Campy cassettes w/o lock ring?

The hub did come with a metal silver gasket/washer that fit over the entire hub and was secured in
place with a black rubber o-ring. But it's pretty thin and has no threads, so it doesn't look like a
lock ring to me, unless THIS is what Campy meant when they said they didn't include it with their
cassettes. But doesn't there have to be some threaded ring that fits over the smallest cog with the
Campy brand name stamped on it, that holds everything together? Does THIS come with their cassettes?

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I noticed on Campy's site that their road cassettes don't seem to come

with

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lock rings. They claim that since freehubs come with them, there was no

need

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to supply them w/cassettes. Is this true? I recently bought a new Mavic Cosmos wheelset on sale
(Colorado Cyclist, $200) and they don't appear to have a lock ring. Are Campy cassettes compatible
with the Cosmos hub, and

if

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so where do I get a lock ring for it if I go with Campy cassettes? (Maybe

I

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need to go digging through the box the wheels came in!)

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I think I just found the answer to my question. It seems that Campy cassettes don't work with
Shimano-type freewheels, and vice-versa. So the Cosmos, which come with Shimano-type freehubs,
apparently will not accept Campy cassettes. And Campy-compatible freehubs apparently DO come with a
lock ring.

Is this the case?

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The hub did come with a metal silver gasket/washer that fit over the

entire

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hub and was secured in place with a black rubber o-ring. But it's pretty thin and has no threads,
so it doesn't look like a lock ring to me, unless THIS is what Campy meant when they said they
didn't include it with their cassettes. But doesn't there have to be some threaded ring that fits
over the smallest cog with the Campy brand name stamped on it, that holds everything together?
Does THIS come with their cassettes?

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I noticed on Campy's site that their road cassettes don't seem to come

with

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lock rings. They claim that since freehubs come with them, there was no

need

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to supply them w/cassettes. Is this true? I recently bought a new Mavic Cosmos wheelset on sale
(Colorado Cyclist, $200) and they don't appear

to

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have a lock ring. Are Campy cassettes compatible with the Cosmos hub,

and

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if

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so where do I get a lock ring for it if I go with Campy cassettes?

(Maybe

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I

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need to go digging through the box the wheels came in!)

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I think I just found the answer to my question. It seems that Campy cassettes don't work with
Shimano-type freewheels, and vice-versa

That's right, they don't fit Shimano-type hubs

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So the Cosmos, which come with Shimano-type freehubs, apparently will not accept Campy cassettes.
And Campy-compatible freehubs apparently DO come with a lock ring.

That would make sense but I don't really know about Cosmos hubs.

Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings, Campag hubs do.

If not returning the wheel, Shimano cassette could be used with your Campag system if you really
want although you won't be able to use 10 cogs. Do you have 9 or 10-speed shifters?

~PB

I'm still in the process of selecting components so all I have are the wheels and brakes right now.
I've done some more research and it looks like I can keep the Cosmos and just put a Shimano 9 cog
cassette on them, and use them with a Campy Ergo shifter/rder setup.

The only question is whether this works with both the 9 or 10spd Ergos, or just the 9spd. It would
be nice to go with the 10spd, in case I eventually decide to upgrade to a Campy hub-compatible wheel
and get a 10 cog cassette.

Alternatively, I've heard that there are 3rd party 10 cog cassettes that fits on a Shimano hub. Know
anything about those? Either way, I'd prefer a 10spd Ergo to a 9spd, but am not sure if it's
compatible with a 9 cog Shimano cassette.

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Kovie said:

I think I just found the answer to my question. It seems that Campy cassettes don't work with
Shimano-type freewheels, and vice-versa

That's right, they don't fit Shimano-type hubs

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So the Cosmos, which come with Shimano-type freehubs, apparently will not accept Campy
cassettes. And Campy-compatible freehubs apparently DO come with a lock ring.

That would make sense but I don't really know about Cosmos hubs.

Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings, Campag hubs do.

If not returning the wheel, Shimano cassette could be used with your Campag system if you really
want although you won't be able to use 10 cogs. Do you have 9 or 10-speed shifters?

