Can you make it to the market on a bike?

[Joe the Aroma]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Jul 25, 2:11 pm, "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Some things are worth doing for the sake of civilization regardless of
>> > the
>> > hoi polloi who do not know their asses from a hole in the ground. Too
>> > much
>> > democracy in action is a recipe for disaster.
>>
>> Hey, all I'm saying is that don't think it's a lack of democracy that is
>> the
>> reason there isn't bike lanes.
>
> Oh yes. Democratic societies would build BIKE LANES and have HEALTH
> INSURANCE, though I don't know how the last one applies here.

Errr, no they wouldn't. The last might be true if most people didn't have
health insurance.

>> >> I'm not saying it's right, I'm for bike lanes because they're a lot
>> >> cheaper than mass transit that probably will not be used. Bike riding
>> >> is
>> >> the perfect antidote to many of our's, and society's, problems and I
>> >> wish
>> >> the naysays would not lump this one in with the rest of what idiotic
>> >> greens spout off.
>>
>> > We need bike paths going every which way (just as we need sidewalks)
>> > and
>> > we also need mass transit going every which way. The main thing we need
>> > to
>> > get rid of is the god damn private motor vehicle.
>>
>> Nah, we need people who can learn to live with other forms of
>> transportation, whether it be cars or bicycles.
>
> OK, and where are they coexisting? Perhaps in small places like Key
> West? No wonder people feel so free down there.

Well... not in a lot of places. We need to change some policies changed in
this country, along with some fundamental assumptions. I won't get into
them, other than to say that the one that comes to mind is that driving is a
"right" and not a "priveledge".

 

[Joe the Aroma]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Jul 25, 4:40 am, "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I think it has to with the lions considering the frugal bikes mere
>> > peanuts.They are still important to the monkey though...
>>
>> > RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS
>>
>> > OK, since the lion (for whom "peanuts" is not important) refuses to
>> > listen to the monkey asking for bike facilities,* let's scrutinize the
>> > secrets ($$$) of the political jungle, where "democracy" is the word
>> > of choice...
>>
>> > "The highest measure of democracy is neither the 'extent of freedom'
>> > nor the 'extent of equality', but rather the highest measure of
>> > participation" -A. d. Benoist
>>
>> > Then I'd assume that 50% of the American public and 80% of the young
>> > who don't vote do not live in democracy. Or perhaps they see it as a
>> > waste of time --and money.
>>
>> > "Remember the Golden Rule: Those with the Gold, Rule" (saying)
>>
>> > "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (title of book)
>>
>> > And this one...
>>
>> > "Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the
>> > government listens" -Alastair Farrugia
>>
>> > Which explains why bike lanes won't happen in the foreseeable future.
>>
>> Your idiotic platitudes aside, the reason why bike lanes won't happen is
>> because of democracy, the vast majority of people do not bike and
>> therefor
>> do not demand bike lanes. Democracy in action.
>
> OK fine, we will have them with the revolution. The sheep in democracy
> votes for the wolf in sheep's clothing. And the wolf couldn't care
> less about bikes once in power. Take the lane and problem solved...
>
> The Revolution Will Not be Motorized
> by Robin Buckallew
> So you say you want a revolution? Well, we all want to change the
> world. So what? Quit *****ing and moaning, quit bellyaching, and get
> off your duff. There is no way to change the world by sitting on your
> ass in an air conditioned room, even if you listen to nothing but
> early Dylan and read nothing but Hunter Thompson. You can't change the
> world unless you change yourself first. As Gandhi used to say, "Be the
> change you want to see in the world".
> http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/GlobalWarning/1054.html
>
> *WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN TO TAKE THE LANE*
> Yes, why not. If we are some more than a nuisance to drivers, then we
> too belong in the lane, the middle of the lane that is, since we can't
> be happy with the scraps of riding in the gutter, and then be
> terrorized there too, like it happened to me the other day when a
> black SUV blasted the horn in an act of intimidation. The Big Fish
> eats the Little Fish, but the sardines had it. Well, the Jungle may
> never be the same...

