On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:57:59 +1100, "Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com>
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"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Dan Connelly said:
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> At the speed you were gong you probably weren't burning any carbs at all. Hence no reason to > eat sugar at all. > This is silly. Of course there is carbohydrate burning at reduced effort levels.
Not enough to deplete the glucogen stores, therefore no reason to
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them during the ride.
Your brain tends to die if it doesn't have a steady supply of glucose. It can't burn fat.
Do a google search on "ketones" and "brain".
-- Scott Johnson "There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than to have soft, chubby, fat-looking children who go to watch their school play basketball every Saturday and regard that as their week's exercise." - John F. Kennedy, 1962
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:57:59 +1100, "Jeff Jones"
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Your brain tends to die if it doesn't have a steady supply of glucose. It can't burn fat.
Do a google search on "ketones" and "brain".
OK let me rephrase. Your brain *prefers* to burn glucose but it can burn ketones under certain conditions. It can't burn fat (a ketone is not a fat).
I would also say that for most people, not eating any type of glucose on a long ride - even at low intensities - will make you feel pretty ordinary by the end.
At the speed you were gong you probably weren't burning any carbs at all. Hence no reason to eat sugar at all.
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This is silly. Of course there is carbohydrate burning at reduced effort levels.
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Not enough to deplete the glucogen stores, therefore no reason to replenish them during the ride.
A well-trained rider might be able to ride 100 miles at low intensity without eating anything. For a relative newbie, it's not advisable. A given amount of time (which probably included stops) is a higher intensity effort for a less-trained rider, as well. And, over a period of 7 hours in the day, most people will have at least one meal even if they're not riding at all.
Finally, there are other reasons to eat during a ride even if your glycogen meter has not dropped to empty. Like, food tastes good, and can relieve that gnawing feeling in one's stomach. It's also better to eat rather than waiting till you get super hungry and pigging out. That's not usually a good mid-ride strategy.
I rode in a century last weekend -- first I have done other than a metric last May. I bike regularly [I'm in SoCal] including spinning session at the gym.
Problem One After about 3 hours I began experiencing a pain in my upper back between my shoulder blades that continued for the remainder of the ride [total time was 7:45]. I imagine I need to take my bike to my LBS for an adjustment but would you have a guess as to what component(s) might be the cause? Or do you even think this might be caused by something else?
Problem Two After about 6 hours I began having a headache. Normally I drink a couple of cups of coffee in the morning -- but decided not to have any before the ride. I didn't feel like a big breakfast would be good so ate a protein bar with water. (I had pasta for dinner the prior evening.) I had plenty of water and drank regularly throughout the ride. At SAG stops [17 mi, 30 mi, 52 mi, 70 mi, 85 mi] I ate fig newtons, peanut M&Ms, energy bars, and gels [not all things at each stop]. I'm wondering if I overloaded on the refined sugar?
I'm riding the Solvang Century in March and want to resolve these problems before then.
Thanks in advance.
In addition to pain induced by just holding up your head fro 7+hrs, I find many riders(myself includede) often ride with their shoulders scrunched up. If so, then every so often make conscious effort to drop/relax the shoulders.
3. Work on position. There's plenty of references on this. The spine
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be neutral, not bend. "Relax the belly".
"Relaxing the belly" can also have tremendous benefits descending. Once I figured out that allowing my gut (sounds better than belly) to meet my legs improved my speed, I started dropping just about everybody on non-technical descents (including some who outweigh me).
I would also say that for most people, not eating any type of glucose on a long ride - even at low intensities - will make you feel pretty ordinary by the end.
Do you mean that being glucose-deprived will make you feel like a bike with an insanely large front wheel and a tiny rear, with no gear drive, just cranks turning said front wheel?
Apart from the fact that "decent tempo" for them is a fair way above my "decent tempo", so I doubt they could.
About the tempo, that's what he said. About your doubt, you are incorrect.
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Would they want to?
Well, *nothing* to eat is maybe not so smart, but I once rode 25 kms with Michael Boogerd when I happened to meet him on the road; he was halfway on a 200 km training ride and had eaten one of the two sandwiches he brought with him. I asked if he would stop for pie or something (pizza, maybe) later on, but noooo, that was not necessary.
Maybe it was because he was on his way from his parents to his girl friend (that he was), to ask her to marry him.
Not a rude word contest; he just things it makes him look intelligent if he calls everybody a dumbass. He rarely posts without "Dumbass -" and sixteen blank lines on either side of it, after a long, untrimmed quote. -- Rick Onanian
Not a rude word contest; he just things it makes him look intelligent if he calls everybody a dumbass. He rarely posts without "Dumbass -" and sixteen blank lines on either side of it, after a long, untrimmed quote.
But it's amazing that it regularly snags someone after all this time. Appropriately, it's an effective dumbass newbie meter.
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Rude word contest eh? [censored] gargler.
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Any decent pro can do that.
Apart from the fact that "decent tempo" for them is a fair way above my "decent tempo", so I doubt they could.
Would they want to?
Dumbass -
A couple of my roomates are pros. They regularly do this thing called "the Loop" which includes Mt. Palomar with 10,000+ ft. of climbing and 117 miles. On one Snickers and one Coke and water, 18+mph average.
Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.
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Rude word contest eh? [censored] gargler.
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Any decent pro can do that.
Apart from the fact that "decent tempo" for them is a fair way above my "decent tempo", so I doubt they could.
Would they want to?
Dumbass -
A couple of my roomates are pros. They regularly do this thing called "the Loop" which includes Mt. Palomar with 10,000+ ft. of climbing and 117 miles. On one Snickers and one Coke and water, 18+mph average.
Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.
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Why don't you lose the abusive salutation? It prevents most if not all readers from considering your posts rationally.
A couple of my roomates are pros. They regularly do this thing called "the Loop" which includes Mt. Palomar with 10,000+ ft. of climbing and 117 miles. On one Snickers and one Coke and water, 18+mph average.
Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.
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Why don't you lose the abusive salutation? It prevents most if not all readers from considering your posts rationally.
Bill "due for a Mt. Palomar masochism-fest" S.
Bill:
Why don't you ask him how many grams of COH are in a Snickers and a Coke? We were talking about doing centuries without significant COH intake.
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"W K" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Rude word contest eh? [censored] gargler.
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Any decent pro can do that.
Apart from the fact that "decent tempo" for them is a fair way above my "decent tempo", so I doubt they could.
Would they want to?
Dumbass -
A couple of my roomates are pros. They regularly do this thing called "the Loop" which includes Mt. Palomar with 10,000+ ft. of climbing and 117
miles.
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On one Snickers and one Coke and water, 18+mph average.
Doing that sort of thing optimizes fat metabolism. The advantages of utilizing fat (thereby preserving glucose) in long road races are self-evident. So yes, they want to.
Arsewipe-
I may have mistaken you for an atkins cultist. However, I still object to the "fat metabolism fine tuned" bit. Higher fitness levels and better blood supplies to muscles- yes. A greater proportion of fat metabolising structures than someone doing short races- yes.