~PB

-Kovie, Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings. Your Mavic wheel set should come with one
intended to be used with it. --Jim

Kovie said:

I'm still in the process of selecting components so all I have are the wheels and brakes right
now. I've done some more research and it looks like I can keep the Cosmos and just put a Shimano 9
cog cassette on them, and use them with a Campy Ergo shifter/rder setup.

The only question is whether this works with both the 9 or 10spd Ergos, or just the 9spd.

Just 9sp unless something is modified..........

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It would be nice to go with the 10spd, in case I eventually decide to upgrade to a Campy
hub-compatible wheel and get a 10 cog cassette.

Alternatively, I've heard that there are 3rd party 10 cog cassettes that fits on a Shimano hub.
Know anything about those? Either way, I'd prefer a 10spd Ergo to a 9spd, but am not sure if it's
compatible with a 9 cog Shimano cassette.

Marchsio make cassettes and sprockets that can be customized and spaced any way you like. I don't
think there's room for 10 cogs on the hub though, but 9 with 10sp spacers could be used with 10sp
shifters by locking the 1st position out with the derailleur. See: anysystem.deanysystem.deOpen ↗ and
www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html#spacing

Personally, I would try to swap those wheels right now: either with the supplier or a cyclist who's
switching from Campag to Shimano.

~PB

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kovie
[B]I'm still in the process of selecting components so all I have are the wheels and brakes right now.
I've done some more research and it looks like I can keep the Cosmos and just put a Shimano 9 cog
cassette on them, and use them with a Campy Ergo shifter/rder setup.

The only question is whether this works with both the 9 or 10spd Ergos, or just the 9spd. It would
be nice to go with the 10spd, in case I eventually decide to upgrade to a Campy hub-compatible wheel
and get a 10 cog cassette.

Alternatively, I've heard that there are 3rd party 10 cog cassettes that fits on a Shimano hub. Know
anything about those? Either way, I'd prefer a 10spd Ergo to a 9spd, but am not sure if it's
compatible with a 9 cog Shimano cassette.

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Kovie said:

I think I just found the answer to my question. It seems that Campy cassettes don't work with
Shimano-type freewheels, and vice-versa

That's right, they don't fit Shimano-type hubs

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So the Cosmos, which come with Shimano-type freehubs, apparently will not accept Campy
cassettes. And Campy-compatible freehubs apparently DO come with a lock ring.

That would make sense but I don't really know about Cosmos hubs.

Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings, Campag hubs do.

If not returning the wheel, Shimano cassette could be used with your Campag system if you really
want although you won't be able to use 10 cogs. Do you have 9 or 10-speed shifters?

~PB [/B]

It didn't as far as I can tell. Don't Shimano cassettes come with LR's, unlike Campy's?

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-Kovie, Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings. Your Mavic wheel set should come with one
intended to be used with it. --Jim

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There are also aftermarket cassettes thet will get 9 or 10 campy spaced

cogs on a shimano 9 >> speed hub, and ]www.excelsports.com has them.

Short of swapping my Shimano-compatible wheels for Campy-compatible wheels, isn't this the most
sensible not to mention flexible way to combine Campy shifters with Shimano hubs? If I understand
you correctly, I'd get a Campy 10spd drivetrain on a Shimano hub. Any drawbacks to such a setup,
other than that it would technically not be all-Campy?

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Kovie said:

I'm still in the process of selecting components so all I have are the wheels and brakes right
now. I've done some more research and it looks like I can keep the Cosmos and just put a
Shimano 9 cog cassette on them, and use them with a Campy Ergo shifter/rder setup. The only
question is whether this works with both the 9 or 10spd

Ergos,

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or just the 9spd. It would be nice to go with the 10spd, in case I eventually decide to
upgrade to a Campy hub-compatible wheel and get a 10 cog cassette. Alternatively, I've heard
that there are 3rd party 10 cog cassettes

that

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fits on a Shimano hub. Know anything about those? Either way, I'd

prefer

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a 10spd Ergo to a 9spd, but am not sure if it's compatible with a 9

cog

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Shimano cassette.
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> I think I just found the answer to my question. It seems that

Campy

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> cassettes don't work with Shimano-type freewheels, and vice-versa

That's right, they don't fit Shimano-type hubs

> So the Cosmos, which come with Shimano-type freehubs, apparently will not accept Campy
> cassettes. And Campy-compatible freehubs apparently DO come with a lock ring.