I saw Cheney mentioned (what he has to do with any of this is beyond me) and
I saw that it said it was better in the 70's. No wonder you anti-car people
are a bunch of marginalized freaks. You're LOONY, and if you weren't you
could actually convince people to create bike lanes or trails or whatever,
and it would be a good thing. Posting loony article does you no good.

> Please see 'RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS' at
> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote88
>

 

[Joe the Aroma]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Joe the Aroma wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Your idiotic platitudes aside, the reason why bike lanes won't happen
>>>>> is because of democracy, the vast majority of people do not bike and
>>>>> therefor do not demand bike lanes. Democracy in action.
>>>>
>>>> Or at least, bike lanes that are worth using. Lots of them aren't:
>>>> they tend to mean cyclists relinquish rights of way at any junctions,
>>>> provide routes inferior to the road (both in terms of condition and
>>>> routing) and give drivers the impression that bikes have no place on
>>>> the roads.
>>>>
>>>> The degree to which it is possible to cycle on the roads will, I'm
>>>> sure, vary from place to place, but in the UK it's generally not a
>>>> problem, and you look at the government's figures for accidents and you
>>>> can see that it isn't a problem (mile for mile, slightly less dangerous
>>>> than being a pedestrian). But the general /perception/ is that it's
>>>> verging on the suicidal to cycle on roads with motor traffic and thus
>>>> we need bike paths. The reality is that it isn't, and we don't.
>>>
>>> What an idiot - in fact, such an idiot that he is not even worth
>>> responding to.
>>
>> You know I'm right, little man.
>
> Examine Peter Clinch's self-serving signature and then examine mine. Now
> you know who is Great and who is a midget and a dwarf. Ah, for the good
> old days of Victorian and Edwardian England!

What? Who the fsck is Peter Clinch?

 

[Bill Z.]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Your idiotic platitudes aside, the reason why bike lanes won't happen is
> >> because of democracy, the vast majority of people do not bike and
> >> therefor
> >> do not demand bike lanes. Democracy in action.
> >
> > We have plenty of bike lanes around here. Many are along routes
> > children use to ride their bicycles to school. It may surprise you,
> > but a "majority of people" have children and will support anything
> > that they think will reduce the chances of their children being
> > injured. Bike lanes are also popular with commuters, who feel more
> > comfortable when there is one. And our traffic engineers like them as
> > well - on expressways or similar heavily used road, the bike lanes
> > double as breakdown lanes or as areas where cars can merge into to let
> > emergency vehicles get by. The cost difference between a bike lane
> > versus a striped shoulder is basically zero.
>
> Bike lanes are not as safe as many imagine them to be. An idiotic driver can
> easily wipe you out and then claim that he never saw you.

We weren't talking about how "safe" they were. The issue was whether
the government would install them given that most people don't ride
bicycles. I pointed out that most voters have children and those
children ride bicycles.

> > In case there is any confusion, a bike lane is part of a road
> > and should not be confused with a bike path, which is a completely
> > separate facility. The paths are popular too, as they are really
> > bicycle/pedestrian paths.
>
> Bike paths are the only way to go. They are extremely safe as long as you
> keep your speed down.

Not true, unless the paths don't cross streets very often. A
bi-directional path paralleling a street is dangerous at every
intersection. It's been shown that riding the wrong way on a
sidewalk is several times more dangerous than riding in the
same direction as traffic on a roadway (with the accidents
occuring at the intersections).

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

 

[Bill Sornson]

Tony Raven wrote:
> Amy Blankenship wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea about cows, but it's probably fairly similar.
>>
>
> If you divide the amount of methane produced per annum by cows with
> their annual milk production and multiply by 30 to allow for the fact
> that methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 you end
> up with about 3.5kg of CO2 equivalent per gallon of milk. That is
> about 17 miles of a 200g/km car or 35 miles of a low emission car
> like the Prius. And that allows nothing for the fossil fuel
> consumption of agriculture in farm vehicles, fertiliser, transport
> and distribution.
> Surprised?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. "They" don't want to hear this.

