Calorie Intake

hmmm maybe this is why the flatbread fills me up.. could I not be eating
enough fat? no really I dont add fat to protien but the flatbread required
1/4 cup oil I think and then to be fried in oil.. just a thought.. yeah
yeah yeah flatbread is not low carb even if you make it with soy flour and
flax seed.

Tori

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1. Correlation does not equal causation.

2. More fat does not automatically mean more calories.

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There's a huge difference between 1000 calories/day and 3000/day. I
highly
doubt that's happening.
There are also the reports from people in this ng that got a whoosh when
they added more fat, thus more calories, to their diet.

Cubit said:

Right.

I see "starvation mode" as a myth used to rationalize eating more food.
It
has some bad science behind it, that seems to be based on a change of T3
(thyroid) levels at an average of 600 calories per day.

The reality is dieters eating 3000 calories per day, and moaning that

they

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are stalled because of starvation mode.

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The added fat in your diet can replace some of the protein, and that's why
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hmmm maybe this is why the flatbread fills me up.. could I not be eating
enough fat? no really I dont add fat to protien but the flatbread
required
1/4 cup oil I think and then to be fried in oil.. just a thought.. yeah
yeah yeah flatbread is not low carb even if you make it with soy flour and
flax seed.

Tori

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1. Correlation does not equal causation.

2. More fat does not automatically mean more calories.

3. You're an idiot.

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There's a huge difference between 1000 calories/day and 3000/day. I
highly
doubt that's happening.
There are also the reports from people in this ng that got a whoosh
when
they added more fat, thus more calories, to their diet.

on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:12:54 GMT, "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Right.
>
>I see "starvation mode" as a myth used to rationalize eating more food.
>It
>has some bad science behind it, that seems to be based on a change of
>T3
>(thyroid) levels at an average of 600 calories per day.
>
>The reality is dieters eating 3000 calories per day, and moaning that

they

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>are stalled because of starvation mode.

-----
Bev

thats what I mean.. I can not stomack the idea of adding fat to protien..
dont know why.. just makes my tummy do flips.. Maybe it is residual from
low fat diets or something.. Other then bacon and sardines most things I
eat are relatively low fat. It seems like 4 eggs alone are not enough to
call it a meal but one round of the flatbread and I feel stuffed quickly.

Tori

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The added fat in your diet can replace some of the protein, and that's why
the calories don't necessarily have to be greater.

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hmmm maybe this is why the flatbread fills me up.. could I not be

eating

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enough fat? no really I dont add fat to protien but the flatbread
required
1/4 cup oil I think and then to be fried in oil.. just a thought.. yeah
yeah yeah flatbread is not low carb even if you make it with soy flour

and

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flax seed.

Tori

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1. Correlation does not equal causation.

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3. You're an idiot.

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> There's a huge difference between 1000 calories/day and 3000/day. I
> highly
> doubt that's happening.
> There are also the reports from people in this ng that got a whoosh
> when
> they added more fat, thus more calories, to their diet.
>
> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:12:54 GMT, "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Right.
>>
>>I see "starvation mode" as a myth used to rationalize eating more

food.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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>>It
>>has some bad science behind it, that seems to be based on a change of
>>T3
>>(thyroid) levels at an average of 600 calories per day.
>>
>>The reality is dieters eating 3000 calories per day, and moaning that

they

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>>are stalled because of starvation mode.
>
> -----
> Bev

You're not supposed to feel stuffed.

HTH

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thats what I mean.. I can not stomack the idea of adding fat to protien..
dont know why.. just makes my tummy do flips.. Maybe it is residual from
low fat diets or something.. Other then bacon and sardines most things I
eat are relatively low fat. It seems like 4 eggs alone are not enough to
call it a meal but one round of the flatbread and I feel stuffed quickly.

Tori

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The added fat in your diet can replace some of the protein, and that's
why
the calories don't necessarily have to be greater.

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hmmm maybe this is why the flatbread fills me up.. could I not be

eating

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

enough fat? no really I dont add fat to protien but the flatbread
required
1/4 cup oil I think and then to be fried in oil.. just a thought..
yeah
yeah yeah flatbread is not low carb even if you make it with soy flour

and

Quoted message said:

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flax seed.

Tori

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> 1. Correlation does not equal causation.
>
> 2. More fat does not automatically mean more calories.
>
> 3. You're an idiot.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --

MFW

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>
>
> "Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > There's a huge difference between 1000 calories/day and 3000/day. I
> > highly
> > doubt that's happening.
> > There are also the reports from people in this ng that got a whoosh
> > when
> > they added more fat, thus more calories, to their diet.
> >
> > on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:12:54 GMT, "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >>Right.
> >>
> >>I see "starvation mode" as a myth used to rationalize eating more

food.

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Quoted message said:

> >>It
> >>has some bad science behind it, that seems to be based on a change
> >>of
> >>T3
> >>(thyroid) levels at an average of 600 calories per day.
> >>
> >>The reality is dieters eating 3000 calories per day, and moaning
> >>that
they
> >>are stalled because of starvation mode.
> >
> > -----
> > Bev
>
>

and thats why I eat less😉 Dont like the stuffed feeling... ok lets try
this again..

4 eggs.. still hungry could eat more.. DEFINATLY
2 eggs 1 round flat bread.. too much need to cut back
I think 1 egg and 1 flat bread would make a decent breakfast.. wonder what
the calorie count is.. I do know it is about 4 carbs.. not bad for 1 meal.

Tori

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You're not supposed to feel stuffed.

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thats what I mean.. I can not stomack the idea of adding fat to

protien..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dont know why.. just makes my tummy do flips.. Maybe it is residual

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

low fat diets or something.. Other then bacon and sardines most things

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eat are relatively low fat. It seems like 4 eggs alone are not enough

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

call it a meal but one round of the flatbread and I feel stuffed

quickly.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tori

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The added fat in your diet can replace some of the protein, and that's
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> hmmm maybe this is why the flatbread fills me up.. could I not be

eating

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> enough fat? no really I dont add fat to protien but the flatbread
> required
> 1/4 cup oil I think and then to be fried in oil.. just a thought..
> yeah
> yeah yeah flatbread is not low carb even if you make it with soy

flour

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and

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> flax seed.
>
> Tori
>
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>> 1. Correlation does not equal causation.
>>
>> 2. More fat does not automatically mean more calories.
>>
>> 3. You're an idiot.
>>
>> --
>> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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MFW

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>>
>>
>> "Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > There's a huge difference between 1000 calories/day and 3000/day.

I

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>> > highly
>> > doubt that's happening.
>> > There are also the reports from people in this ng that got a

whoosh

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>> > when
>> > they added more fat, thus more calories, to their diet.
>> >
>> > on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:12:54 GMT, "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Right.
>> >>
>> >>I see "starvation mode" as a myth used to rationalize eating more

food.

Quoted message said:

>> >>It
>> >>has some bad science behind it, that seems to be based on a change
>> >>of
>> >>T3
>> >>(thyroid) levels at an average of 600 calories per day.
>> >>
>> >>The reality is dieters eating 3000 calories per day, and moaning
>> >>that
> they
>> >>are stalled because of starvation mode.
>> >
>> > -----
>> > Bev
>>
>>
>
>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tori M said:

thats what I mean.. I can not stomack the idea of adding fat to protien..
dont know why.. just makes my tummy do flips.. Maybe it is residual from
low fat diets or something.. Other then bacon and sardines most things I
eat are relatively low fat. It seems like 4 eggs alone are not enough to
call it a meal but one round of the flatbread and I feel stuffed quickly.

Tori

4 eggs has around 20 grams of fat at 5 grams per egg. :-)
If you add things up, eggs are higher in fat than protein %'age wise.

I think the average protein per egg is around 8 grams for a large egg.
(my numbers may be off, it's been awhile and I've mis-placed my food
tables).

9x5 is 45 and 8x4 is 32.

Eggs have no fiber, flat bread does.
Fiber is usually the "filling" thing for satiation which is why greens
with protein meals are recommended.

I know these black soy beans are sure satisfying in small amounts! They
are very high in fiber.

Made my first pork and beans with them the other night using home made
ham stock. DAMN they are good!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Could you please post your pork and beans recipe? :-)

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

4 eggs has around 20 grams of fat at 5 grams per egg. :-)
If you add things up, eggs are higher in fat than protein %'age wise.

I think the average protein per egg is around 8 grams for a large egg.
(my numbers may be off, it's been awhile and I've mis-placed my food
tables).

9x5 is 45 and 8x4 is 32.

Eggs have no fiber, flat bread does.
Fiber is usually the "filling" thing for satiation which is why greens
with protein meals are recommended.

I know these black soy beans are sure satisfying in small amounts! They
are very high in fiber.

Made my first pork and beans with them the other night using home made
ham stock. DAMN they are good!

-----
Bev

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bev-Ann said:

Could you please post your pork and beans recipe? :-)

Sure! :-) It's a long term project so I plan ahead for it.

Smithfield hams were on sale for 99 cents per lb. at HEB over the 4th of
July.

I skinned and de-boned the ham and froze the meat for later use but did
leave some meat on the bone. I took the bone and fatty hard skin and
placed that into my pasta pat (which doubles as a stock pot for doing
bone stock) and added garlic powder, salt free lemon pepper and a small
amount of chili powder.

Brought that mess up to a boil and simmered on low for 2 hours.

Pulled the insert which brought out the now cooked down bone and skin
then put the broth in the 'frige to cool so I could skim it with a
slotted spoon when the fat floated to the top and hardened.

Once the bone and skin were cool, I removed all remaining meat from the
bones and chopped it up, then scraped most of the fat off of the pieces
of skin and cut those into 1" strips. All the excess fat went to the
chickens.

Meanwhile, I took the amount of dry black soybeans I wanted to cook,
placed them into a screen colander and a bowl and soaked them.

For 3 days. ;-)

With frequent water changes. (4 or 5 water changes per day).

My housemate has this "thing" about beans that he will not eat them
unless they have begun to sprout, and that takes about 3 days. Once I
saw a little root "tail" coming out of the germ, I rinsed them one final
time then added them to the broth, cut up meat and skin and one whole
chopped onion into the pressure cooker, brought up to pressure and
pressured on a medium heat for 20 minutes, then let the pressure come
down on it's own.

We've been eating on that pot of beans now for 3 days and I swear they
get better by the day! They are nearly gone now.

They are VERY tender and I think the 3 day soak is responsible for
that... I'm not saying you HAVE to soak them that long, 24 hours is
probably enough, I just do it for my housemate since he insists on
sprouted beans.

Serve with a sprinkling of grated parmesan cheese on top.

If you want to speed things up, you can probably add the canned black
soy beans to the hambone stock instead.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Being a little hungry will DEFINITELY not hurt you.

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and thats why I eat less😉 Dont like the stuffed feeling... ok lets try
this again..

4 eggs.. still hungry could eat more.. DEFINATLY
2 eggs 1 round flat bread.. too much need to cut back
I think 1 egg and 1 flat bread would make a decent breakfast.. wonder what
the calorie count is.. I do know it is about 4 carbs.. not bad for 1 meal.

Tori

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You're not supposed to feel stuffed.

HTH

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thats what I mean.. I can not stomack the idea of adding fat to

protien..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dont know why.. just makes my tummy do flips.. Maybe it is residual

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

low fat diets or something.. Other then bacon and sardines most things

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eat are relatively low fat. It seems like 4 eggs alone are not enough

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

call it a meal but one round of the flatbread and I feel stuffed

quickly.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tori

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> The added fat in your diet can replace some of the protein, and that's
> why
> the calories don't necessarily have to be greater.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --

MFW

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>
>
> "Tori M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > hmmm maybe this is why the flatbread fills me up.. could I not be
eating
> > enough fat? no really I dont add fat to protien but the flatbread
> > required
> > 1/4 cup oil I think and then to be fried in oil.. just a thought..
> > yeah
> > yeah yeah flatbread is not low carb even if you make it with soy

flour

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and
> > flax seed.
> >
> > Tori
> >
> > --
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> >> 1. Correlation does not equal causation.
> >>
> >> 2. More fat does not automatically mean more calories.
> >>
> >> 3. You're an idiot.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than

hat. --

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MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> "Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > There's a huge difference between 1000 calories/day and 3000/day.

I

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> >> > highly
> >> > doubt that's happening.
> >> > There are also the reports from people in this ng that got a

whoosh

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> >> > when
> >> > they added more fat, thus more calories, to their diet.
> >> >
> >> > on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:12:54 GMT, "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Right.
> >> >>
> >> >>I see "starvation mode" as a myth used to rationalize eating more
food.
> >> >>It
> >> >>has some bad science behind it, that seems to be based on a
> >> >>change
> >> >>of
> >> >>T3
> >> >>(thyroid) levels at an average of 600 calories per day.
> >> >>
> >> >>The reality is dieters eating 3000 calories per day, and moaning
> >> >>that
> > they
> >> >>are stalled because of starvation mode.
> >> >
> >> > -----
> >> > Bev
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Wow, that is quite the effort! Thanks for posting it, though. :-)

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Sure! :-) It's a long term project so I plan ahead for it.

Smithfield hams were on sale for 99 cents per lb. at HEB over the 4th of
July.

I skinned and de-boned the ham and froze the meat for later use but did
leave some meat on the bone. I took the bone and fatty hard skin and
placed that into my pasta pat (which doubles as a stock pot for doing
bone stock) and added garlic powder, salt free lemon pepper and a small
amount of chili powder.

Brought that mess up to a boil and simmered on low for 2 hours.

Pulled the insert which brought out the now cooked down bone and skin
then put the broth in the 'frige to cool so I could skim it with a
slotted spoon when the fat floated to the top and hardened.

Once the bone and skin were cool, I removed all remaining meat from the
bones and chopped it up, then scraped most of the fat off of the pieces
of skin and cut those into 1" strips. All the excess fat went to the
chickens.

Meanwhile, I took the amount of dry black soybeans I wanted to cook,
placed them into a screen colander and a bowl and soaked them.

For 3 days. ;-)

With frequent water changes. (4 or 5 water changes per day).

My housemate has this "thing" about beans that he will not eat them
unless they have begun to sprout, and that takes about 3 days. Once I
saw a little root "tail" coming out of the germ, I rinsed them one final
time then added them to the broth, cut up meat and skin and one whole
chopped onion into the pressure cooker, brought up to pressure and
pressured on a medium heat for 20 minutes, then let the pressure come
down on it's own.

We've been eating on that pot of beans now for 3 days and I swear they
get better by the day! They are nearly gone now.

They are VERY tender and I think the 3 day soak is responsible for
that... I'm not saying you HAVE to soak them that long, 24 hours is
probably enough, I just do it for my housemate since he insists on
sprouted beans.

Serve with a sprinkling of grated parmesan cheese on top.

If you want to speed things up, you can probably add the canned black
soy beans to the hambone stock instead.

-----
Bev

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Being a little hungry will DEFINITELY not hurt you.

Oh I understand that. That is why I dont eat right away at the first twinge
of hunger.. but to eat a meal and still feel hungry is frustrating. Oh and
I was right.. 1 egg and 1 round of flat bread was just right. I am
satisfied 🙂

Tori

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But will you remember the correct spelling of "definitely"?

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Being a little hungry will DEFINITELY not hurt you.

Oh I understand that. That is why I dont eat right away at the first
twinge
of hunger.. but to eat a meal and still feel hungry is frustrating. Oh
and
I was right.. 1 egg and 1 round of flat bread was just right. I am
satisfied 🙂

Tori

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But will you remember the correct spelling of "definitely"?

oh was it a spelling lesson? good luck on that one.. lol.. probably not..

😉

Tori

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Well, I made bean soup a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't that hard. I had
a ham bone from a ham we had been eating on for a few days, I put it in a
pot of water and boiled it for an hour or so, took it out to cool, put in
some more pieces of ham, a chopped onion and some celery, some seasoning and
some white soy beans that I had soaked overnight. Got the remaining ham off
the bone and threw it in. Cooked for 2-3 hours more, it did take longer for
the soy beans than regular beans. It was delicious and indeed very filling,
my SO mentioned how filling he found it. I didn't skim any fat off but
there wasn't a whole lot as this was a fairly lean ham, one of the spiral
sliced hams from Costco.

In news:[email hidden],
Bev-Ann <[email hidden]> stated
| Wow, that is quite the effort! Thanks for posting it, though. :-)
|
| on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:28:49 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|| Sure! :-) It's a long term project so I plan ahead for it.
||
|| Smithfield hams were on sale for 99 cents per lb. at HEB over the
|| 4th of July.
||
|| I skinned and de-boned the ham and froze the meat for later use but
|| did leave some meat on the bone. I took the bone and fatty hard skin
|| and placed that into my pasta pat (which doubles as a stock pot for
|| doing bone stock) and added garlic powder, salt free lemon pepper
|| and a small amount of chili powder.
||
|| Brought that mess up to a boil and simmered on low for 2 hours.
||
|| Pulled the insert which brought out the now cooked down bone and skin
|| then put the broth in the 'frige to cool so I could skim it with a
|| slotted spoon when the fat floated to the top and hardened.
||
|| Once the bone and skin were cool, I removed all remaining meat from
|| the bones and chopped it up, then scraped most of the fat off of the
|| pieces of skin and cut those into 1" strips. All the excess fat went
|| to the chickens.
||
|| Meanwhile, I took the amount of dry black soybeans I wanted to cook,
|| placed them into a screen colander and a bowl and soaked them.
||
|| For 3 days. ;-)
||
|| With frequent water changes. (4 or 5 water changes per day).
||
|| My housemate has this "thing" about beans that he will not eat them
|| unless they have begun to sprout, and that takes about 3 days. Once I
|| saw a little root "tail" coming out of the germ, I rinsed them one
|| final time then added them to the broth, cut up meat and skin and
|| one whole chopped onion into the pressure cooker, brought up to
|| pressure and pressured on a medium heat for 20 minutes, then let the
|| pressure come down on it's own.
||
|| We've been eating on that pot of beans now for 3 days and I swear
|| they get better by the day! They are nearly gone now.
||
|| They are VERY tender and I think the 3 day soak is responsible for
|| that... I'm not saying you HAVE to soak them that long, 24 hours is
|| probably enough, I just do it for my housemate since he insists on
|| sprouted beans.
||
|| Serve with a sprinkling of grated parmesan cheese on top.
||
|| If you want to speed things up, you can probably add the canned black
|| soy beans to the hambone stock instead.
|
| -----
| Bev

JC Der Koenig said:

Bev-Ann said:

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I see "starvation mode" as a myth used to rationalize
eating more food.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Folks are prodded
to et *appropriate* amounts of food not merely less. Folks
who report overeating are prodded to eat less; folks who
report undereating are prodded to eat more.

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It has some bad science behind it, that seems to be
based on a change of T3 (thyroid) levels at an
average of 600 calories per day.

Compare to the even worse science: Since the body has a
uniform metabolism rate, every calorie of reduction means
more loss. The initial assumption is nonsense the the
conclusion drawn is contray to observed fact for many
folks not on severe staravtion diets.

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The reality is dieters eating 3000 calories per
day, and moaning that they are stalled because of
starvation mode.

If you'd made a more reasonable claim this wouldn't
be ridiculous. Folks do undercount.

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There's a huge difference between 1000 calories/day and 3000/day. I
highly doubt that's happening.

But they don't undercount by a factor of 3.

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There are also the reports from people in this ng that got a whoosh when
they added more fat, thus more calories, to their diet.

1. Correlation does not equal causation.

Except when there is a direct effect and when the
mechanism is known. In this case the blood levels of
the hormone glucagon are driven by dietary fat so
increased fat do actually drive more loss (limited,
overeating beats the effect).

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2. More fat does not automatically mean more calories.

Exactly. Given low enough carbs, fat is more filling
than protein. Often folks who deliberately increate
their fat intake while keeping their carb intake low
end up decreasing protein.

For the same total calories, more fat and less protein
drives more loss. It is one in a list of methods for
controlling metabolism.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bev-Ann said:

Wow, that is quite the effort! Thanks for posting it, though. :-)

It's well worth it. ;-)

The main work is making the ham bone stock from scratch, but there is no
flavor quite like it!

It's not as much work as it sounds either. Actual "hands on" time is
maybe an hour. The other is just time spend cooking and cooling.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

FOB said:

Well, I made bean soup a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't that hard. I had
a ham bone from a ham we had been eating on for a few days, I put it in a
pot of water and boiled it for an hour or so, took it out to cool, put in
some more pieces of ham, a chopped onion and some celery, some seasoning and
some white soy beans that I had soaked overnight. Got the remaining ham off
the bone and threw it in. Cooked for 2-3 hours more, it did take longer for
the soy beans than regular beans. It was delicious and indeed very filling,
my SO mentioned how filling he found it. I didn't skim any fat off but
there wasn't a whole lot as this was a fairly lean ham, one of the spiral
sliced hams from Costco.

Most of the fat in my stock came from the chunks of fat on the skin that
I used. :-) Hence needing to cool and skim. The pressure cooked rind
chunks are tender and tasty so to me, it was worth scraping and
salvaging them...

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Yeah, I keep forgetting to keep the ham bone for stock to I make my LC
version of pea soup. :-)
Are you aware that the white (actually called yellow) soy beans have a lot
more net carbs than the black ones? They're 8g net carbs/half cup. Black
soy beans are the only LC beans. I bought some dried white ones but
haven't used them since I found that out.

on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:01:01 GMT, "FOB" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Well, I made bean soup a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't that hard. I had
a ham bone from a ham we had been eating on for a few days, I put it in a
pot of water and boiled it for an hour or so, took it out to cool, put in
some more pieces of ham, a chopped onion and some celery, some seasoning and
some white soy beans that I had soaked overnight. Got the remaining ham off
the bone and threw it in. Cooked for 2-3 hours more, it did take longer for
the soy beans than regular beans. It was delicious and indeed very filling,
my SO mentioned how filling he found it. I didn't skim any fat off but
there wasn't a whole lot as this was a fairly lean ham, one of the spiral
sliced hams from Costco.

-----
Bev

I don't have a pressure cooker, though.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

It's well worth it. ;-)

The main work is making the ham bone stock from scratch, but there is no
flavor quite like it!

It's not as much work as it sounds either. Actual "hands on" time is
maybe an hour. The other is just time spend cooking and cooling.

-----
Bev

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bev-Ann said:

I don't have a pressure cooker, though.

Bev

You may want to consider one....
They are such a wonderful time saver!
I use mine instead of the stock pot
for making bone stocks other than ham.

It's also good for tougher cuts of meat
for making a pot roast. Saves electricity!
My glass top GE really spins my meter. :-(

Another good reason to use the foreman whenever
possible........
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson