Carbo loading before a race?

I'm glad you asked this as I'm been too shy to mention
it before.

I started racing last year and am trying to race every
weekend that I can at the same time lifting my weekly km to
between 200-300km. During the last 6 months I've found that
I need to watch what I eat (I use the word fuel now) as if I
dont get the right combination of carbs and protein I feel
very sluggish and tired during the day at work. The night
before a race we have started the tradition of making our
own pasta and I pig out. This gives me more energy for the
race there is no doubt but for prolonged exercise I still
need to fuel during the ride. I've tried rice the night
before but it doesnt seem to have the kick of pasta or doest
last as long I dont know. During the ride I've switched from
dates to cheap apple/cinnamon bars but the best is the Gels.
I only buy the Gels for special occasions as it gets a bit
expensive.

Anyway I'm very keen to hear what others are doing.

Cheers Gary

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Quoted message said:

Anyone here do this? What exactly do you eat, and when??

It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence
the atkins revolution. I would encourage you to investigate
these lo-carb choices othwerwise you are going to be addited
to carbs and that's not a good thing. Let me put it this
way, your grandfather was just hunting and gathering right?
And as lean as they were, do you think that carbs were a
dietary artifact, no? No. It is a know proven fact now that
the health of the ancients was due to low carb hi protein
(and yes even some fats).

For biking I would encourage a solid breakfast of ham and
eggs with coffee.

"jb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Anyone here do this? What exactly do you eat, and when??

hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really don't
know the answer for sure, but I know that I have recently
read in textbooks that carbo loading helps store glycogen in
muscles, and that for prolonged efforts, if your muscles run
out of glycogen, cramping etc. will occur... I too am
interested to hear what others here do..

"carbo_jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans,
hence the atkins revolution. I would encourage you to
investigate these lo-carb choices othwerwise you are going
to be addited to carbs and that's not a good

thing.

Quoted message said:

Let me put it this way, your grandfather was just hunting
and gathering

right?

Quoted message said:

And as lean as they were, do you think that carbs were a
dietary artifact,

no?

Quoted message said:

No. It is a know proven fact now that the health of the
ancients was due

to low

Quoted message said:

carb hi protein (and yes even some fats).

For biking I would encourage a solid breakfast of ham and
eggs with

coffee.

Quoted message said:

"jb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Anyone here do this? What exactly do you eat, and when??

carbo_jim said:

It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence
the atkins revolution.

This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose
ignorance will allow it.

Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet. An
unhealthy diet that's missing important parts can cause
weight loss, which is why no-carb or no-
[protein+fat+whatever] diets can result in lost weight. The
lost weight does not necessarily mean a healthier body.

Quoted message said:

Let me put it this way, your grandfather was just hunting
and gathering right?

My grandfather bought his food and served on a ship in the
navy. He hunted other ships, and gathered...umm...medals?

Somewhere, pre-civilization, my ancestors did hunt and
gather. Of course, they hunted protein/fat and gathered
carbohydrates. This was many thousands of years ago; since
then, and over an evolutionary-length period, humans of
many/most descents have eaten bread very commonly, maybe
even as most of their diet.

I don't think that, 4500 years ago, the Egyptians building
pyramids were having any "carbohydrate poisoning" problems,
eating bread often.

From touregypt.netdiet.htmOpen ↗ :
:For the common people of Egypt, cereal foods formed the
main :backbone of their diet from the predynastic period
onward.  Even for :the rich, this staple mean generally
consisted of a variety of :different breads, often with
other ingredients mixed in.

Other civilizations also ate bread, prospered, and later
descended to become you and me.

Quoted message said:

And as lean as they were, do you think that carbs were a
dietary artifact, no? No. It is a know proven fact now that
the health of the ancients was due to low carb hi protein
(and yes even some fats).

Their alleged health was due to their exercise -- they had
to run all day to get their food. They didn't live very
long, so their bodies were younger and probably healthier
when they died.

