Burns

Katra wrote:

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And emu meat is delicious.

Sure is. Had some chargrilled skewers of emu and they were
very good.

jim

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:42:53 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

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Bob, how long ago did this occur? I can definitely tell
you that keeping a body part on ice for four hours is not
taught anymore for burn treatment. Cold water until the
burning sensation subsides

About 10 years ago. I wasn't taught anything about burn
treatment, I saw that this thing worked, so I did it.

I don't mean this to sound as brusque as it seems, but I
can tell you that being burned is an excruciating pain and
anything that stops it is fine with me.

I kept the hand cold until it didn't hurt anymore; not
always in ice. First, ice, then ice water and then cold tap
water. Then, when it didn't hurt any more, I stopped.

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is all you need, don't use ice as it can cause further
tissue death.

I guess I didn't understand the potential for that, but at
that time, I didn't care if I lost some tissue as long as I
didn't have to endure the pain. She told me to keep it cold
but to give it a breather every few minutes. That's when I
could find out if it was still painful. While it was
hurting, I kept it cold. After it wasn't, I stopped.

That is the right thing to do, just alternate between the
cooling and not cooling.

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That hot oil on the back of my hand was astoundingly
painful; it literally hurt so badly that I couldn't breathe
or talk for a while. Found myself trembling as the shock
began to wear off; not from the cold on my hand. The burn
covered the area between my wrist and the beginning of my
fingers, side to side; a good 4 inches by 4 inches splashed
with hot oil.

I kept it cold until it didn't hurt anymore and unless
there's a better way to deal with it, would do exactly the
same today. I just wanted that literally searing pain to
stop. I've had some very serious injuries in my life, but
nothing hurt as bad as that burn.

When they don't hurt you are really in trouble....

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Burn treatment has evolved quite a bit in the last few
years....

What's suggested nowadays? It's not a subject I keep up on.
Probably ought to look into it.

My earlier post is the recommended home treatment for
superficial and partial thickness burns without the skin
being broken...take a look and see if that makes sense,
cooling too long or with material that is too cold is worse
than not cooling at all. By immediate cooling you reduce the
tissue degradation...

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Pastorio

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|| > || > Iburnt my finger in the frying pan and it hurts
|| > || > like mad. what will take the pain away?
|| > ||
|| > || Heroin.
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|| > Internal or external application?
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|| Generally, it is ingested. Nothing works better for
|| pain. Of course, the side effects can be a problem.

Heh 😉

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Bob

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Deacon wrote:

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Burn treatment has evolved quite a bit in the last few
years....

What's suggested nowadays? It's not a subject I keep up
on. Probably ought to look into it.

Cold [water or other liquid], preferably running, for at
least 10 minutes.

I can speak to the effectiveness of this treatment. No
blisters, no scar.

Yes indeed. I was stirring a rather thick sauce when the
spoon snagged on something and my hand got splashed with the
sauce. Ouch!

Luckily the kitchen sink is right next to the stove, as is
the fridge. So I got cold water on it immediately. Kept it
there for at least fifteen minutes and had an ice pack in
the freezer that my SO wrapped in a towel and I placed that
on it for nearly 30 minutes.

No pain, no blistering. What really makes it effective is
you stop the whole burn process by use of cold water and ice
as soon as possible after the burn occurs.

Miche said:

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(this one) said:

Deacon wrote:

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Burn treatment has evolved quite a bit in the last few
years....

What's suggested nowadays? It's not a subject I keep up
on. Probably ought to look into it.

Cold [water or other liquid], preferably running, for at
least 10 minutes.

Why does the cold water have to be running? What's wrong
with a pitcher of ice water? How about if it still hurts
badly after 10 minutes?

Pastorio

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I can speak to the effectiveness of this treatment. No
blisters, no scar.

Peter Aitken said:

"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If there's charring or severe blistering, clothing will
need to be cut off, best done by trained medfolk.

Exactly what clothing would you cut off for a burned
finger (what the OP was asking about)?

Well, first I would cut off her shirt. Then her pants. After
that there would be burned stuff all over the place,
especially if my wife happened by...

Peter, please don't be so obtuse. The rest of the context
was talking about general treatments for burns and removal
of clothing over affected parts. The discussion had gone
well past the original post's question.

