try . I am a vegeterian but take eggs and plenty of dairy .

Kam

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...cholesterol 220 in begining.
soluble fiber brought it to 169.
became vegatarian, now 133...

Interesting. What were your major sources of soluble fiber? Could you
describe your vegetarian diet in more detail? Any supplements?

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> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
> >
>
> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a hemorrhagic
> stroke.

I can think of worse ways to go.

The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as a
vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and as precursor
to several important sex hormones, like DHEA and progesterone, you'll
have a lousy life, even if stroke free. At least, expect depression
and anxiety to be a problem.

Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/

Cholesterol warning for elderly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm

Low cholesterol linked to depression :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm

How Cholesterol Works:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm

Suicide link to cholesterol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm

Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during pregnancy
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/1057430139492.html?oneclick=true

Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm

Conclusion:
If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my cholesterol at 200.

Good luck!

If you get your scientific evidence through the filter of the media, you
are in for a very paranoid and hateful life.

I don't. I use PubMed extensively.

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The media does not understand science, does not want to understand science,
they just want to make you (watch or read).
Time will tell, but I am sticking with what I got for right now.

Hey, it's your body!

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Fish oil supplements, combined with a "healthy" vegetarian diet, flax
seed added to some whey shakes or cereal, etc. will do the trick. But
you don't need to give up dairy!

Pay no attention to those sarcastic flesh eaters (cannibals). It's no
sacrifice to give up meat. It's liberating! We don't need meat to be
healthy!

Good for you Nick!

Hi Ann , What improvement did you notice with fish oil ? I wish
to try . I am a vegeterian but take eggs and plenty of dairy .

Here's a very good summary of what fish oil can do for you:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/fis_0106.shtml

Boloney Bob.
Changing my diet isn't a deprevation.
On the contrary I sense no problem at all.
If something was wrong with my diet my body
would have told me. I don't have to hear it from
you!

Like I said the body can make its own.
Its non essential. Show me differently.

I'll let my body do what its made to do.

You can keep your drugs.

Kam, after eating the omega 3 fish for a year
or so I noticed my mind/brain was stronger!!!

I could tell a difference.