Calimari/Calamari

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Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
and got an equal number and same types of postings!

Well, I see very big differences instead: Googling for CalAmari
gives 460.000 results, while googling for calImari gives only
12.400 results.
Is this due to our different language settings? If it's so, it's
awful: I didn't tell google to search only in "pages written in
italian" !

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So, does it really matter???

Yes. Given that calamari is an italian word, the correct spelling
is calAmari. Maybe calimari comes from a local slang, or maybe
it's just an error in the translation.

BTW - if I google for calimari and specify to search only in
italian pages, it gives only 26 results.
--
Vilco
Think Pink , Drink Rose'

If your last name was Amari would you name a son Cal?

Three funny names of real people I know:

Allen Terry Alteery (Al-Terry-Alteery)

Peter Enis (P.Enis) I feel his pain.

Peter Peters (pumpkin eaters?)

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Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
and got an equal number and same types of postings!

Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.

So, does it really matter???

Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the rest
of the web does not seem to care.

Interesting. ;-)
--
K.

It's an Italian word and it is spelled calamari.

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Peter Aitken

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Katra said:

Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
and got an equal number and same types of postings!

Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.

So, does it really matter???

Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the rest
of the web does not seem to care.

Try "Bait"

--
"A Sound Mind. A Healthy Body. Pick One" Mr. Hedge

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Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
and got an equal number and same types of postings!

Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.

So, does it really matter???

Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the rest
of the web does not seem to care.

Interesting. ;-)
--
K.

It's an Italian word and it is spelled calamari.

Florence is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Firenze
Rome is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Roma
Turin is an Italian word/place name, is is spelled Torino
Pasta Fazool is an Italian food, it is spelled pasta e fagioli.

x-no-archive: yes

Googling to check stuff like that is very unreliable. There was a
mistake in the New York Times crossword, and it was explained that
someone on the staff had been using Google as a fact-checker.

Hell, sometimes I Google for something with what I know is the right
spelling and get the query, "Did you mean [wrong spelling]?"

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Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
and got an equal number and same types of postings!

Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.

So, does it really matter???

Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the rest
of the web does not seem to care.

Interesting. ;-)
--
K.

It's an Italian word and it is spelled calamari.

Florence is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Firenze
Rome is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Roma
Turin is an Italian word/place name, is is spelled Torino
Pasta Fazool is an Italian food, it is spelled pasta e fagioli.

And, as I said, calamari is an Italian food, it is spelled calamari.

Do you have a point?

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Peter Aitken

Remove the [censored] from my email address before using.

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Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
and got an equal number and same types of postings!

Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.

So, does it really matter???

Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the rest
of the web does not seem to care.

Interesting. ;-)
--
K.

It's an Italian word and it is spelled calamari.

Florence is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Firenze
Rome is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Roma
Turin is an Italian word/place name, is is spelled Torino
Pasta Fazool is an Italian food, it is spelled pasta e fagioli.

Ummm....no. The place names were raped to make it easier for foreign morons
who can't muster the mental effort to pronounce the Italian place names
properly.

Pasta e fagioli is pronounced differently depending on the region in Italy.
I believe it's the northern area where it comes "fazool". And, that version
seems to have taken hold here, too. I suspect it's because it's hard for the
dumb to comprehend what to do with the dangling "e" in the middle of pasta e
fagiole. The nerve of those Italians to have words which don't sequence like
ours.

Calamari is the correct spelling of the word. Anything else is a
misspelling. Spelling something incorrectly because you don't know any
better is excusable. Spelling it incorrectly after you've been corrected is
a sign of an idiot.

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Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
and got an equal number and same types of postings!

Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.

So, does it really matter???

Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the rest
of the web does not seem to care.

"....the rest of the web...."? Here's a surprise: "The web" is not put
together by a bunch of highly educated old English gentlemen who are retired
from writing dictionaries. The contents comes from everywhere and everyone.
Considering that a disturbing proportion of the population of this country
(in particular) cannot spell or place apostrophes correctly, it should come
as no surprise that Google will reward you with a huge number of erroneous
documents.

Buy yourself a dictionary.

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"Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
> and got an equal number and same types of postings!
>
> Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.
>
> So, does it really matter???
>
> Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the

rest

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> of the web does not seem to care.
>
> Interesting. ;-)
> --
> K.

It's an Italian word and it is spelled calamari.

Florence is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Firenze
Rome is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Roma
Turin is an Italian word/place name, is is spelled Torino
Pasta Fazool is an Italian food, it is spelled pasta e fagioli.

And, as I said, calamari is an Italian food, it is spelled calamari.

Do you have a point?

I believe the point Skeezic is making is that if one is translating
from Italian to English or vice versa then which came first, "squid" or
"calamari". Of course this entire discussion is academic for the topic
of foods, where transliterations run rife, because in an English
language Newsgroup *only* "squid" is correct (calamari then is just as
incorrect as calimari). And I have no doubt whatsover that there are
plenty of dumb dagos (of those who are capable of writing) who write
"calimari.

M-W

[1]squid

noun

Inflected Form(s): plural squid or squids
Etymology: _origin unknown_
Date: 1613
: any of an order (Teuthoidea) of cephalopods having eight short arms
and two usually longer tentacles, a long tapered body, a caudal fin on
each side, and usually a slender internal chitinous support
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Oxford

calamari (also calamares , calamaries )

plural noun squid served as food.

-ORIGIN Italian, plural of calamaro, from medieval Latin calamarium
'pen case', from Greek kalamos 'pen' (with reference to the squid's
long tapering internal shell and its ink). The variant calamares is
Spanish, calamaries being its Anglicized form.
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squid

noun (PL. same or squids) an elongated, fast-swimming cephalopod
mollusc with eight arms and two long tentacles, typically able to
change colour.

Order Teuthoidea and Vampyromorpha, class Cephalopoda, in particular
the common genus Loligo. See also GIANT SQUID.

n [MASS NOUN] this mollusc used as food. n an artificial bait for fish
imitating a squid in form.
t verb (squidded, squidding) [no OBJ.] fish using squid as bait.

-ORIGIN late 16th cent.: of _unknown origin_.
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Sheldon

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Peter Aitken said:

"Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
> and got an equal number and same types of postings!
>
> Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.
>
> So, does it really matter???
>
> Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the rest
> of the web does not seem to care.
>
> Interesting. ;-)
> --
> K.

It's an Italian word and it is spelled calamari.

Florence is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Firenze
Rome is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Roma
Turin is an Italian word/place name, is is spelled Torino
Pasta Fazool is an Italian food, it is spelled pasta e fagioli.

Ummm....no. The place names were raped to make it easier for foreign

morons

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who can't muster the mental effort to pronounce the Italian place names
properly.

Pasta e fagioli is pronounced differently depending on the region in

Italy.

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I believe it's the northern area where it comes "fazool". And, that

version

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seems to have taken hold here, too. I suspect it's because it's hard for

the

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dumb to comprehend what to do with the dangling "e" in the middle of pasta

e

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fagiole. The nerve of those Italians to have words which don't sequence

like

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ours.

Calamari is the correct spelling of the word. Anything else is a
misspelling. Spelling something incorrectly because you don't know any
better is excusable. Spelling it incorrectly after you've been corrected

is

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a sign of an idiot.

Second the part about idiots. As for fazool, I think it's an attempt to
render into English the Neapolitan pronunciation of fagioli -- they
emphasize the u sound and somewhat mask the final i, while dragging out the
g, which shifts a bit towards z. In the far northeast it's Fazoi, with a z
sound that's definitely z, and oi rather like the oi in voice.

Kyle

Kyle

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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:16:45 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
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>"Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Hmmmmm... I did some googling using both spellings,
>> and got an equal number and same types of postings!
>>
>> Lots and lots of club websites and recipes spelled either way.
>>
>> So, does it really matter???
>>
>> Google thinks spelling it with an "A" really was correct, but the
>> rest
>> of the web does not seem to care.
>>
>> Interesting. ;-)
>> --
>> K.
>
>It's an Italian word and it is spelled calamari.

Florence is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Firenze
Rome is an Italian word/place name, it is spelled Roma
Turin is an Italian word/place name, is is spelled Torino
Pasta Fazool is an Italian food, it is spelled pasta e fagioli.

Ummm....no. The place names were raped to make it easier for foreign

morons

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who can't muster the mental effort to pronounce the Italian place names
properly.

