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Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby
preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.

Arsewipe-

I may have mistaken you for an atkins cultist. However, I still object to the "fat metabolism fine
tuned" bit.

Dumbass -

That's what happens when riders do 5 hour tempo rides, day after day after day. The body becomes
more efficient at burning fat. These are tempo rides, mind you, not high intensity.

Don't believe it? Fine. It doesn't really matter whether you do or not.

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Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby
preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.

Dumbass,

Fat metabolism is mostly a function of fitness. Fitter people can use more fat at a given intensity.
You can't train it specifically.

-Amit

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Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby
preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.

Dumbass,

Fat metabolism is mostly a function of fitness. Fitter people can use more fat at a given
intensity. You can't train it specifically.

Dumbass -

It's chicken and egg.

They come hand in hand. 35 hour weeks leads to both.

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A well-trained rider might be able to ride 100 miles at low intensity without eating anything.

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Well trained riders can ride for 100 miles at what most would consider a high tempo without eating
anything.

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They've got their fat metabolism systems fine-tuned unlike us Freds.

Luftmensch,

What, no "Dumbass"? I'm sure that is true, but I wasn't going as far as to refer to Horner and the
long-miles brigade. Even Freds like us can ride for several hours on breakfast and a Clif bar or
two. It's not like that bar is gonna bust our diets. And compared to a guy riding his first ever
century, Freds like you are trained. (No offense to the novice centurist, who after all is more
physically active than 99% of the US population.)

I think it's useful to learn to ride like that, but there's no real reason to go as far as starving
yourself on a very long ride, especially for the novice or tourist. I sure am not going to be
mistaken for Horner anytime soon, so I may as well quit fooling myself and eat real food now and
then. It's still about who gets to the line first, not who gets to the line after eating the fewest
powergels. Burning fat is useful insofar as it helps with the first of those goals.

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Well trained riders can ride for 100 miles at what most would consider a high tempo without
eating anything.

They've got their fat metabolism systems fine-tuned unlike us Freds.

A very strange way of looking at things.

Very few riders could do it, even fewer would actually want to.

Dumbass -

Any decent pro can do that.

And then bonk like an amateur.

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In rec.bicycles.misc Kevan Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
: And then bonk like an amateur.

i found it hard to believe a pro would have enuf body fat to burn to make it 200km. that would
require at least a pound and a half for a good pace.
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Per Elmsäter said:

At the speed you were gong you probably weren't burning any carbs at all. Hence no reason to eat
sugar at all.

Certainly he was burning glycogen (carbs). Endurance cycling trains your body to burn stored
glycogen more efficiently. Fat use is also more efficient with endurance training, but glycogen is
the preferred fuel for muscles.

-=Dave=-

I was TOP. Interesting threads created -- glad to read most of the responses illustrated civil
discourse. [Some of you need to ride more to release aggression!]

Off-list consensus agrees that day of ride was not the time to eliminate the usual morning coffee
and that the advise I got to not have a cup was incorrect. I should have gotten the hint that it
would be ok given all the Starbucks that was being consumed around me before the ride began.

The pain that devekloped between my shoulders seems to point at seat and/or handlebars. I have an
appt with my LBS for an adjustment session.

Now I have a month to get ready for the Solvang century -- the goal is to finish [including *riding*
up the "wall"]. I'm over 50, have had back surgery and continue to medicate myself for HBP... a
family trait that is a problem regardless of our physical condition.

I don't plan on doing anything like the Palomar ride some of you described. If I can do 1000 ft of
climbing in a 20 mile ride that takes me over 2 hrs ... then I consider it a great ride [so does my
Doc]. I'm happy to finish a century before they sweep the course.

So those of you who responded with one-reply-fits-all -- sorry for leaving out the
demographics in TOP.

MdelP

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Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby
preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.

Dumbass,

Fat metabolism is mostly a function of fitness. Fitter people can use more fat at a given
intensity. You can't train it specifically.

Dumbass -

It's chicken and egg.

They come hand in hand. 35 hour weeks leads to both.

Dumbass,

If you work on getting a) faster then b) fat utilization capabilities will follow.

You can't get b without working on a.

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> Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby
> preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.

Dumbass,

Fat metabolism is mostly a function of fitness. Fitter people can use more fat at a given
intensity. You can't train it specifically.

Dumbass -

It's chicken and egg.

They come hand in hand. 35 hour weeks leads to both.

Dumbass,

If you work on getting a) faster then b) fat utilization capabilities will

follow.

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You can't get b without working on a.

Dumbass -

Sure you can.

A cyclotourist who never intends to race is not trying to get faster, but if he/she does long tempo
rides then their fat metabolizing efficiency will increase.

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Dumbass,

Dumbass -

Huh. How'd I stumble into rec.bicycles.kindergarten?

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It's chicken and egg.

Alexandre,

Masters racers will have the chicken and the egg with a side order of fries. And a Kirin beer.

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I rode in a century last weekend -- first I have done other than a metric last May. I bike
regularly [I'm in SoCal] including spinning session at

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Problem Two After about 6 hours I began having a headache.

Possibly due to hyponatremia, i.e., low blood sodium levels. Next time, try drinking a sports drink
instead of water, or even eating something salty
(e.g, pretzels), and see if that solves the problem.

Andy Coggan

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A couple of my roomates are pros. They regularly do this thing called "the Loop" which includes
Mt. Palomar with 10,000+ ft. of climbing and 117

miles.

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On one Snickers and one Coke and water, 18+mph average.

Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby
preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.

Your roommates are sorely in need of some decent advice on how to train.

Andy Coggan

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A couple of my roomates are pros. They regularly do this thing called

"the

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Loop" which includes Mt. Palomar with 10,000+ ft. of climbing and 117

miles.

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On one Snickers and one Coke and water, 18+mph average.

Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby
preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.

Your roommates are sorely in need of some decent advice on how to train.

Maybe.

They're probably faster than anyone you advise though.

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Dumbass,

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Huh. How'd I stumble into rec.bicycles.kindergarten?

I dunno...but this is definitely it. In another thread, this was discussed:
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It's chicken and egg.

Alexandre,

Masters racers will have the chicken and the egg with a side order of fries. And a Kirin beer.

As long as we're having Kirin, can I have my chicken and the egg in the form of oyako donburi?

Arigato,

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As long as we're having Kirin, can I have my chicken and the egg in the form of oyako donburi?

Mother and Child reunion? It's only a moment away.

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A couple of my roomates are pros. They regularly do this thing called "the Loop" which includes
Mt. Palomar with 10,000+ ft. of climbing and 117 miles. On one Snickers and one Coke and water,
18+mph average.

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Your roommates are sorely in need of some decent advice on how to train.

I bet they stop in the middle for a burger and fries. They just tell Henry the Snickers-and-Coke
story to wind up his food obsession.