That would make sense but I don't really know about Cosmos hubs.

Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings, Campag hubs do.

If not returning the wheel, Shimano cassette could be used with your Campag system if you
really want although you won't be able to use

10

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cogs. Do you have 9 or 10-speed shifters?

~PB

Shimano 9 speed cog spcing is 4.34mm and Campy 9 is 4.55mm. campy 10 is 4.12mm.There are
compatibility issues in mixing shimano and campy stuff even tho both are 9 sped.They have
different shifter cable pull/derailer throw ratios. Having said that, a shimano 9 speed cassette
and chain usually works ok with a Campy 9 speed shifter and RD, because the spacing is close
enough to allow it. You can also use a campy 10 shifter with a shimano RD, 9 speed chain and
cassette by using an alternate cable mount position as described in an article on tandem gearing
at www.hubbub.com[/url] Given your appaent limited knowledge base,I think I think you should
stick with one manufactures componrents and sidestep alot of frustration, not to mention
throwing some money away on stuff that does not work together. There are also aftermarket
cassettes thet will get 9 or 10 campy spaced cogs on a shimano 9 speed hub, and
]www.excelsports.com has them.

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Is the 10s-9s mod difficult, expensive and/or klunky? Can the 9s be converted to 10s?

Also, what do you think of Campy Centaur vs. Shimano Ultegra triple BBs & cranks? They both cost and
weigh about the same, although I like the look of the Centaurs better. Any reason to get one over
another, especially with the setup I'm proposing?

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Kovie said:

I'm still in the process of selecting components so all I have are the wheels and brakes right
now. I've done some more research and it looks like I can keep the Cosmos and just put a Shimano
9 cog cassette on them, and use them with a Campy Ergo shifter/rder setup.

The only question is whether this works with both the 9 or 10spd Ergos, or just the 9spd.

Just 9sp unless something is modified..........

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It would be nice to go with the 10spd, in case I eventually decide to upgrade to a Campy
hub-compatible wheel and get a 10 cog cassette.

Alternatively, I've heard that there are 3rd party 10 cog cassettes that fits on a Shimano hub.
Know anything about those? Either way, I'd prefer a 10spd Ergo to a 9spd, but am not sure if
it's compatible with a 9 cog Shimano cassette.

Marchsio make cassettes and sprockets that can be customized and spaced any way you like. I don't
think there's room for 10 cogs on the hub though, but 9 with 10sp spacers could be used with 10sp
shifters by locking the 1st position out with the derailleur. See: anysystem.deanysystem.deOpen ↗ and
www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html#spacing

Personally, I would try to swap those wheels right now: either with the supplier or a cyclist
who's switching from Campag to Shimano.

~PB

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It didn't as far as I can tell. Don't Shimano cassettes come with LR's, unlike Campy's?

I think you overlook an important thing. ShimaNO casettes are not a better product because they
comes with a LR. Campy changed the diameter of the LR in '98 from 26mm to 27mm, and from that year
the LR started to be "a part" of the hub instead of the casette. Why?? - to eliminate any problems
when buying a new casette. By the way, you only need one at a time, so any ShimaNO user wearing out
casettes must have tons of LR laying around 😉 Campy LR are avaiable as spareparts in either steel
or titan, so I don't see any problems for Campy fans.....

regards

Ove Simonsen

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Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings. Your Mavic wheel set should come with one intended
to be used with it. --Jim

Who said anything about one cassette being better or worse, or one arrangement being better or
worse? I was just asking about whether Shimano hubs came with lock rings the way Campy's do, or if
they come with cassettes. Now I know--it's the latter with Shimano. Whether this is better or worse
is something I'll let others decide. It's a moot point for me anyway, as with this hub I'm pretty
much "stuck" with Shimano cassettes.

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It didn't as far as I can tell. Don't Shimano cassettes come with LR's, unlike Campy's?