Pasta e fagioli is pronounced differently depending on the region in

Italy.

Quoted message said:

I believe it's the northern area where it comes "fazool". And, that

version

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seems to have taken hold here, too. I suspect it's because it's hard for

the

Quoted message said:

dumb to comprehend what to do with the dangling "e" in the middle of
pasta

e

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fagiole. The nerve of those Italians to have words which don't sequence

like

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ours.

Calamari is the correct spelling of the word. Anything else is a
misspelling. Spelling something incorrectly because you don't know any
better is excusable. Spelling it incorrectly after you've been corrected

is

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a sign of an idiot.

Second the part about idiots. As for fazool, I think it's an attempt to
render into English the Neapolitan pronunciation of fagioli -- they
emphasize the u sound and somewhat mask the final i, while dragging out
the
g, which shifts a bit towards z. In the far northeast it's Fazoi, with a z
sound that's definitely z, and oi rather like the oi in voice.

Kyle

This country's a mess when it comes to bad habits like that. We get our
education from the wrong sources. For instance, in the 2nd Terminator movie,
the kid's trying to teach Ahhhnold to sound cool. He teaches him "No
problemo". There's no such word as "problemo" in Spanish, but I know a
couple of mouth-breathers who, once they learned it that way, were unable to
get it right, not even as a favor to a Puerto Rican co-worker who said it
was beginning to affect him like fingernails on a blackboard. "Hey....it was
in the movie that way...you sayin' it was wrong????"

Mi e' parso che Kyle Phillips abbia scritto:

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Second the part about idiots. As for fazool, I think it's
an attempt to render into English the Neapolitan
pronunciation of fagioli -- they emphasize the u sound
and somewhat mask the final i, while dragging out the g,
which shifts a bit towards z. In the far northeast it's
Fazoi, with a z sound that's definitely z, and oi rather
like the oi in voice.

I'm not sure about the neapolitan pronunciation, but the second
one you described (fazoi) is almost exactly the pronunciation
here in Emilia Romagna and in some regions north of here.
In the deep south, I mean Abruzzo, Molise and Puglia, they call
the beans "fasciule", as in "sagne e fasciule", where "sc" is
read as "sh"
(sagne is a local name for a short format, dried pasta).
--
Vilco
Think Pink , Drink Rose'

Vilco said:

Mi e' parso che Kyle Phillips abbia scritto:

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Second the part about idiots. As for fazool, I think it's
an attempt to render into English the Neapolitan
pronunciation of fagioli -- they emphasize the u sound
and somewhat mask the final i, while dragging out the g,
which shifts a bit towards z. In the far northeast it's
Fazoi, with a z sound that's definitely z, and oi rather
like the oi in voice.

I'm not sure about the neapolitan pronunciation, but the second
one you described (fazoi) is almost exactly the pronunciation
here in Emilia Romagna and in some regions north of here.
In the deep south, I mean Abruzzo, Molise and Puglia, they call
the beans "fasciule", as in "sagne e fasciule", where "sc" is
read as "sh"
(sagne is a local name for a short format, dried pasta).

My paternal grandparents said "fazoi." They were from the northeast.
They also said "pahng" for bread instead of "pane" (pah-neh) like
everybody else in Italy. Their dialect, when I spoke it in Italy,
marked me as sort of a hillbilly.

One of my maternal Sicilian grandparents said "fazooli" and the other
said "fazol(i)" with that soft almost unpronounced terminal "i" that
some Sicilians do. It's breathed, but not sounded.

Conversations when all my grandparents were together were, um,
interesting. The northerners looked to me when they missed something.
The Sicilians looked to me when they missed something. Very funny idea
that an American-born child should translate between Italians speaking
their native languages.

Pastorio

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Vilco said:

Mi e' parso che Kyle Phillips abbia scritto:

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Second the part about idiots. As for fazool, I think it's
an attempt to render into English the Neapolitan
pronunciation of fagioli -- they emphasize the u sound
and somewhat mask the final i, while dragging out the g,
which shifts a bit towards z. In the far northeast it's
Fazoi, with a z sound that's definitely z, and oi rather
like the oi in voice.