Pastorio

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JimLane said:

Katra wrote:

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And emu meat is delicious.

Sure is. Had some chargrilled skewers of emu and they were
very good.

jim

How were they marinated? I like to use pineapple juice.

K.

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augie said:

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|| In rec.food.cooking, august
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
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|| > || In rec.food.cooking, Lynne
|| > || <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| > || > Iburnt my finger in the frying pan and it
|| > || > hurts like mad. what will take the pain away?
|| > ||
|| > || Heroin.
||
|| > Internal or external application?
||
|| Generally, it is ingested. Nothing works better for
|| pain. Of course, the side effects can be a problem.

Heh 😉

Smoking a joint is safer, and I've heard it's good for pain
too... ;-)

K.

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Bob (this one) said:

Miche said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bob

(this one) said:

Deacon wrote:

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>Burn treatment has evolved quite a bit in the last few
>years....

What's suggested nowadays? It's not a subject I keep up
on. Probably ought to look into it.

Cold [water or other liquid], preferably running, for at
least 10 minutes.

Why does the cold water have to be running? What's wrong
with a pitcher of ice water? How about if it still hurts
badly after 10 minutes?

I said _preferably_ running. And it's so the water doesn't
become warm. Ice water may be cold enough to cause damage
to the skin (which is why the current advice is _not_ to
put ice on a burn). If it still hurts after 10 minutes,
keep going till it doesn't hurt. That's why I said _at
least_ 10 minutes.

Miche

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:38:43 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

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Miche said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bob

(this one) said:

Deacon wrote:

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>Burn treatment has evolved quite a bit in the last few
>years....

What's suggested nowadays? It's not a subject I keep up
on. Probably ought to look into it.

Cold [water or other liquid], preferably running, for at
least 10 minutes.

Why does the cold water have to be running? What's wrong
with a pitcher of ice water? How about if it still hurts
badly after 10 minutes?

Once the water is running it typically holds a constant
temperature (unless someone flushes a toilet etc.) ice water
can be too cold, causing the potential of tissue death. ice
water can also warm up above an effective cooling
temperature.

You can do whatever it takes to relieve the pain, running
water, ice water, I treated a person that poured a gallon of
milk on a burn as it was all they had close, the recommeded
treatment is cold running water until the pain is relieved.
There is discussion between 10 minutes minimum or 20 minutes
minimum but as long as you get pain relief and stop the
heating of the surrounding tissues the treatment is
effective.

Unfortunately there is a portion of the population that
thinks if cold water is good then ice water is better and
if ice water is better then ice is even more better but
they fail to think far enough ahead to realize that ice
causes frostbite which can be worse than their initial
superficial burn.

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Pastorio

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I can speak to the effectiveness of this treatment. No
blisters, no scar.

Katra said:

In article <[email hidden]>, JimLane

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Katra wrote:

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And emu meat is delicious.

Sure is. Had some chargrilled skewers of emu and they were
very good.

jim

How were they marinated? I like to use pineapple juice.

K.

As far as I can recall, some pineapple juice and several
other things. This was "snack" food on a hotel's happy
hour buffet.

jim

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JimLane said:

Katra said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JimLane said:

Katra wrote:

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>And emu meat is delicious.
>

Sure is. Had some chargrilled skewers of emu and they
were very good.

jim

How were they marinated? I like to use pineapple juice.

K.

As far as I can recall, some pineapple juice and several
other things. This was "snack" food on a hotel's happy
hour buffet.

jim

Neat! :-) I love to do Kebabs on the grill. I've never done
it with emu tho' as it's easy to overcook it.

I generally roast the bird whole in the BBQ with the hide on
to keep it moist.

And no, I'm not kidding. An 8 to 10 month old emu is still
small enough to fit inside my smoker.

K.

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AOLer-figures.

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obscure ISPs knocking AOL, just because they each and
every one of em can't resist broadcasting how they are a
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I used AOL for years when they first got up and running. I
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bane of Usenet back in the 90s. They have since made good. I
don't know about WebTV. I have the entire domain kfd so I
seldom see a post. It's a shame really but I just can't
stand the lunacy.

Michael

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(byakee) writes:

about 33 years ago, I got a nasty burn by backing into a
propane stove; actually pulled a layer of skin away. At
the hospital, they put a mustard pack on it.