I think you overlook an important thing. ShimaNO casettes are not a better product because they
comes with a LR. Campy changed the diameter of the LR in '98 from 26mm to 27mm, and from that year
the LR started to be "a part" of the hub instead of the casette. Why?? - to eliminate any problems
when buying a new casette. By the way, you only need one at a time, so any ShimaNO user wearing
out casettes must have tons of LR laying around 😉 Campy LR are avaiable as spareparts in either
steel or titan, so I don't see any problems for Campy fans.....

regards

Ove Simonsen

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Campag cassettes do not come with lockrings. Your Mavic wheel set should come with one
intended to be used with it. --Jim

Kovie said:

Also, what do you think of Campy Centaur vs. Shimano Ultegra triple BBs & cranks? They both cost
and weigh about the same, although I like the look of the Centaurs better. Any reason to get one
over another, especially with the setup I'm proposing?

They both will work. I've don't have enough knowledge/experience with modern Shimano road cranks to
have a clear opinion which is best, but I'm happy with my Campag triple cranks*. Points to
investigate & consider: q-factor, stiffness (compare BB spindles and general design, etc), ease and
reliabilty of fit (Campag uses square taper, Ultegra splined).

* (Veloce). Note. Mirage, Veloce and Centaur cranks are the same (apart from finish), it's just the
rings that differ.

~PB

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Who said anything about one cassette being better or worse, or one arrangement being better or
worse? I was just asking about whether Shimano hubs came with lock rings the way Campy's do, or if
they come with cassettes. Now I know--it's the latter with Shimano. Whether this is better or
worse is something I'll let others decide. It's a moot point for me anyway, as with this hub I'm
pretty much "stuck" with Shimano cassettes.

have you checked that mavic doesnt have a campy freehub for the cosmos wheelset? IIRC, the ksyriums
(sp?)come with shimano or campy freehub versions. mavic is pretty big. it woudl seem that a campy
version cosmos woudlnt be a stretch. you might want to check.

and if it does exist: if you cant just trade it in for the campy version (if that is what you want),
you might call mavic and ask them if they can send you a new campy freehub assembly for your
wheelset. IME, the cartridge hubs are pretty straightforward to take apart and put back together
with a rubber mallet and a few sockets. maybe a big hex wrench here and there. but nothing that
should stop you from doing it yourself. if youre about to drop a few hundred dollars on parts, get
the ones you want. cobbling something together with mismatched shimano/campy parts is not something
someone does when they are buying new parts.

is it campy you want because of the 10 speeds, or because of ergonomics? or aesthetics? if its ten
speeds youre chasing, just wait a little while and get the shimano 10 speed system which will work
with your wheels as is.

worst comes to worst, you could resell your wheelset. assuming theyu're new, the resale value shoudl
be pretty darn good. ebay,
r.b.m, etc.

anthony

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It didn't as far as I can tell. Don't Shimano cassettes come with LR's, unlike Campy's?

-Kovie, Yes, Shimano cassettes do come with a lock ring, Campy do not. A Campy lock ring may not be
compatible with your Mavic freehub body anyway. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm not very familiar with
Mavic Cosmos wheels, but I still think they should come with a lock ring. Maybe a call to Mavic or a
visit to their web site may shed some light.

I love how your question once again, expectedly I guess, somehow turned into a Campy vs. Shimano and
a pre-built wheels vs. hand-built wheels thread. How does this always happen?? It has nothing to do
with your question............

Oh, well. Good luck. -Jim

Interesting idea, except that I'd now own 2 freehubs. I'll look into this.

As for why I want to go with Campy, mainly because I've heard a lot of bad things about Shimano
Ultegra STI shifters, and a lot of good things about Campy Ergo shifters. That's a good enough
reason for me to go with Campy. And if I'm going to go with Ergos, I might as well make it an
all-Campy drivetrain. Sure, there's the Campy name and prestige, and I personally find the Campy
parts to be nicer-looking, but these are not at all deciding factors for me. It's the performance
and reliability that convinced me. The ability to upgrade to 10s someday are nice features, though.
Sure, Shimano's finally getting into 10spd, but Campy's been doing it for a number of years now, and
I suspect they'll be the preferred 10spd choice for the next few years at least. Who knows when
Shimano will move the new DA 10spd to the Ultegra line, how much they'll cost, and how good they'll
be. Campy's a known entity in the 10spd world, and their prices are not excessive.

