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  1. Abstract: 3.5 hrs sleep, wake up groggy. Missed a turn, lost 5 minutes.
    Second lap hot and dripping wet (temp was 100 at the finish). 60 oz/hr
    wasn't enough, by a long shot. Camps at 24 miles, tactical blunder? A
    frustrating downhill 5 mile shuffle. Comical attempt to race the lasts 2
    miles, with numerous freestyle cramping variations. Bridesmaid by 23
    seconds.

    Bulldog 50k 8/27/05

    This 50k runs through the beautiful Malibu mountains, and has about 5800' of
    climb, in two loops. I'd finished 2nd in the 50's behind the same guy the
    last couple of times I'd run this, first by 18 minutes, then 4, and I hoped
    to break the spell this year.

    I only got 3.5 hours of sleep and awoke groggy and a bit dizzy.
    Nevertheless, I was well trained and tapered, and my legs would be doing
    most of the work today.

    I didn't feel good at the start, but settled into an easy rhythm in about
    20th place (of 130). I was able to maintain 150-155 HR without much effort
    up the first 2000' climb to Bulldog Mt., and kept it just below quad-loadup.
    When that happened, I switched over to power-hiking, and maintained my
    heartrate. As usual, I ended up hiking with, and sometimes passing others
    who were jogging up the steep stuff.

    A couple of guys threw a moves at me, but I let them go. The real race
    starts on the second lap.

    At 12 miles, I missed a turn. It was marked; a singletrack branching off of
    a fireroad on the inside of a sharp hairpin, and easy to miss. I blythly
    continued down and saw the pink trail tape marking an open gate a quarter
    mile down the road, now reassured I was on course. A minute or so later, I
    saw a runner walking up in my direction -- he said there was a closed gate
    ahead. We were off course, despite the apparently marked gate. I figured
    it out after losing about 5 minutes backtracking. The 4 of us were not
    happy as we resumed the regularly scheduled event.

    I reported the problem at the next aid station and started on the second
    loop, having put a lot of ground between me and the 3 other lost-ees. I hit
    the half in 1:28 (1:23 after wrong-way adjustment, about 7 minutes ahead of
    plan). Now I was feeling the heat. It was 70 at the 6am start, but in the
    80's now at the bottom of the climb. Grind up to the top, to the ridge
    trail 2500' above the blue Pacific. Now it's 90-something, exposed, and the
    air is still. I'm soaking wet, so it's humid to boot. No one out here but
    me, a shimmering ribbon of road ahead, and billions of hot photons pouring
    down.

    On the downhill just before the 22.5 mile aid station, I felt the first
    pre-twinges of cramps, and I made a tactical mistake. I should have stopped
    to drink 40 oz of water and a salt capsule, but I bulled ahead and just
    filled my two 20oz bottles. I had upped my fluid consumption to 60 oz/hour
    on the second lap, but that wasn't nearly enough. Four minutes above the
    aid station, I got sudden and breath-takingly painful cramps in both legs.
    I winced, massaged, and quickly drank all 40 oz I was carrying -- the water
    that was supposed to get me through the next 5 miles. Should I backtrack to
    the aid station, refill, and continue (losing 12 minutes), or shuffle
    through the next 5 miles (losing 10 minutes). I decided to limp ahead. The
    cramps subsided after a few minutes, and I could finally jog, but it was
    touch and go. I had to barely shuffle, keeping my stride as smooth as
    possible to keep from cramping. I wasn't out of gas, and sans-cramps I
    would have run strong on this mostly downhill leg. Amazingly, as slow as I
    was going, I passed a younger guy (who made a very strong uphill move on me
    in lap 1) who was in even worse shape.

    Roger, another 50+ year-old glided past me a mile before the last aid
    station, and I tried to match him, but locked up again. Very frustrating--I
    had plenty of energy, just couldn't deliver it. At the last aid station, I
    quickly downed 25 oz, some salt, and ran out of the aid station with Roger,
    cramp-free for only a few minutes. After a nightmarish 1.5 miles, where I
    cramped up, fell behind, then eeked my way back, Roger made a move about 3/4
    mile from the finish, and when I tried to match it, my calves locked up. I
    ran as hard as I could with an altered stride, but just couldn't deliver.