 

[Joe the Aroma]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Jul 25, 12:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bike paths are the way to go and surely in the future there will be
>> thousands and thousands of miles of such paths everywhere. The fact is
>> that
>> none of us are safe on the roads and highways where we have to share the
>> lane with motor vehicles.
>
> They won't happen without a revolution. No political will. Our roads
> will remain a jungle until the end of times, which is near if we
> insist on launching war over precious resources. "Saving" is missing
> from the American English Dictionary. There's hope though...
>
> http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/?l1=Coming+Soon:&l2=the&l3=Banana+Revolution!&l4=
>
> THE BANANA REVOLUTION
> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

Cuckoo, cuckkoo.

 

[Michael Warner]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:50:23 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:

> garages: time spent watching automobile commercials or attending
> consumer education meetings to improve quality of the next buy.

Americans go to meetings to learn how to buy cars? Wow.

 

[Michael Warner]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:14:44 -0700, Jack May wrote:

> So what. If people consider a bike an inferior way to commute, then all
> your arguments are worthless.

I consider the average car driver to be a fat, lazy, overstressed,
thoughtless slob, even if he gets there first. So much for /your/
arguments.

 

[Zoot Katz]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:46:49 +0930, Michael Warner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:50:23 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:
>
>> garages: time spent watching automobile commercials or attending
>> consumer education meetings to improve quality of the next buy.
>
>Americans go to meetings to learn how to buy cars? Wow.

They attend automobile trade shows in droves.
--
zk

 

[Bill Z.]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> "Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > We have plenty of bike lanes around here. Many are along routes
> >> > children use to ride their bicycles to school. It may surprise you,
> >> > but a "majority of people" have children and will support anything
> >> > that they think will reduce the chances of their children being
> >> > injured. Bike lanes are also popular with commuters, who feel more
> >> > comfortable when there is one. And our traffic engineers like them as
> >> > well - on expressways or similar heavily used road, the bike lanes
> >> > double as breakdown lanes or as areas where cars can merge into to let
> >> > emergency vehicles get by. The cost difference between a bike lane
> >> > versus a striped shoulder is basically zero.
> >>
> >> Bike lanes are not as safe as many imagine them to be. An idiotic
> >> driver can easily wipe you out and then claim that he never saw
> >> you.
> >
> > We weren't talking about how "safe" they were. The issue was
> > whether the government would install them given that most people
> > don't ride bicycles. I pointed out that most voters have children
> > and those children ride bicycles.
>
> No, you confounded idiot, it is all about safety. No one in their
> right mind gives a damn about anything else.

You know, for a know-nothing moron, Dolan sure is arrogant.

If you think public support for bike lanes is based on hard data about
how safe they are, you are an idiot - public support is based purely
on perceptions, and most people think bike lanes are safer. The
reality is that bike lanes have little impact on actual safety, but do
have a noticable impact on comfort level - many people simply feel
safer when in a bike lane, and figure their kids will be safer
too. That's as far as they go with it. Meanwhile, the school
districts figure it is easy to teach younger children to stay on the
right side of a bike-lane stripe rather than to try to teach these
chlidren to behave like licensed drivers. So the schools push for
bike lanes too, and the parents go along with it.

> > Not true, unless the paths don't cross streets very often. A
> > bi-directional path paralleling a street is dangerous at every
> > intersection. It's been shown that riding the wrong way on a
> > sidewalk is several times more dangerous than riding in the
> > same direction as traffic on a roadway (with the accidents
> > occuring at the intersections).
>
> Idiots like Bill Z are driving me crazy. Cyclists on a bike path must stop,
> look and listen at every intersection with a street. Who would be so stupid
> as not to do this? Bill Z apparently.

If Dolan had bothered to read anything before shooting off his fat
mouth, he would know about some of the literature. In particular,
Wachtel and Lewiston (1994) Risk Factors for Bicycle-Motor Vehicle
Collisions at Intersections; ITE Journal, September, 1994. You can
read a copy on-line at
<http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Library/riskfactors.htm>. In particular
you should read the following:

"Bicyclists on a sidewalk or bicycle path incur greater risk
than those on the roadway (on average 1.8 times as great),
most likely because of blind conflicts at intersections.
Wrong-way sidewalk bicyclists are at even greater risk, and
sidewalk bicycling appears to increase the inci­dence of
wrong-way travel."