Sounds like they were preparing to insert a weiner between
your toasted buns.

Actually, it was my arm that was burned -- I forgot to
mention that. I had my hands behind my back, trying to warm
them (very cold morning). But I can see how "buns" would be
a logical conclusion.

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I don't remember if it helped the pain or not.

If it didn't hurt you musta liked it.

The burn certainly hurt, I just don't remember if the
mustard pack helped it...

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gamer, novice cook ~ ..fish heads, fish heads, eat
them up, yum!

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use AOL over your cable for a measly extra $15/mo. is
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DISEASE_!

The difference is that *we* know how to use the Internet,
and the proper tools associated with it. All you know are
these super-lame AOL clients.

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ISPs knocking AOL, just because they each and every one of
em can't resist broadcasting how they are a *CHEAP
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It's not about being cheap. It's about not being a sucker.

-sw

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em can't resist broadcasting how they are a *CHEAP
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AOL is like training wheels without the bike...

~john

We, my wife and I, have a few pots of Aloe (?Vera) plants
here and there. One is nearby the kitchen. I do all the
cooking and, klutz that us men are, will occasionaly get
some part of my body, usually hands, mostly the digits,
scalded, grilled, roasted, fried, or in some way burned. My
immediate first aid is to remove whatever is feeling pain
from whatever is causing it including wiping off any oil or
grease. (BTW, a slice of bread works better there than a
paper towel.) From there, I cut off a stem of the Aloe close
down by the trunk, lay it out on a piece of waxed paper, and
use the round handle from a wooden spoon to smoosh out about
an inch or two of the gooey stuff inside the Aloe stem --
more if the burned area is larger than usual -- starting
from the cut end. I slather the gooey stuff over the burned
area as thick as I can. It ain't pretty, but in my case
relief is nearly instantaneous! Then I go to work pressing
out the rest of the Aloe gel from the stalk to keep it at
hand. When I feel some discomfort on the burned area, I
smear on some more gel. My worst case was a splash of
boiling water across the entire front of my left leg. By the
time I got the Aloe spread on, I could feel the first stages
of true shock setting in. It took three stalks of Aloe for
the first application. The stuff the emergency room doctor
smeared on didn't relieve the pain nearly as well. When I
got home a couple hours later, I washed his stuff off and
put Aloe on again -- felt lots better. Keep in mind, I'm not
talking about some drug store product that claims to have
Aloe, I'm talking about the raw stuff right out of the
plant. The thicker the better. It worked on my wife's
sunburn last summer, also.

Casey

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We, my wife and I, have a few pots of Aloe (?Vera)
plants here and there. One is nearby the kitchen. I
do all the cooking and, klutz that us men are, will
occasionaly get some part of my body, usually hands,
mostly the digits, scalded, grilled, roasted, fried,
or in some way burned. My immediate first aid is to
remove whatever is feeling pain from whatever is
causing it including wiping off any oil or grease.
(BTW, a slice of bread works better there than a
paper towel.) From there, I cut off a stem of the
Aloe close down by the trunk, lay it out on a piece
of waxed paper, and use the round handle from a
wooden spoon to smoosh out about an inch or two of
the gooey stuff inside the Aloe stem -- more if the
burned area is larger than usual -- starting from the
cut end. I slather the gooey stuff over the burned
area as thick as I can. It ain't pretty, but in my
case relief is nearly instantaneous! Then I go to
work pressing out the rest of the Aloe gel from the
stalk to keep it at hand. When I feel some discomfort
on the burned area, I smear on some more gel. My
worst case was a splash of boiling water across the
entire front of my left leg. By the time I got the
Aloe spread on, I could feel the first stages of true
shock setting in. It took three stalks of Aloe for
the first application. The stuff the emergency room
doctor smeared on didn't relieve the pain nearly as
well. When I got home a couple hours later, I washed
his stuff off and put Aloe on again -- felt lots
better. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some drug
store product that claims to have Aloe, I'm talking
about the raw stuff right out of the plant. The
thicker the better. It worked on my wife's sunburn
last summer, also.

Casey

If you don't have access to an Aloe plant, many healthfood
stores carry pure Aloe in a bottle. It works very nearly
as well as the stuff from the live plant. As Casey said,
don't mistake lotions and creams "containing Aloe" for the
real thing.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.