    I was a nice round 100 degrees at the finish. I finished in 5:30. I Pulled
    a nasty positive split, but accounting for the heat and the time lost to
    cramps, it wasn't too bad. Only Roger passed me in the second loop.

    And that is how I came up with my third 2nd place 50+ finish at Bulldog.
    But I did beat my former nemesis for the first time, and by 15 minutes.
    Took 16th overall/130.
    No soreness the next day, can even run down stairs, so my training was spot
    on.

    Lessons learned:
    1. When pre-cramps occur, stop and drink an extra 40 oz. The time lost
    will be more than saved later on. 60oz/hour doesn't isn't enough when it's
    90-100 and humid.

    2. To quote Robert Frost (somehow I don't think he had this in mind :-),
    don't get lost:

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference. 20

    Factoids:

    Weight: 150 at start, 142 at finish.
    Calories used: 4700 per hrm.
    Avg pulse: 151, 83% max hr, 10 minutes above 160.
    Fluids: 280 oz, 17.5 lbs.
    Temp: 70 at start, 100 at finish.

  2. "Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Abstract: 3.5 hrs sleep, wake up groggy. Missed a turn, lost 5 minutes.
    Second lap hot and dripping wet (temp was 100 at the finish). 60 oz/hr
    wasn't enough, by a long shot. Camps at 24 miles, tactical blunder? A
    frustrating downhill 5 mile shuffle. Comical attempt to race the lasts 2
    miles, with numerous freestyle cramping variations. Bridesmaid by 23
    seconds.

    That's a [censored]. Is it supposed to be that hot (and humid) there or was it an
    anomoly? Sounds Like Atlanta or Florida in summer. I thought California
    weather was supposed to be an ideal climate - mosty dry, sometimes hot, but
    sunny.

    ...............

    Quoted message said:

    quickly downed 25 oz, some salt, and ran out of the aid station with


    Roger,

    Quoted message said:

    cramp-free for only a few minutes. After a nightmarish 1.5 miles, where I
    cramped up, fell behind, then eeked my way back, Roger made a move about


    3/4

    Quoted message said:

    mile from the finish, and when I tried to match it, my calves locked up.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    ran as hard as I could with an altered stride, but just couldn't deliver.

    That must have killed you to have the fitness to really roll but having to
    watch old Roger pull away in the final stretch.

    Quoted message said:

    I was a nice round 100 degrees at the finish. I finished in 5:30. I


    Pulled

    Quoted message said:

    a nasty positive split, but accounting for the heat and the time lost to
    cramps, it wasn't too bad. Only Roger passed me in the second loop.

    And that is how I came up with my third 2nd place 50+ finish at Bulldog.
    But I did beat my former nemesis for the first time, and by 15 minutes.
    Took 16th overall/130.
    No soreness the next day, can even run down stairs, so my training was


    spot

    Quoted message said:

    on.

    Congratulations on beating your nemesis. Former because now you've beat him?
    🙂 Like many recent reports on r.r environmental factors seem to have
    screwed things up. Interesting that many trail races happen in the summer
    when such is more likely to happen. In contrast, major road races are
    Spring/Fall, as are the orienteering seasons, though in that case the goal
    is to avoid full foliage and not just heat.

    Quoted message said:

    Lessons learned:
    1. When pre-cramps occur, stop and drink an extra 40 oz. The time lost
    will be more than saved later on. 60oz/hour doesn't isn't enough when


    it's

    Quoted message said:

    90-100 and humid.

    Good lesson to stow in the memory banks.
    .................

    Quoted message said:

    Factoids:

    Weight: 150 at start, 142 at finish.
    Calories used: 4700 per hrm.
    Avg pulse: 151, 83% max hr, 10 minutes above 160.
    Fluids: 280 oz, 17.5 lbs.
    Temp: 70 at start, 100 at finish.

    Interesting, 83-84% was the effort I ran at my 50k last year at. Did you
    expect it to be a bit higher had you been able to run more the 2nd lap?
    Thanks for the report, I've learned from and enjoyed reading your training
    reports building up to this.