That's based on real-world measurements, not mindless speculation
from some usenet kook like Dolan.

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[George Conklin]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message >

> Marc, the day of the car is numbered.

Like mules, right?

 

[Zoot Katz]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:46:49 +0930, Michael Warner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:50:23 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:
>
>> garages: time spent watching automobile commercials or attending
>> consumer education meetings to improve quality of the next buy.
>
>Americans go to meetings to learn how to buy cars? Wow.

They attend automobile trade shows in droves.

They get invitations to coffee klatch, wine & cheese parties, buffets
and barbecues from the local automobile dealerships where they're
customers.

And to clarify, Zoot Katz did not_write what has drawn these idiotic
responses form from the unwashed, it was written by IVAN ILLICH.

Zoot Katz posted a quote - in quotation marks with the attribution.
Get it?

Here's a few more of his quotes to twist your knickers.

"The bicycle is the perfect transducer to match man's metabolic
energy to the impedance of locomotion. Equipped with this tool, man
outstrips the efficiency of not only all machines but all other
animals as well. Bicycles let people move with greater speed without
taking up significant amounts of scarce space, energy, or time. They
can spend fewer hours on each mile and still travel more miles in a
year. They can get the benefit of technological breakthroughs without
putting undue claims on the schedules, energy, or space of others.
They become masters of their own movements without blocking those of
their fellows. Their new tool creates only those demands which it can
also satisfy. Every increase in motorized speed creates new demands
on space and time. The use of the bicycle is self-limiting. It allows
people to create a new relationship between their life-space and
their life-time, between their territory and the pulse of their
being, without destroying their inherited balance. The advantages of
modern self-powered traffic are obvious, and ignored. That better
traffic runs faster is asserted, but never proved. Before they ask
people to pay for it, those who propose acceleration should try to
display the evidence for their claim."
---
"The bicycle also uses little space. Eighteen bikes can be parked in
the place of one car, thirty of them can move along in the space
devoured by a single automobile. It takes three lanes of a given size
to move 40,000 people across a bridge in one hour by using automated
trains, four to move them on buses, twelve to move them in their
cars, and only two lanes for them to pedal across on bicycles."
-- Ivan Illich, Energy and Equity, Toward a History of Needs, 1978.
http://ranprieur.com/readings/illichcars.html
---
"The compulsion to do good is an innate American trait. Only North
Americans seem to believe that they always should, may, and actually
can choose somebody with whom to share their blessings. Ultimately
this attitude leads to bombing people into the acceptance of gifts."
--
zk

 

[Bill Z.]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> "Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> "Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We have plenty of bike lanes around here. Many are along routes
> >> >> > children use to ride their bicycles to school. It may surprise you,
> >> >> > but a "majority of people" have children and will support anything
> >> >> > that they think will reduce the chances of their children being
> >> >> > injured. Bike lanes are also popular with commuters, who feel more
> >> >> > comfortable when there is one. And our traffic engineers like them
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > well - on expressways or similar heavily used road, the bike lanes
> >> >> > double as breakdown lanes or as areas where cars can merge into to
> >> >> > let
> >> >> > emergency vehicles get by. The cost difference between a bike lane
> >> >> > versus a striped shoulder is basically zero.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bike lanes are not as safe as many imagine them to be. An idiotic
> >> >> driver can easily wipe you out and then claim that he never saw
> >> >> you.
> >> >
> >> > We weren't talking about how "safe" they were. The issue was
> >> > whether the government would install them given that most people
> >> > don't ride bicycles. I pointed out that most voters have children
> >> > and those children ride bicycles.
> >>
> >> No, you confounded idiot, it is all about safety. No one in their
> >> right mind gives a damn about anything else.
> >
> > You know, for a know-nothing moron, Dolan sure is arrogant.
>
> Well, I know what I know and I have no tolerance for idiots who essentially
> know nothing.

Then you should have zero tolerance for yourself!