Quoted message said:

For biking I would encourage a solid breakfast of ham and
eggs with coffee.

Carbohydrates are the fuel your body uses best. There's no
sense in depriving your body of it's optimum fuel when
you're asking it to provide high output. Of course, more
important is experimenting to find out what works for _you_
-- if you perform and/or feel better on ham and eggs with
coffee, then that's definitely what you should have before a
race. The best way to find out is to experiment.

All this talk about food is making me hungry. Gimme a
cheeseburger, with the bun!
--
Rick Onanian

KB said:

hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really don't
know the answer for sure, but I know that I have recently
read in textbooks that carbo loading helps store glycogen
in muscles, and that for prolonged efforts, if your muscles
run out of glycogen, cramping etc. will occur... I too am
interested to hear what others here do..

The trick is this...

Eat the carbs, by themselves (i.e., not with fat or
protein) and eat them just before or just after the
exercise. This will cause a rise in insulin, but because of
the needs of the body going into or finishing exercise, the
nutrients will be used to build muscle, and will not go
into fat storage.

In between exercise, it's better for those predisposed to
gain weight (fat), to eat higher protein and good fat.

Works for me.

Just before a ride I will eat some small amt of carbs
(couple pieces of chocolate?), and finish with some diluted
OJ. Then about two hours later I'll eat the protein meal.
Two or three hours after that, and just before or after the
next exercise period, I repeat.

I have found that even sugar free drinks or chewing gum
will often suffice. I think in some ppl, the sweet taste
can cause a rise in insulin, and thus movement of nutrient
into muscles.

Obviously, the converse is true. Beware of eating sweet-
tasting things along with fat, b/c you might be one of those
that has an insulin rise just to the taste, even in the
absence of digestible carbs/glucose.

-B

Rick Onanian said:

carbo_jim said:

It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans,
hence the atkins revolution.

This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose
ignorance will allow it.

Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet.

There is -no- dietary requirement for carbs. The body
produces glucose when needed by way of 'gluconeogenesis'.

This doesn't mean that judicious use of glucose/carbs can't
help the exercising individual.

-B

I have been low carbing for a while to lose a few, but now I
do eat carbs before I take rides over 30 miles. I find if I
don't I hit a wall and did get a bit dizzy once. That was
enough of that. I find for me YMMV, that if I eat a balanced
meal with good carbs the night before and during the ride
eat a banana or some granola or something, I feel fine. If I
am just going to ride like 25 miles I don't pay attention to
what I eat much, just make sure I drink enough water. I
think this would be different for everyone. I have heard
people starting to carbo load 3-4 days in advance. I am not
sure why because it takes something like 24 hours for you to
digest food you eat +-.

You may have to find what is right for you. I would make
sure you eat a good dinner the night before for starters and
a good breakfast that each have some good carbs.

Enjoy, Curt

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Quoted message said:

Anyone here do this? What exactly do you eat, and when??

Quoted message said:

Carbo loading before a race? Anyone here do this? What
exactly do you eat, and when??

Having read the first 7 replies to this post, I must say
I'm a little surprised that this subject isn't better
known among cyclists, as it is well known among distance
runners. If you posted this inquiry on rec.running, for
example, you would get an earful of valuable replies.
Perhaps you should do that.

The length of your race is the first determiner of your
answer. Runners wouldn't really consider the topic worthy of
much discussion for distances less than 5k (13-30 minutes),
but once you get up over 10k (27-60 minutes), and to half-
marathon (60-100 minutes) and marathon (2-4 hours) or ultras
(30k to 100 miles, etc.), carbo loading becomes of genuine
value. Use equivalent expected cycling event times to
estimate the significance of loading.

The original theory was that you needed a carbo-depletion
phase during your pre-race taper, but that seems to be
largely discredited now, and the generally-accepted view is
simply to do your carbo-load the last day or two before the
event, and perhaps top it off the morning of the race.