    -Tony

  3. Dan Stumpus said:

    I only got 3.5 hours of sleep and awoke groggy and a bit dizzy.

    How was your sleeping Thursday night?

    Quoted message said:

    At 12 miles, I missed a turn.

    Since this was your 3rd time running this event, were you following
    someone last time?

    Quoted message said:

    I reported the problem at the next aid station

    You're a good man.

    Quoted message said:

    On the downhill just before the 22.5 mile aid station, I felt the first
    pre-twinges of cramps, and I made a tactical mistake. I should have stopped
    to drink 40 oz of water and a salt capsule, but I bulled ahead and just
    filled my two 20oz bottles. I had upped my fluid consumption to 60 oz/hour
    on the second lap, but that wasn't nearly enough.

    I guess playing catch-up was not possible. Have you ever been able to
    consume 60 oz per hour in training or race? On my hottest long runs
    I've taken in about 36 oz per hour and still felt like I was thirsty.
    I've read that on a hot day (above 80°F) you can lose 5 pounds (80 oz)
    of fluid per hour. I've also read that a typical runner can only absorb
    28 oz per hour (a little less than 2 pounds). Therefore, on warm or hot
    days, you'll incur a steady, progressive fluid deficit. So if this is
    the case, how does one stay hydrated while running an ultra in such
    conditions?

    Quoted message said:

    Four minutes above the aid station, I got sudden and breath-takingly painful
    cramps in both legs.

    You think cooler temps and better fluid/sodium management would have
    prevented this?

    Quoted message said:

    I passed a younger guy (who made a very strong uphill move on me
    in lap 1) who was in even worse shape.

    It's always nice to be able to put a postive light on things at another
    person's expense. ;-)

    Thanks for the nice, descriptive report. Sorry things didn't go as
    planned. What's next?

    --
    Phil M.

  4. Dan Stumpus said:

    1. When pre-cramps occur, stop and drink an extra 40 oz.

    Yeah, that's what the regulars do outside the deli in the front of my
    condo. Sometimes they don't even wait for the "pre-cramps". Real
    pros, these guys.

    Quoted message said:

    Weight: 150 at start, 142 at finish.
    Fluids: 280 oz, 17.5 lbs.

    Wow, so you shed 25.5 lbs in toto - that just sounds *impressive*!

    Hey Dan, sorry to hear you just baaarely missed being the first really
    old dude across the line this year, and would've but for this and that
    and the other. That's gotta be really frustrating... but it does make
    your continuing Bulldog 50k story all the more epic and brilliantly
    sets up the 2006 sequel.

    You'll knock 'em dead (slay the dragon?) in St. George. And if the
    course is in doubt there, just keep heading DOWN!

  5. "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    That's a [censored]. Is it supposed to be that hot (and humid) there or was it
    an
    anomoly? Sounds Like Atlanta or Florida in summer. I thought California
    weather was supposed to be an ideal climate - mosty dry, sometimes hot,
    but
    sunny.

    It was wet out there despite the heat, but it was not as bad as I've felt in
    Boston or No. Carolina -- the dew point felt like it was in the low to mid
    60's, not suffocating, as a 70+ DP can be.

    The reason it was hot *and* wet is proximity to the ocean which was just a
    mile to the west and 2500' down. In LA, the further away from the beach you
    are, the drier it gets. As I write, about 7 miles inland, the DP is 59 at
    83 degrees.

    Quoted message said:

    Congratulations on beating your nemesis. Former because now you've beat
    him?

    Actually, he's a good guy, he's just been faster (and in my age group!).

    Quoted message said:

    🙂 Like many recent reports on r.r environmental factors seem to have
    screwed things up. Interesting that many trail races happen in the summer
    when such is more likely to happen.

    Out here, there are trail races year-round, thankfully. Not much rain or
    snow in these parts.

    Quoted message said:

    Interesting, 83-84% was the effort I ran at my 50k last year at. Did you
    expect it to be a bit higher had you been able to run more the 2nd lap?

    Yes, due to incipient cramps, I ran 5 miles of the race at a lower effort
    level than any training run I do. I had to smile as I thought about it.

