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cantis poor performance

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  1. I'm mechanically competent, and have various types of brakes. I rather
    think I know how to set up cantis properly - and I have Ballantine and
    access to Barnett's to be super-sure. My comments were based on
    practical observation rather than theory:

    When initially setting up, Weinmann centrepulls don't normally need to
    be adjusted for toe-in, in/out distance, centreing or bridge cable
    length, unlike cantis. After a few thousand miles you swap them round
    or turn them over, that's it. V-brakes are rare on road-bikes, but
    definitely need less maintenance than cantis on an ATB, pivot point
    distances notwithstanding. Perhaps our different experience is due to
    different canti designs - the arm angle can make a difference to
    centring problems for example.

    I find that when I 'twiddle' canti cables to adjust for wear (rapidish
    in the high traffic-light density area where I live), I usually end up
    adjusting the blocks at the same time. I repeat, that my personal
    experience is that close-clearance Weinmann Vainqueurs are easily
    powerful enough for a loaded road-bike (11st plus average cargos and
    occasional heavy shopping), and they need barely any adjustment at all.
    I've toured on them with no worries at all. I wasn't comparing them
    with dual pivot sidepulls - these are at least as powerful, and more
    sensitive, I find. DP sidepulls are actually quite similar to
    centrepulls in design, but couldn't fit on most of my centrepull bikes,
    with their big clearances and day tour/MA40 type rims.

    O.

    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>,

    grannyhalfstep (') said:

    Must plug centrepull brakes here: (e.g. Weinmann Vainqueurs, Mafacs).
    Better than sidepulls and cantis for roadbikes. Reliable, stay centred,
    powerful, versatile reach, adjust once a year. Cons: would foul canti
    mounting bosses, not suitable for ATBs.

    Don't agree. Can't speak for the Mafacs which may be all right; there's
    nothing wrong with the essential design, and if reasonably well
    engineered out of reasonable quality material they should work. But I
    used Weinmann centrepulls for about twenty years over many tens of
    thousands of miles before I could afford anything better (and still have
    one bike with them on), and my view is that they can only be considered
    powerful when compared to Weinmann sidepull callipers, which are
    completely useless.

    But Weinmann centrepulls are fairly useless. I agree that they're /very/
    easy to adjust, and relatively low maintenance - it was for their ease
    of adjustment that I used to use them. But nothing like as good as a
    good quality dual pivot calliper.

    I suppose they're OK if you live in fairly flat country and don't carry
    much weight on the bike - they are /extremely/ easy to set up.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel
    has been switched off.

  2. grannyhalfstep said:

    in the high traffic-light density area where I live), I usually end up

    That took me a couple of goes before I parsed it right - couldn't make
    much sense of "high traffic" - "light density" 🙂

    Roos

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