As to how to load, you need not be very scientific. For
shorter events of higher intensity, I personally favor a mix
of complex carbohydrates (starches) and simple carbohydrates
(sugars). For example, toss down a couple glazed donuts and
some strong coffee the morning before you race.

For longer events (century, double century, etc.) where true
carbo-loading is desired, eat what you know from experience
your system can handle well, but emphasize things like
bread, rice, pasta (the best-known carbo-loader), and so on.
Have a good sweet dessert (but not a particularly fatty
one), e.g., cake or cookies. This will stock you well with
glycogen for your event. During a longer event, it is also
common to intake enough carbs on the fly to maintain your
levels, using sport drinks, gels, bananas, fruit, honey,
etc. I once recovered from a bonk on the road by chugging
most of a jar of honey. Don't let that happen to you!

"TopCounsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Carbo loading before a race? Anyone here do this? What
exactly do you eat, and when??

Having read the first 7 replies to this post, I must say
I'm a little

surprised

Quoted message said:

that this subject isn't better known among cyclists, as it
is well known

among

Quoted message said:

distance runners. If you posted this inquiry on
rec.running, for example,

you

Quoted message said:

would get an earful of valuable replies. Perhaps you
should do that.

Interesting.

Quoted message said:

The length of your race is the first determiner of your
answer. Runners wouldn't really consider the topic worthy
of much discussion for distances

less

Quoted message said:

than 5k (13-30 minutes), but once you get up over 10k (27-
60 minutes), and

to

Quoted message said:

half-marathon (60-100 minutes) and marathon (2-4 hours) or
ultras (30k to

100

Quoted message said:

miles, etc.), carbo loading becomes of genuine value. Use
equivalent

expected

Quoted message said:

cycling event times to estimate the significance of
loading.

I covered this in my post, just not in such detail.

Quoted message said:

The original theory was that you needed a carbo-depletion
phase during

your

Quoted message said:

pre-race taper, but that seems to be largely discredited
now, and the generally-accepted view is simply to do your
carbo-load the last day or

two

Quoted message said:

before the event, and perhaps top it off the morning of
the race.

I stated the same thing, but made it more personal because I
feel this is a personal thing. Some people eat a big mac the
day before a race and feel that is the best for them. Just
read that in a running mag and found if pretty funny.

Quoted message said:

As to how to load, you need not be very scientific. For
shorter events of higher intensity, I personally favor a
mix of complex carbohydrates

(starches)

Quoted message said:

and simple carbohydrates (sugars). For example, toss down
a couple glazed donuts and some strong coffee the morning
before you race.

If I did what you do, I would not perform well at all, but
as I stated earlier, everyone is different and you need to
find what works for you.

Quoted message said:

For longer events (century, double century, etc.) where
true carbo-loading

is

Quoted message said:

desired, eat what you know from experience your system can
handle well,

but

Quoted message said:

emphasize things like bread, rice, pasta (the best-known
carbo-loader),

and so

Quoted message said:

on. Have a good sweet dessert (but not a particularly
fatty one), e.g.,

cake

Quoted message said:

or cookies. This will stock you well with glycogen for
your event.

During a

Quoted message said:

longer event, it is also common to intake enough carbs on
the fly to

maintain

Quoted message said:

your levels, using sport drinks, gels, bananas, fruit,
honey, etc. I once recovered from a bonk on the road by
chugging most of a jar of honey.

Don't

Quoted message said:

let that happen to you!

A buddy of mine used to eat a large MacDonalds pizza (when
they made them, way back...) the morning of a race. He would
then proceed to kick our asses..

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Carbo loading before a race? Anyone here do this? What
exactly do you eat, and when??

Having read the first 7 replies to this post, I must say
I'm a little

surprised

Quoted message said:

that this subject isn't better known among cyclists, as
it is well known

among

Quoted message said:

distance runners. If you posted this inquiry on
rec.running, for

example,

Quoted message said:

you

Quoted message said:

would get an earful of valuable replies. Perhaps you
should do that.

Interesting.