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Who said anything about one cassette being better or worse, or one arrangement being better or
worse? I was just asking about whether

Shimano

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hubs came with lock rings the way Campy's do, or if they come with cassettes. Now I know--it's
the latter with Shimano. Whether this is

better

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or worse is something I'll let others decide. It's a moot point for me anyway, as with this hub
I'm pretty much "stuck" with Shimano cassettes.

have you checked that mavic doesnt have a campy freehub for the cosmos wheelset? IIRC, the
ksyriums (sp?)come with shimano or campy freehub versions. mavic is pretty big. it woudl seem that
a campy version cosmos woudlnt be a stretch. you might want to check.

and if it does exist: if you cant just trade it in for the campy version (if that is what you
want), you might call mavic and ask them if they can send you a new campy freehub assembly for
your wheelset. IME, the cartridge hubs are pretty straightforward to take apart and put back
together with a rubber mallet and a few sockets. maybe a big hex wrench here and there. but
nothing that should stop you from doing it yourself. if youre about to drop a few hundred dollars
on parts, get the ones you want. cobbling something together with mismatched shimano/campy parts
is not something someone does when they are buying new parts.

is it campy you want because of the 10 speeds, or because of ergonomics? or aesthetics? if its ten
speeds youre chasing, just wait a little while and get the shimano 10 speed system which will work
with your wheels as is.

worst comes to worst, you could resell your wheelset. assuming theyu're new, the resale value
shoudl be pretty darn good. ebay,
r.b.m, etc.

anthony

The Mavic comes with a Shimano-compatible freehub, which is why it doesn't come with a lock ring.
The expectation is that it will be used with Shimano-compatible cassettes, which as you say come
with lock rings, so it clearly doesn't need to come with one. Makes sense to me now that I know that
Shimano and Campy freehubs are not compatible with the others' cassettes.

As for religious gear wars, I haven't seen that happening here. People have their preferences and
have expressed them, which they have a right to, but I haven't detected a "my brand is tops, yours
is [censored]" tone here at all. If anything, people have gone out of their way to say that they just
prefer one brand over another, and are not claiming it's the best one.

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It didn't as far as I can tell. Don't Shimano cassettes come with LR's, unlike Campy's?

-Kovie, Yes, Shimano cassettes do come with a lock ring, Campy do not. A Campy lock ring may not
be compatible with your Mavic freehub body anyway. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm not very familiar
with Mavic Cosmos wheels, but I still think they should come with a lock ring. Maybe a call to
Mavic or a visit to their web site may shed some light.

I love how your question once again, expectedly I guess, somehow turned into a Campy vs. Shimano
and a pre-built wheels vs. hand-built wheels thread. How does this always happen?? It has nothing
to do with your question............

Oh, well. Good luck. -Jim

kovie-<< I noticed on Campy's site that their road cassettes don't seem to come with lock rings.
They claim that since freehubs come with them, there was no need to supply them w/cassettes. Is this
true? >><BR><BR>

yes except for cogsets with a 11t..

kovie-<< I recently bought a new Mavic Cosmos wheelset on sale (Colorado Cyclist, $200) and they
don't appear to have a lock ring. Are Campy cassettes compatible with the Cosmos hub, and if so
where do I get a lock ring for it if I go with Campy cassettes? >><BR><BR>

Any decent bike shop will have the lockrings and Mavic does make a Campagnolo compatible freehub for
this......well I'm not sure they do...Ask CC...righto-

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Assuming that they do make a Campy freehub for this hub, how hard is it typically to swap one hub
for another, what kinds of tools would one need, and how much do mid-range (e.g. Centaur/Veloce)
freehubs tend to cost?

Si, si parlo, io penso!

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come

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need

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to supply them w/cassettes. Is this true? >><BR><BR>

yes except for cogsets with a 11t..

kovie-<< I recently bought a new Mavic Cosmos wheelset on sale (Colorado Cyclist, $200) and they
don't appear to have a lock ring. Are Campy cassettes compatible with the Cosmos hub, and

if

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so where do I get a lock ring for it if I go with Campy cassettes?

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<BR><BR>

Any decent bike shop will have the lockrings and Mavic does make a

Campagnolo

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compatible freehub for this......well I'm not sure they do...Ask

CC...righto-

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