A member of the Cambridge Cycling Campaign caught this bus driver's driving on video.
Obviously there's no excuse for the bus driver pulling in like that, but it did look to me as though the cyclist was riding far too close to the edge of the road.
Oh I see; it was the cyclist's fault. I understand now.
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Obviously there's no excuse for the bus driver pulling in like that, but it did look to me as though the cyclist was riding far too close to the edge of the road.
I disagree ... they were certainly riding _far_ too close when the bus was overtaking them ... but before they were forced into the gutter the position looked ok ... not perfect but ok
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Obviously there's no excuse for the bus driver pulling in like that, but it did look to me as though the cyclist was riding far too close to the edge of the road.
If a large vehicle had pulled level with me like that I would have instinctively dropped back in favour of self preservation yet the cyclist seemed intent on maintaining the inside position.
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Obviously there's no excuse for the bus driver pulling in like that, but it did look to me as though the cyclist was riding far too close to the edge of the road.
If a large vehicle had pulled level with me like that I would have instinctively dropped back in favour of self preservation yet the cyclist seemed intent on maintaining the inside position.
You'll never win if you play chicken like that. :-)
I'm surprised he didn't get overtaken by a granny on a shopping bike. I guess he didn't beat his personal speed record :-) It might have helped if he'd had his feet on the pedals!
It's weird that he can ride like an absolute loon but bottles it on the corner and goes wide - he could've lent it a lot more. I notice he's using his feet to break tho, which suggests he doesn't have brakes. Eeeek.
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A Railman wrote on 24/02/2007 03:50 +0100:
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Bikes fault this time!
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Except if you watch the slo-mo at the end, the bus is over the centre white line on his side of the road. So six and half a dozen I would say.
By the looks of things, to get that bus round that corner without crossing the center line and without taking out the railings on the near side would be quite a challenge. I also noticed that on that "blind" corner the center line was long broken rather than solid.
Though if its is the case that in either direction long vehicals have to cross the center to make the turn you would expect to see either signs warning of this ("Large vehicles in center of the road" as seen in Crainalrich where there is a similar set up though i think its also an arch bridge) or the traffic through the tunnel and round the corner controlled by traffic lights. (Which the cyclist would probably have ignored)
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Except if you watch the slo-mo at the end, the bus is over the centre white line on his side of the road. So six and half a dozen I would say.
By the looks of things, to get that bus round that corner without crossing the center line and without taking out the railings on the near side would be quite a challenge. I also noticed that on that "blind" corner the center line was long broken rather than solid.
That's why its half and half. Neither could have stopped at the speeds they were going which means both were going to fast for the situation.
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"Now it's on to the bike shop to get a helmet, for the next time he catches a bus with his head." Except that his head didn't appear to hit anything - I think better brakes would be more useful, or a better brain.
"Now it's on to the bike shop to get a helmet, for the next time he catches a bus with his head." Except that his head didn't appear to hit anything - I think better brakes would be more useful, or a better brain.
It's the old story of ignoring the improvements to safety that could come through riding a properly fitting bike and getting some training in how to use it, because obviously a PFDB can do so much more.
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That's why its half and half. Neither could have stopped at the speeds they were going which means both were going to fast for the situation.
He didn't have brakes, and looked like he could have made the turn anyway (if he hadn't have been so busy scuffing his shoes along the ground to slow down). I presume the bus driver assumed the cyclist wouldn't steer into the side of his bus, and so had no need to stop.
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Niall Wallace wrote on 24/02/2007 11:11 +0100:
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> > Bikes fault this time! > > A Railman Except if you watch the slo-mo at the end, the bus is over the centre white line on his side of the road. So six and half a dozen I would say.
By the looks of things, to get that bus round that corner without crossing the center line and without taking out the railings on the near side would be quite a challenge. I also noticed that on that "blind" corner the center line was long broken rather than solid.
That's why its half and half. Neither could have stopped at the speeds they were going which means both were going to fast for the situation.
The bus takes less than 6 seconds from impact to stopping (you hear the air system discharge pressure), the car in front of the cyclist makes the corner at a speed a bit slower than the cyclist is travelling. So its pretty clear to me that the main cause of the accident is the cyclists poor control of his vehicle.
However since a bus driver in Aberdeenshire has recently been charged after hitting an unlit pedestrian wearing black clothing and walking with his back to traffic that the Judge said he could understand why the driver couldn't see they guy. I wouldn't be suprised if the defence of "I hit the bus because it was going to fast" worked.
It's weird that he can ride like an absolute loon but bottles it on the corner and goes wide - he could've lent it a lot more. I notice he's using his feet to break tho, which suggests he doesn't have brakes. Eeeek.
looked like a bmx which don't allways have front any way, so they can rotate the wheel etc.