I'm not sure about the neapolitan pronunciation, but the second one you
described (fazoi) is almost exactly the pronunciation here in Emilia
Romagna and in some regions north of here.
In the deep south, I mean Abruzzo, Molise and Puglia, they call the beans
"fasciule", as in "sagne e fasciule", where "sc" is read as "sh"
(sagne is a local name for a short format, dried pasta).

My paternal grandparents said "fazoi." They were from the northeast. They
also said "pahng" for bread instead of "pane" (pah-neh) like everybody
else in Italy. Their dialect, when I spoke it in Italy, marked me as sort
of a hillbilly.

One of my maternal Sicilian grandparents said "fazooli" and the other said
"fazol(i)" with that soft almost unpronounced terminal "i" that some
Sicilians do. It's breathed, but not sounded.

Conversations when all my grandparents were together were, um,
interesting. The northerners looked to me when they missed something. The
Sicilians looked to me when they missed something. Very funny idea that an
American-born child should translate between Italians speaking their
native languages.

Pastorio

I understand what you mean. I've been struggling with Spanish for the past
few years. My ex GF was from Yauco, in the southwest part of Puerto Rico. A
few times, I was at parties with her, two of her friends from San Juan, and
two more friends from Spain. What a mess, especially since I was getting
THEORY from my textbooks, and REALITY from all these people. They were
patient with me, but making endless fun of each other.

Doug Kanter escribir:

I understand what you mean. I've been struggling with Spanish for the
past
few years. My ex GF was from Yauco, in the southwest part of Puerto
Rico. A
few times, I was at parties with her, two of her friends from San Juan,
and
two more friends from Spain. What a mess, especially since I was
getting
THEORY from my textbooks, and REALITY from all these people. They were
patient with me, but making endless fun of each other.

Making fun of you... ahahahahahaha... Puerto Rican is NOT Spanish.

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Doug Kanter escribir:

I understand what you mean. I've been struggling with Spanish for the
past
few years. My ex GF was from Yauco, in the southwest part of Puerto
Rico. A
few times, I was at parties with her, two of her friends from San Juan,
and
two more friends from Spain. What a mess, especially since I was
getting
THEORY from my textbooks, and REALITY from all these people. They were
patient with me, but making endless fun of each other.

Making fun of you... ahahahahahaha... Puerto Rican is NOT Spanish.

Yes...thanks. But, if you associate with a family totally comprised of
school teachers, you find that every one of them is quite capable of
teaching you theory, just as it would learned in Spain, and then pointing
out the local reality. Like "bueno dia", for instance.

Naomi writes:
Googling to check stuff like that is very unreliable.

Google is *absolutely* unreliable where discriminating between fiction
and fact is concerned.

Google is not any kind of authority on anything... Google is a
regurgitator for what is now likely the world's largest septic system,
compost heap, landfill (you choose). Anyone who uses Google as a
citation has the IQ of an uneducated
sea cucumber. Google is a pinheaded librarian, who is as likely to
retrieve fiction as non-fiction. Google is merely the inventory taker.
Googling is a roulette game... never cite Google unless you're willing
to make it Russian Roulette, with all the chambers filled but one.
Anyone who says it must be true because they found it with Google is
announcing that they are brain dead... is also enough to immediately
be embedded into my killfile. I mean like why would anyone want to
ever reply to a fercocktah Zombie.

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Naomi writes:
Googling to check stuff like that is very unreliable.

Google is *absolutely* unreliable where discriminating between fiction
and fact is concerned.

Google is not any kind of authority on anything... Google is a
regurgitator for what is now likely the world's largest septic system,
compost heap, landfill (you choose). Anyone who uses Google as a
citation has the IQ of an uneducated
sea cucumber. Google is a pinheaded librarian, who is as likely to
retrieve fiction as non-fiction. Google is merely the inventory taker.
Googling is a roulette game... never cite Google unless you're willing
to make it Russian Roulette, with all the chambers filled but one.
Anyone who says it must be true because they found it with Google is
announcing that they are brain dead... is also enough to immediately
be embedded into my killfile. I mean like why would anyone want to
ever reply to a fercocktah Zombie.

OK....just so I understand you, you're saying Google's not so good?

:-)