    Regards,

    Dan

  6. Dan Stumpus said:

    Abstract: 3.5 hrs sleep, wake up groggy. Missed a turn, lost 5 minutes.
    Second lap hot and dripping wet (temp was 100 at the finish). 60 oz/hr
    wasn't enough, by a long shot. Camps at 24 miles, tactical blunder? A
    frustrating downhill 5 mile shuffle. Comical attempt to race the lasts 2
    miles, with numerous freestyle cramping variations. Bridesmaid by 23
    seconds.


    .....

    Quoted message said:


    At 12 miles, I missed a turn.

    Ouch. Those things never help.

    Quoted message said:

    No one out here but
    me, a shimmering ribbon of road ahead, and billions of hot photons pouring
    down.

    What an image 😉

    Quoted message said:


    On the downhill just before the 22.5 mile aid station, I felt the first
    pre-twinges of cramps, and I made a tactical mistake. I should have stopped
    to drink 40 oz of water and a salt capsule, but I bulled ahead and just
    filled my two 20oz bottles. I had upped my fluid consumption to 60 oz/hour
    on the second lap, but that wasn't nearly enough. Four minutes above the
    aid station, I got sudden and breath-takingly painful cramps in both legs.
    I winced, massaged, and quickly drank all 40 oz I was carrying -- the water
    that was supposed to get me through the next 5 miles.

    It'd take you a huge camelbak to run races up here 😉 Of course, we're
    not usually 100F and humid.

    Quoted message said:

    And that is how I came up with my third 2nd place 50+ finish at Bulldog.
    But I did beat my former nemesis for the first time, and by 15 minutes.
    Took 16th overall/130.

    Well, you got past one nemesis this time, you'll get the other next time.

    Quoted message said:

    No soreness the next day, can even run down stairs, so my training was spot
    on.

    Good show.

    Quoted message said:


    Lessons learned:
    1. When pre-cramps occur, stop and drink an extra 40 oz. The time lost
    will be more than saved later on. 60oz/hour doesn't isn't enough when it's
    90-100 and humid.

    Congratulations on your time and placement. Next year's your turn and
    maybe weather will be more conducive to your running.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  7. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I only got 3.5 hours of sleep and awoke groggy and a bit dizzy.

    Quoted message said:

    How was your sleeping Thursday night?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    At 12 miles, I missed a turn.

    Quoted message said:

    Since this was your 3rd time running this event, were you following


    someone last time?

    Quoted message said:

    I was trying to catch a couple of guys 100 yds ahead, and lost focus. Even
    worse, I ran one lap of the course, correctly, without markings, the
    Saturday before.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I reported the problem at the next aid station

    Quoted message said:

    You're a good man.

    ....and on the next lap, they stationed a monitor there. How's that for good
    management?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ... I should have stopped
    to drink 40 oz of water and a salt capsule, but I bulled ahead and just
    filled my two 20oz bottles. I had upped my fluid consumption to 60
    oz/hour
    on the second lap, but that wasn't nearly enough.

    I guess playing catch-up was not possible.
    Not only is it possible, but I did it the year before at this race. I
    chugged 50 oz extra and vanquished the cramps. Had I stopped a couple of
    minutes at the aid station and downed 2+ bottles before refilling, I would
    have been fine.

    Quoted message said:

    Have you ever been able to consume 60 oz per hour in training or race?

    Yes, I've downed 80 in a single hour.

    60oz is no problem, provided you take salt with it (about 1/2 gram
    sodium/pint). My stomach drains like a sieve.

    Quoted message said:

    ...I've also read that a typical runner can only absorb


    28 oz per hour (a little less than 2 pounds). Therefore, on warm or hot
    days, you'll incur a steady, progressive fluid deficit. So if this is
    the case, how does one stay hydrated while running an ultra in such
    conditions?

    I think that is completely wrong. With salt the absorption rate goes *way*
    up.
    I used to be fatalistic about it, too, before I learned the salt/water
    absorption relationship.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Four minutes above the aid station, I got sudden and breath-takingly
    painful


    ?> cramps in both legs.

    Quoted message said:

    You think cooler temps and better fluid/sodium management would have


    prevented this?

    It was just dehydration, playing catch-up would have fixed it. I was about
    8 lbs light (5.5% weight loss) at the finish.

    Thanks for the nice, descriptive report. Sorry things didn't go as
    planned. What's next?

    In ultras there are always challenges, that's what makes them so
    interesting. The guy who nipped me at the end was nauseated for an hour or
    so on the first lap, for example.

    Next is a road marathon (St. George), my first since '86. I expect to be a
    tad slower :-).

    -- Dan

  8. "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Dan Stumpus said:

    1. When pre-cramps occur, stop and drink an extra 40 oz.

    Yeah, that's what the regulars do outside the deli in the front of my
    condo. Sometimes they don't even wait for the "pre-cramps". Real
    pros, these guys.

    You can be assured I downed a '40 after the race.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Weight: 150 at start, 142 at finish.
    Fluids: 280 oz, 17.5 lbs.

    Wow, so you shed 25.5 lbs in toto - that just sounds *impressive*!

    Let's just call it an even 11,900 grams and leave it right there, shall we?

    Quoted message said:

    ... That's gotta be really frustrating... but it does make
    your continuing Bulldog 50k story all the more epic and brilliantly
    sets up the 2006 sequel.

    We are in development as I write. I'm pitching Terry Gilliam.

    Quoted message said:

    You'll knock 'em dead (slay the dragon?) in St. George. And if the
    course is in doubt there, just keep heading DOWN!

    That's a big, fat Roger.

    -- Dan

  9. Dan - thanks for the (as usual) fascinating report.
    It must have been very frustrating knowing that you should have been
    going better at the end, but unable to realise the potential.

    Any target times for the upcoming road marathon?

    Anthony.

  10. Dan Stumpus said:

    "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ...I've also read that a typical runner can only absorb


    28 oz per hour (a little less than 2 pounds). Therefore, on warm or hot
    days, you'll incur a steady, progressive fluid deficit. So if this is
    the case, how does one stay hydrated while running an ultra in such
    conditions?

    I think that is completely wrong. With salt the absorption rate goes *way*
    up.
    I used to be fatalistic about it, too, before I learned the salt/water
    absorption relationship.

    I'm still on a steep learning curve. I'm gradually upping my fluids.
    When I reach the sloshing point, I guess I've maxed out my absorption
    rate and/or need to balance out with sodium. I've never felt the need
    for sodium for anything much under a 3 hour run. Are you saying that
    even if I don't need the sodium for electrolye balance, I do need it to
    increase the absorption rate of the fluids?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You think cooler temps and better fluid/sodium management would have


    prevented this?

    It was just dehydration, playing catch-up would have fixed it. I was about
    8 lbs light (5.5% weight loss) at the finish.

    I guess I need to do some testing with before and after weights. By the
    time I figure this thing out, the summer will be over.

    --
    Phil M.

  11. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I'm still on a steep learning curve. I'm gradually upping my fluids.
    When I reach the sloshing point, I guess I've maxed out my absorption
    rate and/or need to balance out with sodium.

    Sloshing means that you need sodium -- an S cap or 1/3 tsp of salt will
    drain it.

    In order to absorb water, the body needs to add sodium to the contents of
    your stomach, so that it roughly matches the saltiness of your bodily
    fluids. If you're low on sodium, the body conserves it, and the water just
    sits there.

    Quoted message said:

    I've never felt the need
    for sodium for anything much under a 3 hour run. Are you saying that
    even if I don't need the sodium for electrolye balance, I do need it to
    increase the absorption rate of the fluids?

    If you're sloshing (and dehydrated, of course), you're low on salt.
    Feelings are pretty useless in this case. Low sodium seems to suppress even
    the thirst sensation, so you end up not thirsty, dehydrated and
    queasy/sloshy all at once.

    I suspect you'll feel better on your longer runs if you take an S-cap or two
    on your 3 hr runs.

    I do so even in cooler temps. And just one long run with before/after
    weigh-in will give you a lot of info.

    -- Dan

  12. Dan Stumpus said:

    "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I'm still on a steep learning curve. I'm gradually upping my fluids.
    When I reach the sloshing point, I guess I've maxed out my absorption
    rate and/or need to balance out with sodium.

    Sloshing means that you need sodium -- an S cap or 1/3 tsp of salt will
    drain it.

    In order to absorb water, the body needs to add sodium to the contents of
    your stomach, so that it roughly matches the saltiness of your bodily
    fluids. If you're low on sodium, the body conserves it, and the water just
    sits there.

    Quoted message said:

    I've never felt the need
    for sodium for anything much under a 3 hour run. Are you saying that
    even if I don't need the sodium for electrolye balance, I do need it to
    increase the absorption rate of the fluids?

    If you're sloshing (and dehydrated, of course), you're low on salt.
    Feelings are pretty useless in this case. Low sodium seems to suppress even
    the thirst sensation, so you end up not thirsty, dehydrated and
    queasy/sloshy all at once.

    I suspect you'll feel better on your longer runs if you take an S-cap or two
    on your 3 hr runs.

    I have been doing that. An S! cap at the 1 and 2 hour interval. There
    seems to be a lot of good information here:
    http://www.ultrunr.com/sodium.html. I'm wondering though, what the
    impact is of the sudden blast of 344 mg of sodium, compared to a
    smaller, more frequent dosage.

    I hate the thought of lugging around even more fluids. My backpack
    holds 72 oz, so that gets me about 14 miles without anything else. I've
    tried my backpack along with two 20 oz UD handhelds. But that just
    seems like too much weight at the start of the run. For this Sunday
    (21-miler) I'll make sure to do the weigh-in. I'll probably make a 14
    mile loop, dump the backpack and put on a 2-bottle pack, then finish
    with a 7 mile loop. It's supposed to be sunny, a little cooler, and a
    little less humid (thank goodness).

    --
    Phil M.

  13. Dan:

    In one of your replies you mention the salt/water connection as the key
    to being able to consume more fluids and stave off Mr. Cramp, usually
    my bud at some point during a long race...and I agree with you 1000%
    (not that you needed that affirmation, by the way). This is the key
    thing I'm working on in my training---I'm a "heavy sweater" and I've
    got to consume more fluids and teach my body to handle it. Heavier
    salt concentration is critical and is working wonders for me.

    Sounded like a tough day---going off course, gee that's fun, huh?---and
    it's funny that we're so aware of our mistakes as we make them yet we
    still make them. Never stop learning, right?

    Well done on the finish; impressive in spite of the problems. And
    thanks for the descriptive report, it was a fun (and educational) read.

    Mike C

    Dan Stumpus said:

    Abstract: 3.5 hrs sleep, wake up groggy. Missed a turn, lost 5 minutes.
    Second lap hot and dripping wet (temp was 100 at the finish). 60 oz/hr
    wasn't enough, by a long shot. Camps at 24 miles, tactical blunder? A
    frustrating downhill 5 mile shuffle. Comical attempt to race the lasts 2
    miles, with numerous freestyle cramping variations. Bridesmaid by 23
    seconds.

    Bulldog 50k 8/27/05

    This 50k runs through the beautiful Malibu mountains, and has about 5800' of
    climb, in two loops. I'd finished 2nd in the 50's behind the same guy the
    last couple of times I'd run this, first by 18 minutes, then 4, and I hoped
    to break the spell this year.

    I only got 3.5 hours of sleep and awoke groggy and a bit dizzy.
    Nevertheless, I was well trained and tapered, and my legs would be doing
    most of the work today.

    I didn't feel good at the start, but settled into an easy rhythm in about
    20th place (of 130). I was able to maintain 150-155 HR without much effort
    up the first 2000' climb to Bulldog Mt., and kept it just below quad-loadup.
    When that happened, I switched over to power-hiking, and maintained my
    heartrate. As usual, I ended up hiking with, and sometimes passing others
    who were jogging up the steep stuff.

    A couple of guys threw a moves at me, but I let them go. The real race
    starts on the second lap.

    At 12 miles, I missed a turn. It was marked; a singletrack branching off of
    a fireroad on the inside of a sharp hairpin, and easy to miss. I blythly
    continued down and saw the pink trail tape marking an open gate a quarter
    mile down the road, now reassured I was on course. A minute or so later, I
    saw a runner walking up in my direction -- he said there was a closed gate
    ahead. We were off course, despite the apparently marked gate. I figured
    it out after losing about 5 minutes backtracking. The 4 of us were not
    happy as we resumed the regularly scheduled event.

    I reported the problem at the next aid station and started on the second
    loop, having put a lot of ground between me and the 3 other lost-ees. I hit
    the half in 1:28 (1:23 after wrong-way adjustment, about 7 minutes ahead of
    plan). Now I was feeling the heat. It was 70 at the 6am start, but in the
    80's now at the bottom of the climb. Grind up to the top, to the ridge
    trail 2500' above the blue Pacific. Now it's 90-something, exposed, and the
    air is still. I'm soaking wet, so it's humid to boot. No one out here but
    me, a shimmering ribbon of road ahead, and billions of hot photons pouring
    down.

    On the downhill just before the 22.5 mile aid station, I felt the first
    pre-twinges of cramps, and I made a tactical mistake. I should have stopped
    to drink 40 oz of water and a salt capsule, but I bulled ahead and just
    filled my two 20oz bottles. I had upped my fluid consumption to 60 oz/hour
    on the second lap, but that wasn't nearly enough. Four minutes above the
    aid station, I got sudden and breath-takingly painful cramps in both legs.
    I winced, massaged, and quickly drank all 40 oz I was carrying -- the water
    that was supposed to get me through the next 5 miles. Should I backtrack to
    the aid station, refill, and continue (losing 12 minutes), or shuffle
    through the next 5 miles (losing 10 minutes). I decided to limp ahead. The
    cramps subsided after a few minutes, and I could finally jog, but it was
    touch and go. I had to barely shuffle, keeping my stride as smooth as
    possible to keep from cramping. I wasn't out of gas, and sans-cramps I
    would have run strong on this mostly downhill leg. Amazingly, as slow as I
    was going, I passed a younger guy (who made a very strong uphill move on me
    in lap 1) who was in even worse shape.

    Roger, another 50+ year-old glided past me a mile before the last aid
    station, and I tried to match him, but locked up again. Very frustrating--I
    had plenty of energy, just couldn't deliver it. At the last aid station, I
    quickly downed 25 oz, some salt, and ran out of the aid station with Roger,
    cramp-free for only a few minutes. After a nightmarish 1.5 miles, where I
    cramped up, fell behind, then eeked my way back, Roger made a move about 3/4
    mile from the finish, and when I tried to match it, my calves locked up. I
    ran as hard as I could with an altered stride, but just couldn't deliver.

    I was a nice round 100 degrees at the finish. I finished in 5:30. I Pulled
    a nasty positive split, but accounting for the heat and the time lost to
    cramps, it wasn't too bad. Only Roger passed me in the second loop.

    And that is how I came up with my third 2nd place 50+ finish at Bulldog.
    But I did beat my former nemesis for the first time, and by 15 minutes.
    Took 16th overall/130.
    No soreness the next day, can even run down stairs, so my training was spot
    on.

    Lessons learned:
    1. When pre-cramps occur, stop and drink an extra 40 oz. The time lost
    will be more than saved later on. 60oz/hour doesn't isn't enough when it's
    90-100 and humid.

    2. To quote Robert Frost (somehow I don't think he had this in mind :-),
    don't get lost:

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference. 20

    Factoids:

    Weight: 150 at start, 142 at finish.
    Calories used: 4700 per hrm.
    Avg pulse: 151, 83% max hr, 10 minutes above 160.
    Fluids: 280 oz, 17.5 lbs.
    Temp: 70 at start, 100 at finish.

  14. "Anthony" <[email hidden]> wrote

    ....

    Thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    Any target times for the upcoming road marathon?

    Somewhere between 3:00 and 3:30 :-). It'll be my first since '86.

    -- Dan

  15. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I hate the thought of lugging around even more fluids. My backpack
    holds 72 oz, so that gets me about 14 miles without anything else. I've
    tried my backpack along with two 20 oz UD handhelds. But that just
    seems like too much weight at the start of the run.

    I almost always plan my long run routes to have refueling stops no further
    apart than 90 minutes. On rare occasions I'll do the camelback + 2 bottle
    thing, but I feel like a pack animal.

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