<insults from Dolan snipped>
> >
> > If Dolan had bothered to read anything before shooting off his fat
> > mouth, he would know about some of the literature. In particular,
> > Wachtel and Lewiston (1994) Risk Factors for Bicycle-Motor Vehicle
> > Collisions at Intersections; ITE Journal, September, 1994. You can
> > read a copy on-line at
> > <http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Library/riskfactors.htm>. In particular
> > you should read the following:
>
> I will never read any of that **** because it is irrelevant. All that is
> required to know anything about cycling is an ounce of common sense,
> something that is very rare in cyclists as Bill Z proves every time he posts
> his stupid and misleading messages.

Dolan is a bald-faced liar - I posted a citation and quote from an
article that appeared in a peer-reviewed journal. If he thinks these
journals are "****", he has simply proven himself to be a crackpot.

> > "Bicyclists on a sidewalk or bicycle path incur greater risk
> > than those on the roadway (on average 1.8 times as great),
> > most likely because of blind conflicts at intersections.
> > Wrong-way sidewalk bicyclists are at even greater risk, and
> > sidewalk bicycling appears to increase the incidence of
> > wrong-way travel."
> >
> > That's based on real-world measurements, not mindless speculation
> > from some usenet kook like Dolan.
>
> I am always assuming an intelligent cyclist in my speculations, not an idiot
> like Bill Z.

Dolan has proven himself to be a rude, idiotic usenet kook who ignores
the facts. The article I quoted was published in the Institute of
Transportation Engineers Journal, a peer reviewed publication. With
no real argument, Dolan has no response other than childish personal
insults about how I behave on a bicycle, none of which are true (which
makes Dolan a liar in addition to his other personal problems.)

The facts are that there are a very large number of bicyclists in
the U.S. who are simply incompetent. It is no surprise - they never
got any real training - but it is the current state of affairs. Dolan's
speculations are just that - mindless thoughts with no data to back
them up.

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[donquijote1954]

On Jul 25, 3:55 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On Jul 25, 12:16 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > These surveys also tried to compare the accident probalities on the
> >> > part
> >> > of the road between crossings. The couldn't find a clear trend,
> >> > possibly
> >> > because there aren't enough accidents that you can mine any statistical
> >> > information from it.
>
> >> You only need to die once in order to be quite dead.
>
> > Unless you believe you can enjoy biking in Heaven. I don't.
>
> Don Quijote appears to be a kindred soul. I will have to pay more attention
> to him in the future.
>
> By the way, what is with the 1954? That is the year of my graduation from
> high school.

It only means that the new Quixote was born in that year.

I got an idea for a new type of car. Well, the mechanics of it have
been around for a while, but now it really comes handy when we are
fighting (and losing) a war over oil and producing Global Warming.
Here it is...

http://www.rhoadescar.com/

We can perfectly ride in the middle of the lane, while all those
engine-bound couch potatoes participate in the rat race. Like the
idea, Sancho?

 

[Zoot Katz]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:46:46 +0100, Tony Raven <[email protected]>
wrote:

>donquijote1954 wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 3:06 am, "Geoff Pearson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> what do you do with a gallon of milk - sounds much more dangerous than
>>> cycling?-
>>
>> A gallon of milk is better than a gallon of gas. Hopefully the milk is
>> still "Made in USA"...
>>
>> Gas guzzlers are feeding injustice and terrorism.
>>
>>
>
>Do you know how much gas is consumed and methane produced in the
>production and delivery of a gallon of milk?
>
>Tony

"It takes thirty-five calories of fossil fuel to make one calorie of
beef, sixty-eight to make one calorie of pork."

"Every single calorie we eat is backed by at least a calorie of oil,
more like ten. In 1940 the average farm in the United States produced
2.3 calories of food energy for every calorie of fossil energy it
used. By 1974 (the last year in which anyone looked closely at this
issue), that ratio was 1:1. And this understates the problem, because
at the same time that there is more oil in our food there is less oil
in our oil. A couple of generations ago we spent a lot less energy
drilling, pumping, and distributing than we do now. In the 1940s we
got about 100 barrels of oil back for every barrel of oil we spent
getting it. Today each barrel invested in the process returns only
ten."

