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  1. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "c" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "c" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > >
    > > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email hidden]...
    > >>
    > >> "Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email hidden]...
    > >> > JC Der Koenig wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> To make myself more popular with my peers I tell them, "The only
    > >> >> reason
    > >> >> we need to curve grades is to make up for [censored] poor teaching
    > > techniques."
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > Brutal, man.
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> But I think they're getting used to me.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > > That's a scary thought in itself. ;-)
    > >
    >
    > If it makes you feel any better, they're still somewhat uneasy.
    >
    >

    It does. 😉 Honestly though, I do commend you for speaking your mind
    with
    regards to the grading system. There are so many robots in society that
    just
    "go with the flow" and look where that has got us.

    You might be surprised at how many teachers are among the sheeple.

    I'd not be surprised at all... :-(
    There is a reason that so many high school graduates can barely read,
    much less know diddly about grammar and spelling!

    THAT is what is scary!!!

    That is what the parents want and that's what the parents pay for.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'd not be surprised at all... :-(
    There is a reason that so many high school graduates can barely read,
    much less know diddly about grammar and spelling!

    THAT is what is scary!!!

    That is what the parents want and that's what the parents pay for.

    Uh, 'scuse me, but I believe it's what the taxpayers shell out for...
    My local school taxes are $600.00 per year and I don't even have kids in
    the school system!

    It's our frickin' corrupt govt. that has gold plated toilet seats and
    lear jets, and fully paid tropical vacations that keep the school
    systems dumbed down by stealing all the money in the "general fund"
    that's supposed to pay for education.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  3. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'd not be surprised at all... :-(
    There is a reason that so many high school graduates can barely read,
    much less know diddly about grammar and spelling!

    THAT is what is scary!!!

    That is what the parents want and that's what the parents pay for.

    Uh, 'scuse me, but I believe it's what the taxpayers shell out for...
    My local school taxes are $600.00 per year and I don't even have kids in
    the school system!

    It's our frickin' corrupt govt. that has gold plated toilet seats and
    lear jets, and fully paid tropical vacations that keep the school
    systems dumbed down by stealing all the money in the "general fund"
    that's supposed to pay for education.

    1. More money won't make the students learn any better, contrary to what
    you've been told. Your $600 has nothing to do with why Johnny can't read.

    2. As long as the parents come in and complain because the teachers are too
    mean and because their precious little one didn't get an A+ for the year,
    then the standards will continue to come down to meet their expectations.

    3. The "what the parents pay for" part is in reference to the stance the
    parents take when they come to the school and complain about a low grade.
    It's their school after all, because they pay for it.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    > I'd not be surprised at all... :-(
    > There is a reason that so many high school graduates can barely read,
    > much less know diddly about grammar and spelling!
    >
    > THAT is what is scary!!!

    That is what the parents want and that's what the parents pay for.

    Uh, 'scuse me, but I believe it's what the taxpayers shell out for...
    My local school taxes are $600.00 per year and I don't even have kids in
    the school system!

    It's our frickin' corrupt govt. that has gold plated toilet seats and
    lear jets, and fully paid tropical vacations that keep the school
    systems dumbed down by stealing all the money in the "general fund"
    that's supposed to pay for education.

    1. More money won't make the students learn any better, contrary to what
    you've been told. Your $600 has nothing to do with why Johnny can't read.

    Too high of a student to teacher ratio
    Poor quality teachers, some of them are barely literate.

    Quoted message said:


    2. As long as the parents come in and complain because the teachers are too
    mean and because their precious little one didn't get an A+ for the year,
    then the standards will continue to come down to meet their expectations.

    That's the schools problem.
    Mommy and daddy nead to realize that their kids have a problem.
    There is no excuse for passing illiterate kids!

    Quoted message said:


    3. The "what the parents pay for" part is in reference to the stance the
    parents take when they come to the school and complain about a low grade.
    It's their school after all, because they pay for it.

    If the kids don't earn it, they should not get it.
    They don't pull that [censored] in colleges, and the expense there is directly
    out of pocket for many.......

    Sorry, but I don't agree with your concept.

    Quoted message said:



    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  5. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > > I'd not be surprised at all... :-(
    > > There is a reason that so many high school graduates can barely
    > > read,
    > > much less know diddly about grammar and spelling!
    > >
    > > THAT is what is scary!!!
    >
    >
    > That is what the parents want and that's what the parents pay for.
    >
    >

    Uh, 'scuse me, but I believe it's what the taxpayers shell out for...
    My local school taxes are $600.00 per year and I don't even have kids
    in
    the school system!

    It's our frickin' corrupt govt. that has gold plated toilet seats and
    lear jets, and fully paid tropical vacations that keep the school
    systems dumbed down by stealing all the money in the "general fund"
    that's supposed to pay for education.

    1. More money won't make the students learn any better, contrary to what
    you've been told. Your $600 has nothing to do with why Johnny can't
    read.

    Too high of a student to teacher ratio
    Poor quality teachers, some of them are barely literate.

    I know that's what you've been told, but are you sure it jives with reality?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    2. As long as the parents come in and complain because the teachers are
    too
    mean and because their precious little one didn't get an A+ for the
    year,
    then the standards will continue to come down to meet their expectations.

    That's the schools problem.
    Mommy and daddy nead to realize that their kids have a problem.
    There is no excuse for passing illiterate kids!

    It's the kids problem, and the parents problem, before it's the schools
    problem. The schools work for the parents, and in the end they get what
    they want.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    3. The "what the parents pay for" part is in reference to the stance the
    parents take when they come to the school and complain about a low grade.
    It's their school after all, because they pay for it.

    If the kids don't earn it, they should not get it.
    They don't pull that [censored] in colleges, and the expense there is directly
    out of pocket for many.......

    Sorry, but I don't agree with your concept.

    Whether or not you like it, the truth of the matter doesn't change.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    >> > I'd not be surprised at all... :-(
    >> > There is a reason that so many high school graduates can barely
    >> > read,
    >> > much less know diddly about grammar and spelling!
    >> >
    >> > THAT is what is scary!!!
    >>
    >>
    >> That is what the parents want and that's what the parents pay for.
    >>
    >>
    >
    > Uh, 'scuse me, but I believe it's what the taxpayers shell out for...
    > My local school taxes are $600.00 per year and I don't even have kids
    > in
    > the school system!
    >
    > It's our frickin' corrupt govt. that has gold plated toilet seats and
    > lear jets, and fully paid tropical vacations that keep the school
    > systems dumbed down by stealing all the money in the "general fund"
    > that's supposed to pay for education.
    >

    1. More money won't make the students learn any better, contrary to what
    you've been told. Your $600 has nothing to do with why Johnny can't
    read.

    Too high of a student to teacher ratio
    Poor quality teachers, some of them are barely literate.

    I know that's what you've been told, but are you sure it jives with reality?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    2. As long as the parents come in and complain because the teachers are
    too
    mean and because their precious little one didn't get an A+ for the
    year,
    then the standards will continue to come down to meet their expectations.

    That's the schools problem.
    Mommy and daddy nead to realize that their kids have a problem.
    There is no excuse for passing illiterate kids!

    It's the kids problem, and the parents problem, before it's the schools
    problem. The schools work for the parents, and in the end they get what
    they want.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    3. The "what the parents pay for" part is in reference to the stance the
    parents take when they come to the school and complain about a low grade.
    It's their school after all, because they pay for it.

    If the kids don't earn it, they should not get it.
    They don't pull that [censored] in colleges, and the expense there is directly
    out of pocket for many.......

    Sorry, but I don't agree with your concept.

    Whether or not you like it, the truth of the matter doesn't change.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Welcome to Central High, where every student is in the Gifted and
    Talented program" (or whatever they call it today).

    --
    ---
    Chris Smolinski
    Black Cat Systems
    http://www.blackcatsystems.com

  7. "Chris Smolinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email hidden]...
    > >>
    > >> > I'd not be surprised at all... :-(
    > >> > There is a reason that so many high school graduates can barely
    > >> > read,
    > >> > much less know diddly about grammar and spelling!
    > >> >
    > >> > THAT is what is scary!!!
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> That is what the parents want and that's what the parents pay for.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > > Uh, 'scuse me, but I believe it's what the taxpayers shell out
    > > for...
    > > My local school taxes are $600.00 per year and I don't even have
    > > kids
    > > in
    > > the school system!
    > >
    > > It's our frickin' corrupt govt. that has gold plated toilet seats
    > > and
    > > lear jets, and fully paid tropical vacations that keep the school
    > > systems dumbed down by stealing all the money in the "general fund"
    > > that's supposed to pay for education.
    > >
    >
    > 1. More money won't make the students learn any better, contrary to
    > what
    > you've been told. Your $600 has nothing to do with why Johnny can't
    > read.

    Too high of a student to teacher ratio
    Poor quality teachers, some of them are barely literate.

    I know that's what you've been told, but are you sure it jives with
    reality?

    Quoted message said:

    >
    > 2. As long as the parents come in and complain because the teachers
    > are
    > too
    > mean and because their precious little one didn't get an A+ for the
    > year,
    > then the standards will continue to come down to meet their
    > expectations.

    That's the schools problem.
    Mommy and daddy nead to realize that their kids have a problem.
    There is no excuse for passing illiterate kids!

    It's the kids problem, and the parents problem, before it's the schools
    problem. The schools work for the parents, and in the end they get what
    they want.

    Quoted message said:

    >
    > 3. The "what the parents pay for" part is in reference to the stance
    > the
    > parents take when they come to the school and complain about a low
    > grade.
    > It's their school after all, because they pay for it.

    If the kids don't earn it, they should not get it.
    They don't pull that [censored] in colleges, and the expense there is
    directly
    out of pocket for many.......

    Sorry, but I don't agree with your concept.

    Whether or not you like it, the truth of the matter doesn't change.

    Quoted message said:

    >

    "Welcome to Central High, where every student is in the Gifted and
    Talented program" (or whatever they call it today).

    It's still called the same, although we often ask, "Gifted and talented at
    what?".

  8. JC Der Koenig said:

    "Chris Smolinski" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Welcome to Central High, where every student is in the Gifted and
    Talented program" (or whatever they call it today).


    It's still called the same, although we often ask, "Gifted and talented at
    what?"

    Four school years ago, my daughter was "tested" for being a "TAG"
    student. The guidance counselor (with no email address, unique among all
    staff in that school - no computer in her office) and a woodshop teacher
    (I swear it's true) evaluated musical and dramatic talents. Each student
    had 5 minutes to display their talents. No criteria for the
    presentations were published.

    My daughter was selected for the musical TAG program and rejected for
    the dramatic one. She can barely carry a tune and has not enough desire
    to play a musical instrument to actually try to play one. She has,
    however, been in a few drama training courses for kids that she did well
    in and enjoyed.

    When she indicated she didn't want to be in the musical TAG, they said
    that one or nothing. The big musical project for that year was to make a
    marimba! Cut pieces of wood, sand them. Build the frame and assemble
    everything. Shave the pieces of wood to get true tones. When I suggested
    that it was a shop project, not a musical one, the reply I got from the
    fatuous guidance teacher was, "Of course it's musical. Do you play any
    musical instruments?" When I said, yes, I play several stringed
    instruments, she said, "See?" Then she quickly walked away. I looked
    around for the Candid Cameras.

    "Talented and Gifted" is what the original name was, but it has since
    been changed to "Gifted and Talented" for reasons no one seems to know
    but the school administration still called it the TAG program. Why I
    changed schools for the kid. The principal was a blowhard and it seemed
    that his example was the best way for staff to survive in that school.
    Sad, really.

    Pastorio

  9. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    "Chris Smolinski" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Welcome to Central High, where every student is in the Gifted and
    Talented program" (or whatever they call it today).


    It's still called the same, although we often ask, "Gifted and talented
    at what?"

    Four school years ago, my daughter was "tested" for being a "TAG" student.
    The guidance counselor (with no email address, unique among all staff in
    that school - no computer in her office) and a woodshop teacher (I swear
    it's true) evaluated musical and dramatic talents. Each student had 5
    minutes to display their talents. No criteria for the presentations were
    published.

    My daughter was selected for the musical TAG program and rejected for the
    dramatic one. She can barely carry a tune and has not enough desire to
    play a musical instrument to actually try to play one. She has, however,
    been in a few drama training courses for kids that she did well in and
    enjoyed.

    When she indicated she didn't want to be in the musical TAG, they said
    that one or nothing. The big musical project for that year was to make a
    marimba! Cut pieces of wood, sand them. Build the frame and assemble
    everything. Shave the pieces of wood to get true tones. When I suggested
    that it was a shop project, not a musical one, the reply I got from the
    fatuous guidance teacher was, "Of course it's musical. Do you play any
    musical instruments?" When I said, yes, I play several stringed
    instruments, she said, "See?" Then she quickly walked away. I looked
    around for the Candid Cameras.

    "Talented and Gifted" is what the original name was, but it has since been
    changed to "Gifted and Talented" for reasons no one seems to know but the
    school administration still called it the TAG program. Why I changed
    schools for the kid. The principal was a blowhard and it seemed that his
    example was the best way for staff to survive in that school. Sad, really.

    Seems about par for the education environment. There are some exceptions,
    although they are few and far between.

    Which, yes, is sad.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    "Chris Smolinski" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    >"Welcome to Central High, where every student is in the Gifted and
    >Talented program" (or whatever they call it today).
    >
    It's still called the same, although we often ask, "Gifted and talented
    at what?"

    Four school years ago, my daughter was "tested" for being a "TAG" student.
    The guidance counselor (with no email address, unique among all staff in
    that school - no computer in her office) and a woodshop teacher (I swear
    it's true) evaluated musical and dramatic talents. Each student had 5
    minutes to display their talents. No criteria for the presentations were
    published.

    My daughter was selected for the musical TAG program and rejected for the
    dramatic one. She can barely carry a tune and has not enough desire to
    play a musical instrument to actually try to play one. She has, however,
    been in a few drama training courses for kids that she did well in and
    enjoyed.

    When she indicated she didn't want to be in the musical TAG, they said
    that one or nothing. The big musical project for that year was to make a
    marimba! Cut pieces of wood, sand them. Build the frame and assemble
    everything. Shave the pieces of wood to get true tones. When I suggested
    that it was a shop project, not a musical one, the reply I got from the
    fatuous guidance teacher was, "Of course it's musical. Do you play any
    musical instruments?" When I said, yes, I play several stringed
    instruments, she said, "See?" Then she quickly walked away. I looked
    around for the Candid Cameras.

    "Talented and Gifted" is what the original name was, but it has since been
    changed to "Gifted and Talented" for reasons no one seems to know but the
    school administration still called it the TAG program. Why I changed
    schools for the kid. The principal was a blowhard and it seemed that his
    example was the best way for staff to survive in that school. Sad, really.

    Seems about par for the education environment. There are some exceptions,
    although they are few and far between.

    Which, yes, is sad.

    Indeed. I wish every kid who was gifted or talented in something could
    have the high school experience I had. I was a horrible underachiever
    until I got into the performing arts Magnet school, where you had to
    keep up your grades to stay in.

    We took performing arts classes as electives, and we also had
    requirements to participate in a certain number of shows per quarter.

    They were very strict with us. If rehearsal started at 4, you were
    onstage on your mark at 4, not walking in the door, not chatting with
    your friends in the seats, not putting your stuff down.

    We also learned a lot about how the real world works. When 200 kids
    audition for a show with 20 roles, there are bound to be
    disappointments. Crying and complaining that "it's not fair" wouldn't
    even get you sympathy, let alone a part in the show. There was even
    tons of competition for backstage work, so if you screwed up, you'd be
    replaced.

    One time I was supposed to be an usher for a matinee, during school.
    There was a dress code for ushers, and I forgot it was my turn, and I
    was wearing jeans. Just for showing up in jeans, I had to work in the
    costume shop every day after school for a month, during the hour break
    between school and rehearsals.

    I learned more about the real world from that program than anything else
    in my childhood.

    --
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

  11. Qouting Bev-Ann:

    Martha Gallagher said:


    Quoted message said:

    And, I have to say I'm not entirely convinced by the idea that low carbers
    generally have to exercise vigilence to ensure that their calories don't
    drop too low. While some people might go through phases when their calorie
    consumption is perhaps lower than optimal, most people who are low carbing
    to lose weight don't seem to have a long term problem with that.

    Quoted message said:

    I've seen several people on this ng who claim to have lowered their
    calories to ridiculous levels (less than 1200/day)

    Some people really do need to take it that low to lose the last of
    their fat.

    If I recall correctly, you only needed to lose 20-25 or so pounds. Is
    that correct?

  12. "Suze" <suze_andersonATspamcopDOTnet@> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Qouting Bev-Ann:

    Martha Gallagher said:


    Quoted message said:

    And, I have to say I'm not entirely convinced by the idea that low
    carbers
    generally have to exercise vigilence to ensure that their calories don't
    drop too low. While some people might go through phases when their
    calorie
    consumption is perhaps lower than optimal, most people who are low
    carbing
    to lose weight don't seem to have a long term problem with that.

    Quoted message said:

    I've seen several people on this ng who claim to have lowered their
    calories to ridiculous levels (less than 1200/day)

    Some people really do need to take it that low to lose the last of
    their fat.

    If I recall correctly, you only needed to lose 20-25 or so pounds. Is
    that correct?

    <1200 calories a day is dangerous and unhealthy (I've done it). But do go
    right on ahead, I'm sure you'll say it's necessary for "some people" (like
    Ethiopians).

  13. Quoting "Joe the Aroma" <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    <1200 calories a day is dangerous and unhealthy (I've done it).

    That's nice.

    At the time that you 'did it', were you female (with the accompanying
    hormonal profile), 5 foot 5 or less, and below 160# or so at the time?

    Quoted message said:

    But do go
    right on ahead, I'm sure you'll say it's necessary for "some people" (like
    Ethiopians).

    Here's a tip: the 'do go on' phrase is just laughable unless the user
    of it has an actual point to stand on.

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