Quoted message said:

The length of your race is the first determiner of your
answer. Runners wouldn't really consider the topic
worthy of much discussion for

distances

Quoted message said:

less

Quoted message said:

than 5k (13-30 minutes), but once you get up over 10k
(27-60 minutes),

and

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

half-marathon (60-100 minutes) and marathon (2-4 hours)
or ultras (30k

to

Quoted message said:

100

Quoted message said:

miles, etc.), carbo loading becomes of genuine value.
Use equivalent

expected

Quoted message said:

cycling event times to estimate the significance of
loading.

I covered this in my post, just not in such detail.

Quoted message said:

The original theory was that you needed a carbo-
depletion phase during

your

Quoted message said:

pre-race taper, but that seems to be largely discredited
now, and the generally-accepted view is simply to do
your carbo-load the last day or

two

Quoted message said:

before the event, and perhaps top it off the morning of
the race.

I stated the same thing, but made it more personal because
I feel this is

a

Quoted message said:

personal thing. Some people eat a big mac the day before a
race and feel that is the best for them. Just read that in
a running mag and found if pretty funny.

Quoted message said:

As to how to load, you need not be very scientific. For
shorter events

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

higher intensity, I personally favor a mix of complex
carbohydrates

(starches)

Quoted message said:

and simple carbohydrates (sugars). For example, toss
down a couple

glazed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

donuts and some strong coffee the morning before
you race.

If I did what you do, I would not perform well at all, but
as I stated earlier, everyone is different and you need to
find what works for you.

Quoted message said:

For longer events (century, double century, etc.)
where true

carbo-loading

Quoted message said:

is

Quoted message said:

desired, eat what you know from experience your system
can handle well,

but

Quoted message said:

emphasize things like bread, rice, pasta (the best-known
carbo-loader),

and so

Quoted message said:

on. Have a good sweet dessert (but not a particularly
fatty one), e.g.,

cake

Quoted message said:

or cookies. This will stock you well with glycogen for
your event.

During a

Quoted message said:

longer event, it is also common to intake enough carbs
on the fly to

maintain

Quoted message said:

your levels, using sport drinks, gels, bananas, fruit,
honey, etc. I

once

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

recovered from a bonk on the road by chugging most of a
jar of honey.

Don't

Quoted message said:

let that happen to you!

In article <[email hidden]>,

Rick Onanian said:

carbo_jim said:

It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans,
hence the atkins revolution.

This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose
ignorance will allow it.

Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet.
An unhealthy diet that's missing important parts can
cause weight loss, which is why no-carb or no-
[protein+fat+whatever] diets can result in lost
weight. The lost weight does not necessarily mean a
healthier body.

Quoted message said:

Let me put it this way, your grandfather was just hunting
and gathering right?

My grandfather bought his food and served on a ship in the
navy. He hunted other ships, and gathered...umm...medals?

Somewhere, pre-civilization, my ancestors did hunt and
gather. Of course, they hunted protein/fat and gathered
carbohydrates. This was many thousands of years ago; since
then, and over an evolutionary-length period, humans of
many/most descents have eaten bread very commonly, maybe
even as most of their diet.

I don't think that, 4500 years ago, the Egyptians building
pyramids were having any "carbohydrate poisoning"
problems, eating bread often.

From touregypt.netdiet.htmOpen ↗ :
:For the common people of Egypt, cereal foods formed the
main :backbone of their diet from the predynastic period
onward.  Even for :the rich, this staple mean generally
consisted of a variety of :different breads, often with
other ingredients mixed in.

Other civilizations also ate bread, prospered, and later
descended to become you and me.

Quoted message said:

And as lean as they were, do you think that carbs were a
dietary artifact, no? No. It is a know proven fact now
that the health of the ancients was due to low carb hi
protein (and yes even some fats).

Their alleged health was due to their exercise -- they had
to run all day to get their food. They didn't live very
long, so their bodies were younger and probably healthier
when they died.

Quoted message said:

For biking I would encourage a solid breakfast of ham and
eggs with coffee.

Carbohydrates are the fuel your body uses best. There's no
sense in depriving your body of it's optimum fuel when
you're asking it to provide high output. Of course, more
important is experimenting to find out what works for
_you_ -- if you perform and/or feel better on ham and eggs
with coffee, then that's definitely what you should have
before a race. The best way to find out is to experiment.

All this talk about food is making me hungry. Gimme a
cheeseburger, with the bun!
--
Rick Onanian

Good post!

A few years ago, there was a show on TV called ³The Infinite
Voyage². They did a study on people living above the 15K
level in Tibet. These people lived on average into the 120
year range.

Their diet, mostly bread and goat products, would kill the
average American by age 40.

The result of the study....... NO stress!

Riding a bike on a daily basis is the best stress
reliever IMNSHO.

HAND

--
³Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness³

- Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution

KB said:

A buddy of mine used to eat a large MacDonalds pizza (when
they made them, way back...) the morning of a race. He
would then proceed to kick our asses..

Jon Stamstad, past Iditabike winner, eats donuts.

Matt O.

"carbo_jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Let me put it this way, your grandfather was just hunting
and gathering

right?

Quoted message said:

And as lean as they were, do you think that carbs were a
dietary artifact,

no?

Even if we allow this misinformation consider the answer to
these questions:
1) Did "your grandfather" ride a bicycle continuously for 8+
hours a day?
2) How long did "your grandfather" live?

Matthew

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Carbo_jim
It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence
the atkins revolution.

That statment is WAY over exagerated and is more "hype" than "fact". Truth is we should be eating a balanced diet, Carbs, protien, and fat. To much of any of those nutrients is unhealthy but the balance is different for each person. Essentially we need to recognize that "food is fuel" and that carbs, protien and fat all have a specific purposes. If your body is going to be burning high volumes of energy you probably need more fuel than protien can provide since it takes the body longer to break down the protien. Carbs can be an excellent source of "on-demand" high energy and actually helps your body during high volume output by providing quick and easily converted energy.

As for the Atkins craze, its alright if your going to sit all day doing next to nothing. Why would you need energy rich food for that? As for the rest of us, we can eat a balanced diet because our bodies will use the fuel rather than store it for later use.

Now I'm going to eat, ride and be happy.

Dan.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Carbo_jim
It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence
the atkins revolution. I would encourage you to investigate
these lo-carb choices othwerwise you are going to be addited
to carbs and that's not a good thing. Let me put it this
way, your grandfather was just hunting and gathering right?
And as lean as they were, do you think that carbs were a
dietary artifact, no? No. It is a know proven fact now that
the health of the ancients was due to low carb hi protein
(and yes even some fats).

For biking I would encourage a solid breakfast of ham and
eggs with coffee.

That statment is WAY over exagerated and is more "hype" than "fact". Truth is we should be eating a balanced diet, carbs, protien, and fat. To much of any of those nutrients is unhealthy but the balance is different for each person. Essentially we need to recognize that "food is fuel" and that carbs, protien and fat all have a specific purposes. If your body is going to be burning high volumes of energy you probably need more fuel than protien can provide since it takes the body longer to break down the protien. Carbs can be an excellent source of "on-demand" high energy and actually helps your body during high volume output by providing quick and easily converted energy.

As for the Atkins craze, its alright if your going to sit all day doing next to nothing. Why would you need energy rich food for that? As for the rest of us, we can eat a balanced diet because our bodies will use the fuel rather than store it for later use.

Now I'm going to eat, ride and be happy.

Dan.

Rick Onanian said:

All this talk about food is making me hungry. Gimme a
cheeseburger, with the bun!

as a vegetarian -- forget the meat, hand me the bun! i could
live off what these yahoos throw away.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

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Quoted message said:

carbo_jim said:

It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans,
hence the atkins revolution.

This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose
ignorance will allow it.

Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet.

Complex carbohydrates are a necesary part of a healthy diet.
It's possible to live quite well without simple sugars.

Quoted message said:

An unhealthy diet that's missing important parts can cause
weight loss, which is why no-carb or no-
[protein+fat+whatever] diets can result in lost weight.

Er, no. Weight loss only occurs when energy out > energy in.
The reason Atkins and similar diets work is primarily
because high protein diets suppress appetite more than other
kinds, so even though people are theoretically allowed to
eat as much as they want (within reason) they simply end up
reducing their calorific intake below their maintenance
levels naturally.

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KB said:

hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really
don't know the answer for sure, but I know that I have
recently read in textbooks that carbo loading helps
store glycogen in muscles, and that for prolonged
efforts, if your muscles run out of glycogen, cramping
etc. will occur... I too am interested to hear what
others here do..

The trick is this...

Eat the carbs, by themselves (i.e., not with fat or
protein) and eat them just before or just after the
exercise. This will cause a rise in insulin, but because
of the needs of the body going into or finishing exercise,
the nutrients will be used to build muscle, and will not
go into fat storage.

That's not possible. Muscles are built from protein. Carbs
are the body's prime source of glucose. You take simple
carbs immediately after exercise to spike your insulin,
replenish muscle glycogen and inhibit cortisol production.
The insulin will enhance muscle uptake of protein, thereby
aiding protein synthesis, as well as uptake of supplements
like creatine. Therefore, to optimise the post-exercise
window (which, BTW, is greatest after anaboloic exercise),
you want whey protein, because it is highly absorbent, and a
50:50 mix of dextrose (glucose) and maltodextrin, because
together they promote the highest stimulation of the
transport mechanisms in the intestinal lumen resulting in
the most efficient absorbtion of macro- and micronutrients
into the blood stream.

Quoted message said:

In between exercise, it's better for those predisposed to
gain weight (fat), to eat higher protein and good fat.

Works for me.

What's actually happening is that your body's energy
buffering mechanisms are coping with your retarded
eating habits.

Quoted message said:

Just before a ride I will eat some small amt of carbs
(couple pieces of chocolate?), and finish with some
diluted OJ. Then about two hours later I'll eat the
protein meal. Two or three hours after that, and just
before or after the next exercise period, I repeat.

I have found that even sugar free drinks or chewing gum
will often suffice. I think in some ppl, the sweet taste
can cause a rise in insulin, and thus movement of nutrient
into muscles.

Insulin is produced as a result of increased blood
sugar levels.

Quoted message said:

Obviously, the converse is true. Beware of eating sweet-
tasting things along with fat, b/c you might be one of
those that has an insulin rise just to the taste, even in
the absence of digestible carbs/glucose.

That's just nonsense. No sugars, no insulin.

--

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Quoted message said:

I have been low carbing for a while to lose a few, but now
I do eat carbs before I take rides over 30 miles. I find
if I don't I hit a wall and did get a bit dizzy once. That
was enough of that. I find for me YMMV, that if I eat a
balanced meal with good carbs the night before and during
the ride eat a banana or some granola or something, I feel
fine. If I am just going to ride like 25 miles I don't pay
attention to what I eat much, just make sure I drink
enough water. I think this would be different for
everyone. I have heard people starting to carbo load 3-4
days in advance. I am not sure why because it takes
something like 24 hours for you to digest food you eat +-.

True carb loading is basically for powerlifters who want
that 101% lift on competition day. Essentially you go low
carb a week or so before the competition and lift like crazy
to deplete your muscle glycogen. Of course, at this point
you feel like [censored] and are as weak as a kitten because
you've got no energy, but then a couple of days before the
competition you go stupid on the carbs and if you time it
right you can achieve a temporary overloading of muscle
glycogen right on competition day. However, it's of sod all
benefit for endurance activities like cycling. Going stupid
on the carbs the night before a race or whatever is just
building up your fat reserves but you don't notice that
because you work it off the next day.

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