"According to one set of calculations, we spend more calories of
fossil-fuel energy making ethanol from grain than we gain from it.
The Department of Agriculture says the ratio is closer to a gallon
and a quart of ethanol for every gallon of fossil fuel we invest."

Excerpted from http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/02/0079915
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zk

 

[donquijote1954]

On Jul 25, 5:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On Jul 25, 12:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Bike paths are the way to go and surely in the future there will be
> >> thousands and thousands of miles of such paths everywhere. The fact is
> >> that
> >> none of us are safe on the roads and highways where we have to share the
> >> lane with motor vehicles.
>
> > They won't happen without a revolution. No political will. Our roads
> > will remain a jungle until the end of times, which is near if we
> > insist on launching war over precious resources. "Saving" is missing
> > from the American English Dictionary. There's hope though...
>
> Hey Don Quijote, I am hoping that gas goes to $20. a gallon. That is what it
> will take to get America to abandon their cars. And the sooner the better!

The couch potatoes will have to abandon the comfort of their automatic
vehicles. Which, by the way, it's killing them in types of deseases.

The dictatorship of the lazy and stupid over the fit and smart will
end.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Jul 25, 7:10 pm, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tony Raven wrote:
> > Amy Blankenship wrote:
>
> >> I have no idea about cows, but it's probably fairly similar.
>
> > If you divide the amount of methane produced per annum by cows with
> > their annual milk production and multiply by 30 to allow for the fact
> > that methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 you end
> > up with about 3.5kg of CO2 equivalent per gallon of milk. That is
> > about 17 miles of a 200g/km car or 35 miles of a low emission car
> > like the Prius. And that allows nothing for the fossil fuel
> > consumption of agriculture in farm vehicles, fertiliser, transport
> > and distribution.
> > Surprised?
>
> Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. "They" don't want to hear this.

We better feed all-American cows than feed injustice in the world.

Well, I hope they are not crazy anyway.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Jul 25, 9:33 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The History Channel on Cable TV is showing a series of programs on The
> Universe. I do not think it would be such a bad thing if a large asteroid
> came crashing into the earth and sent us the way of the dinosaurs. I don't
> know about you, but I am heartily sick of human kind. The sooner we perish,
> the better!

Well, the revolution should be getting here on time before the next...

EVOLVE OR ELSE!

Once upon a time lived a race of dinosaurs whose violence and appetite
alarmed everybody... One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped
upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the
Americanus Raptor --the biggest dinosaur of them all-- and asked: "Why
you eat and eat everything in your path? Why don't you slim down? Why
can't we little animals at least have our own way?" Then the dinosaur,
blowing the Little Ant away, shouted: "Bigger is better, so get
lost!"

The Little Ant, then, gathered the whole cooperative and said:
"Comrades, our world is being threatened by the dinosaurs, so..." And
at that precise moment the Earth was hit by a big ball of fire,
destroying all but the small animals...

Moral: "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the
most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." -Charles
Darwin

 

[Bill Sornson]

George Conklin wrote:

> Like mules, right?

Can take 'em or leave 'em.

 

[Bill Z.]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> Anyone but me notice how others (scoundrels) are quick to call those with
> whom they disagree liars. Hellls Bells, I just assume that Bill Z is an
> ignorant cuss like all his tribe of so-called fact finders. It would never
> even occur to me to call him a liar since he is essentially such a numskull.

Dolan, you proved yourself to be a liar by posting false accusations
that suggested dangerous cycling on my part, and that was simply a lie
that you repeated over and over. If you don't like being called a liar
in public, then stop posting lies - the lie was obvious as we've never
met so there is no way for you to have a clue about safe I am when
riding a bicycle.

Then you go around calling people "numskulls" after they back up what
they say with citations to peer reviewed journals. That behavior really
makes you look like a fool.

> By the way, I will never go to any links (citations). Either say it yourself
> or forget about it.

I'm not going to cut and paste a 10 page article with various figures
just for your benefit. If you are too ignorant to read a peer
reviewed article, one 'click' away, then maybe you should stick to
safe subjects: your health and the weather. At least that would spare
us from listening to you croon like a bilious pidgeon.

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB