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Tom Sherman wrote:
> nget who? wrote:
> > You call him [McVeigh] a terrorist but to me that implies

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> > someone who supported him....

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> A terrorist is anyone who commits violence against civilians in

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> attempt to further a political agenda. No where is there a
> requirement that any particular terrorist have others supporting
> his/her goals or providing material assistance.
> --
> Tom Sherman - Quad City Area

I do believe that most all Islamic terrorists have others

supporting

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them either with money or materials. Maybe your definition is a
little short of the truth. Not a requirement, but surely no man is

an

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Island.

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Also, these Islamic terrorists could not exist without rogue states
harboring and supporting them. We need to go after those rogues states
they same way we would go after any enemy. That is why we went to
Afghanistan and Iraq and that will be the reason why we may have to go
to Syria and Iran too before we are done with the War on Terrorism.
Sooner or later, we are going to have to rearrange the Korean

peninsula

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too more to our liking. But it may be that North Korea will fall of

its

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own accord like the rotten apple that it is. However, some things can
only be solved by war.
--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

But Ed you know what the left would say.We need the International
community to help so that we are not offending them. And North Korea
could be left to starve ,thats what they deserve.I've got to ride my
bike today to get some of this out of my system,my bad knee will just
have to tag along for the ride.

A rogue state like North Korea can be starving its population to death and
still develop atomic bombs and the means to deliver them. We are now living
in the age of proliferation of atomic weaponry and everything has changed
from what any one has ever known previously because of it. The liberals have
yet to come to grips with this new thing in world history. It will take a
rogue state (or a terrorist group) setting off these atomic weapons and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians before they (the
liberals) will come to their senses. Those of us who are conservatives (neo-
or otherwise) worry that it may be too late by then.

The Bush doctrine of preventive war would save us all from the above
scenario, but I worry that the Bush doctrine is not really in place because
we are not doing much about North Korea and we should be doing something
about that particular rogue state other than palavering as they may very
well have a nuclear weapon by now. The fatal flaw in all democracies is that
we act too little and too late because of all our internal debates. 9/11,
although it did not involve atomic weapons, should nevertheless have been a
wake-up call for the country, but it wasn't as witness the liberal position
on all issues effecting national security and defense. 3,000 dead are not
enough. 300,000 will have to die before the liberals wake-up to the danger.

All of my concerns are focused on the defense of the nation which is more
important to me than anything else under the sun. We are living in an
incredibly evil world. All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do
nothing. The US is just about the only good nation in the world. If we do
not do what is right, who will? Surely not decadent Europe. The threat that
the Islamic world and rogue states like North Korea pose to the West is far
more serious than most realize - and the liberals do not even have a clue.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower Lighting System for
approximately $379.99 including shipping?

http://www.niterider.com/BIKEPRODUCTS/FlameThrower.html

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet mounting hardware.

Father Time

Depends.
Why do you think you need such a powerful lighting system?
NR stuff is designed for extreme offroad conditions. Not what we
generally face on a recumbent.
For the same money, you could get ten of those 5-LED Cateyes and a ton
of AAs.

I've got a NiteRider rig with high intensity discharge lamp head. I
never would have purchased it myself, it was a trade. The HID
replacement bulb is almost $100 (including shipping, if you look hard
you can find them in the $60 range). That is a very expensive lighting
system, yessirree. When I meet oncoming riders I have to cover the
light with my hand or they curse at me, it's so unbelievably intense.
You must never leave NR components on your bike when it's parked. They
will be gone when you return. Be sure to carry at least one good
backup light because when the NR battery runs out the HID dies within
about 10 minutes. And I had to create a silly extension pipe mount to
move the light head out past the fairing on my TE.

Aside from those minor annoyances, I love it. But again, I'd have
never bought one for myself with my own money. I doubt you can find a
better deal but you could save 20% if you were an REI member and still
have your Spring Sale coupon. That takes it down to about $310.00,
almost reasonable!

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Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame Thrower?
Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower Lighting System for
approximately $379.99 including shipping?
http://www.niterider.com/BIKEPRODUCTS/FlameThrower.html
I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet mounting hardware.
Father Time

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Depends.
Why do you think you need such a powerful lighting system?
NR stuff is designed for extreme offroad conditions. Not what we
generally face on a recumbent.

I assume you mean that some NR stuff is meant for that. Some of their
stuff (including some products with "road" in the name) is only "good
enough" for on-road commuting, so stepping up to other stuff that might
be nominally intended for trail use is reasonable.

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For the same money, you could get ten of those 5-LED Cateyes and a ton
of AAs.

But that would weigh a ton :-), and where would you mount those ten
lights (which all combined still might not do as good a job as a "to
see" light in some road conditions).

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Aside from those minor annoyances, I love it. But again, I'd have
never bought one for myself with my own money. I doubt you can find a
better deal but you could save 20% if you were an REI member and still
have your Spring Sale coupon. That takes it down to about $310.00,
almost reasonable!

Or he could get the CygoLite HID, which with 20% off is $240, albeit
with a NiCad battery.

--
I do not accept unsolicted commercial e-mail. Remove NO_UCE for
legitimate replies.

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Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower Lighting System for
approximately $379.99 including shipping?

http://www.niterider.com/BIKEPRODUCTS/FlameThrower.html

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet mounting hardware.

Father Time

Looks a bit overpriced, do you have a vested interest?
--
Ian

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Ian,

I don't wear vests.

That's a strange question for you to ask of someone who is asking for
positive or negative feeback or an alternative product.

Father Time

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Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower Lighting System

for

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approximately $379.99 including shipping?

http://www.niterider.com/BIKEPRODUCTS/FlameThrower.html

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet mounting hardware.

Father Time

Looks a bit overpriced, do you have a vested interest?
--
Ian

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Actually, it's not a strange question, because many people try to spam
newsgroups subtly by posting questions exactly as you have asked. It
sounded me me like a very sincere question politely phrased.

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I don't wear vests.

(chuckle)

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That's a strange question for you to ask of someone who is asking for
positive or negative feeback or an alternative product.

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Looks a bit overpriced, do you have a vested interest?

--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean,
But much benefit is derived from the labor of the ox.

Melinda Meahan

If I ask if there is a better light then you think that I am spammer.

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first time at sugar
coating an attack on another's credibility without facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety shirts for bikes to
which you commented "It's a classic Spam methodology"

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to contribute then I should
think that you are trolling.

This is a recumbent bike group where we share information and ask questions
without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the paranoid belief that
every poster sells a product.

You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics so use
alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't he a spammer.

And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if that is who you
really are).

On Topic:

All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the brand is not
important!

Thanks for the good responses on hub based and less expensive brands.

Father Time

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Melinda Meahan

If I ask if there is a better light then you think that I am spammer.

Why are there four spaces between your sentences? Is that how your
newsreader is performing or is that how you are performing? Try to get your
posts so that they look like everyone's else's why don't you.

Also, you are top posting without even including the message you are
commenting on. How the hell am I (or anyone else for that matter) suppose
to know what you are talking about. If you are going to be critical of some
one else's message, at least get your own message in the proper form.

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I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first time at sugar
coating an attack on another's credibility without facts.

All is fair in love and war - you know!

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Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety shirts for bikes to
which you commented "It's a classic Spam methodology"

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to contribute then I should
think that you are trolling.

Why are you using two separate paragraphs when it should only be a single
paragraph? In fact, your entire message boils down to only a couple of
paragraphs. Did you learn to write on some other planet than earth?

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This is a recumbent bike group where we share information and ask

questions

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without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

This is true by and large, but no one needs your approval either to comment
on ANYTHING that is posted here - whether it be on-topic or off-topic. If
someone wants to call you a spammer, then so be it. Hells Bells! I have been
called everything in the book by the denizens who reside here on ARBR. So
what else is new, Jocko? Maybe you have some names you would like to call me
too right about now? But if you decided to do it, please have the good grace
to post it in the proper form as there is nothing that pisses me off more
than an improper post. Try to think in paragraphs instead of single
sentences and do not leave vast blocks of space between your sentences
either as it appears that you have a vacuum in your brain when you do that.

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This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

The Spanish Inquisition has an undeserved bad reputation. Seen from their
point of view, all they were doing is trying to save souls for the Kingdom
of God. You do have a soul that needs to be saved, don't you?

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We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the paranoid belief

that

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every poster sells a product.

No, we don't need no steenkin' spammers here!

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You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics so use
alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

Being on-topic is vastly overrated. Am I the only one here who notices that
when everyone is always on-topic, that the posts are without fail idiotic,
stupid and boring! Like your posts for instance, Father Time!

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Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't he a spammer.

Talking about bikes gets quite boring after awhile. We can talk about any
damn thing we want to here, and if you don't like it, you can go screw
yourself, or as we use to say when I was a kid, go jump in the lake!

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And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if that is who you
really are).

Jeez! You get off topic and all the nuts and screwballs accuse you of being
a troll. Where is the logic there? Let
see if this nut Father Time (if that is who you really are) can forbear from
feeding this troll?

--
Ed Dolan (I am who I really am!) - Minnesota

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Hells Bells! I have been called everything in the book by the denizens who

reside here on ARBR

How does that make you feel?

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Melinda Meahan

If I ask if there is a better light then you think that I am spammer.

Why are there four spaces between your sentences? Is that how your
newsreader is performing or is that how you are performing? Try to get

your

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posts so that they look like everyone's else's why don't you.

Also, you are top posting without even including the message you are
commenting on. How the hell am I (or anyone else for that matter) suppose
to know what you are talking about. If you are going to be critical of

some

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one else's message, at least get your own message in the proper form.

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I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first time at

sugar

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coating an attack on another's credibility without facts.

All is fair in love and war - you know!

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Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety shirts for bikes to
which you commented "It's a classic Spam methodology"

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to contribute then I

should

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think that you are trolling.

Why are you using two separate paragraphs when it should only be a single
paragraph? In fact, your entire message boils down to only a couple of
paragraphs. Did you learn to write on some other planet than earth?

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This is a recumbent bike group where we share information and ask

questions

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without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

This is true by and large, but no one needs your approval either to

comment

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on ANYTHING that is posted here - whether it be on-topic or off-topic. If
someone wants to call you a spammer, then so be it. Hells Bells! I have

been

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called everything in the book by the denizens who reside here on ARBR. So
what else is new, Jocko? Maybe you have some names you would like to call

me

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too right about now? But if you decided to do it, please have the good

grace

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to post it in the proper form as there is nothing that pisses me off more
than an improper post. Try to think in paragraphs instead of single
sentences and do not leave vast blocks of space between your sentences
either as it appears that you have a vacuum in your brain when you do

that.

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This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

The Spanish Inquisition has an undeserved bad reputation. Seen from their
point of view, all they were doing is trying to save souls for the Kingdom
of God. You do have a soul that needs to be saved, don't you?

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We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the paranoid belief

that

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every poster sells a product.

No, we don't need no steenkin' spammers here!

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You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics so use
alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

Being on-topic is vastly overrated. Am I the only one here who notices

that

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when everyone is always on-topic, that the posts are without fail idiotic,
stupid and boring! Like your posts for instance, Father Time!

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Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't he a spammer.

Talking about bikes gets quite boring after awhile. We can talk about any
damn thing we want to here, and if you don't like it, you can go screw
yourself, or as we use to say when I was a kid, go jump in the lake!

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And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if that is who you
really are).

Jeez! You get off topic and all the nuts and screwballs accuse you of

being

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a troll. Where is the logic there? Let
see if this nut Father Time (if that is who you really are) can forbear

from

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feeding this troll?

--
Ed Dolan (I am who I really am!) - Minnesota

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Hells Bells! I have been called everything in the book by the denizens

who

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reside here on ARBR.

How does that make you feel?

It is all water off a duck's back by now. I will admit at first I was a bit
upset that someone would think I was a lying g.d. [censored] and a [censored]
idiot to boot, but I got used to it and now it is all music to my ears. I
give Mr. Sherman most of the credit for my ability to take fire under
pressure. In fact, if someone is not calling me a name, I feel some what
slighted and ignored. The folks on this newsgroup that I have a decent
relationship with I can count on the fingers of one hand. Apparently, it is
not my destiny to be loved, or even liked. So be it!

Thanks for the proper post. Form counts for a lot with me.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Father Time said:

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first time at sugar
coating an attack on another's credibility without facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety shirts for bikes to
which you commented "It's a classic Spam methodology"

Ah, then it's probably just your "tone of voice" that is coming across
that way.

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By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to contribute then I should
think that you are trolling.

Ha! You can go check my Usenet posting record on Google and see that I
am not a troll. You just said that you thought it was strange that
someone asked if you had a vested interest in something you asked about
in a peculiar way and I was just trying to do you the courtesy of
commenting on why I thought they had said it. *I* was not questioning
your intentions, nor was I criticizing them or anything.

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This is a recumbent bike group where we share information and ask questions
without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

I never said that anybody needed my approval. The idea of that is
totally ridiculous anyway. I wasn't saying that *I* thought you were a
troll, only that given the way you phrased your question I didn't think
it was so strange of a thing to wonder about, but I thought the person
who asked if you had a vested interest was sincerely asking the question.

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This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

Of course not.

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We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the paranoid belief that
every poster sells a product.

(A) If I had really believed you to be a spammer, I would not have said
anything to you on the list but rather would have reported you to your
ISP. I'm that kind of person.

(B) I absolutely disagree on "allowing" spammers into Usenet, and I can
think of quite a few newsgroups whose signal-to-noise ratio demonstrate why.

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You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics so use
alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

(A) Please note that I never tried to criticize anybody for being
off-topic, spamming, or whatever.

(B) I glean more information here than I can offer, and that is a
reasonable reason for hanging out on a NG.

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Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't he a spammer.

I wasn't saying who was or who wasn't a spammer. You must have me
confused with the person who asked if you had a vested interest in the
light you asked about.

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And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if that is who you
really are).

(CHUCKLE) "Melinda Meahan" sounds more like a real person than "Father
Time."

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All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the brand is not
important!

I saw a Cateye LED light at the LBS a day or two ago that looked really
good. It had the configuration of three circles on the top row nad one
or two circles on the bottom row, and I was really impressed with how
bright it looked in the middle of the day in bright light, so I bet it
would look really bright at night.

--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean,
But much benefit is derived from the labor of the ox.

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Father Time said:

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first time at

sugar

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coating an attack on another's credibility without facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety shirts for bikes to
which you commented "It's a classic Spam methodology"

Ah, then it's probably just your "tone of voice" that is coming across
that way.

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By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to contribute then I

should

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think that you are trolling.

Ha! You can go check my Usenet posting record on Google and see that I
am not a troll. You just said that you thought it was strange that
someone asked if you had a vested interest in something you asked about
in a peculiar way and I was just trying to do you the courtesy of
commenting on why I thought they had said it. *I* was not questioning
your intentions, nor was I criticizing them or anything.

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This is a recumbent bike group where we share information and ask

questions

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without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

I never said that anybody needed my approval. The idea of that is
totally ridiculous anyway. I wasn't saying that *I* thought you were a
troll, only that given the way you phrased your question I didn't think
it was so strange of a thing to wonder about, but I thought the person
who asked if you had a vested interest was sincerely asking the question.

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This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

Of course not.

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We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the paranoid belief

that

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every poster sells a product.

(A) If I had really believed you to be a spammer, I would not have said
anything to you on the list but rather would have reported you to your
ISP. I'm that kind of person.

(B) I absolutely disagree on "allowing" spammers into Usenet, and I can
think of quite a few newsgroups whose signal-to-noise ratio demonstrate

why.

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You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics so use
alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

(A) Please note that I never tried to criticize anybody for being
off-topic, spamming, or whatever.

(B) I glean more information here than I can offer, and that is a
reasonable reason for hanging out on a NG.

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Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't he a spammer.

I wasn't saying who was or who wasn't a spammer. You must have me
confused with the person who asked if you had a vested interest in the
light you asked about.

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And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if that is who you
really are).

(CHUCKLE) "Melinda Meahan" sounds more like a real person than "Father
Time."

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All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the brand is not
important!

I saw a Cateye LED light at the LBS a day or two ago that looked really
good. It had the configuration of three circles on the top row nad one
or two circles on the bottom row, and I was really impressed with how
bright it looked in the middle of the day in bright light, so I bet it
would look really bright at night.

It is interesting to note and compare my answer to Father Time to Melinda's.
She is ever the note of sweet reason and forbearance. I fancy that I used to
be like this myself in another lifetime, but I have given it up as I have
learned from bitter experience that sweet reason and forbearance will get
you exactly nowhere in this life. It even seems to engender contempt for the
most part. So instead, I go for the jugular like a mad beast because that is
what life (and Mr. Sherman) has taught me to do.

However, it is good to touch base every now and then with a rational soul
who knows how to think about things. Note at the end of her message how she
still wants to be helpful to this jerk about the bike light. That would not
ever even occur to me to do such a thing! I always like to end my messages
with a bit of invective so there is no mistaking how I feel about things.
Truth to tell, I am mostly [censored] 100% of the time lately. I blame this
sad state of affairs wholly on Mr. Sherman, ever my nemesis and foe 'til
death do us part.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

In a word - Yes - It's not pretty and requires changing batteries everynight,
but yes! therer is a better system!

I commute 14 miles, one way, week-days starting at 4 AM, and I went through
many variations before I discovered the current system that works GREAT!
It's always dark, winter and summer on the way to work, and in the winter,
it's sometimes dark by the time that I head for home. I do a lot of night
riding! Part of my route is no paved or lighted, part is.

I use three Mag-Lites! powered with rechargeable batteries. I always have a
set of batteries charging at home when I am at work, and a set of batteries
charging at work when I am at home.

The Mag-Lites that I use are the smaller version of the three to five D-cell
battery flashlights that you see a lot of cops and truckers use. Milled from
solid aluminum and almost indistructalble. Cops that carry one of these do
not carry night sticks, truckers routinely use them as tire thumpers. They're
tough!

They put ot a lot of light, I once had a car flash his brights at me thinking
I was on a hi/low beam system! Three lights allow you to focus the beams where
you want/need them, for me that is two out and one down close. Works great!

Mounting can be a problem, as the mount must be stable and yet quickly
dismountable. I solved the problem by making a block cut out of resin that
matches the handlebar piece that I have mounted on the front. The block mounts
to the bar, and the flashlight to the block, both held on by one wrap of
velcro. Works great, only the velcro has needed to be replaced. Slight
re-adjustment when mounting each morning is easy! It's fast, they come off
right away at work, and plop into my bag.

Cost? I don't know, as it has been too long, but the system consists of:
Three, 2 cell, mag-lites; 24 C-cell batteries; 2 chargers; velcro; resin
blocks.

Hope this helps.

--muskrat--

Father Time said:

Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower Lighting System for
approximately $379.99 including shipping?

http://www.niterider.com/BIKEPRODUCTS/FlameThrower.html

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet mounting hardware.

Father Time

Now I know how bottom posting is seen as ridiculous by some people.
Your whole post was cut off Ed. I do not quite relate with lights,
spam (for lights?) but I learned about the top versus bottom rants.

Chris Jordan
Santa Cruz, CA

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I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first time at

sugar

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coating an attack on another's credibility without facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety shirts for bikes to
which you commented "It's a classic Spam methodology"

Ah, then it's probably just your "tone of voice" that is coming across
that way.

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By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to contribute then I

should

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think that you are trolling.

Ha! You can go check my Usenet posting record on Google and see that I
am not a troll. You just said that you thought it was strange that
someone asked if you had a vested interest in something you asked about
in a peculiar way and I was just trying to do you the courtesy of
commenting on why I thought they had said it. *I* was not questioning
your intentions, nor was I criticizing them or anything.

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This is a recumbent bike group where we share information and ask

questions

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without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

I never said that anybody needed my approval. The idea of that is
totally ridiculous anyway. I wasn't saying that *I* thought you were a
troll, only that given the way you phrased your question I didn't think
it was so strange of a thing to wonder about, but I thought the person
who asked if you had a vested interest was sincerely asking the question.

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This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

Of course not.

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We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the paranoid belief

that

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every poster sells a product.

(A) If I had really believed you to be a spammer, I would not have said
anything to you on the list but rather would have reported you to your
ISP. I'm that kind of person.

(B) I absolutely disagree on "allowing" spammers into Usenet, and I can
think of quite a few newsgroups whose signal-to-noise ratio demonstrate

why.

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You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics so use
alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

(A) Please note that I never tried to criticize anybody for being
off-topic, spamming, or whatever.

(B) I glean more information here than I can offer, and that is a
reasonable reason for hanging out on a NG.

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Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't he a spammer.

I wasn't saying who was or who wasn't a spammer. You must have me
confused with the person who asked if you had a vested interest in the
light you asked about.

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And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if that is who you
really are).

(CHUCKLE) "Melinda Meahan" sounds more like a real person than "Father
Time."

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All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the brand is not
important!

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Now I know how bottom posting is seen as ridiculous by some people.
Your whole post was cut off Ed. I do not quite relate with lights,
spam (for lights?) but I learned about the top versus bottom rants.

What the hell do you mean my post was cut off? What kind of a newsreader are
you using? I am using my OE newsreader and it works just fine. If you are
using Google, it should all be there on the page even if you have to go to
the full page to get it. Screw it! If you do not know how to use Google by
now, then you never will.

By the way, I never rant. My posts are replete with wisdom and truth and
many other good things. I always cut to the quick of an argument. You should
hang on my every word and at the end of it all you will be a wiser and far
better man than you have ever been heretofore.

There is NEVER any reason to top post. If you have a brain in your head, you
can figure out how to edit judiciously so as to help the reader to make
sense out of what is being said. That is always my number one main concern -
to make sure that the reader knows what is going on. But when some one top
posts, it is almost impossible to accomplish this very simple and elementary
task.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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It is interesting to note and compare my answer to Father Time to Melinda's.
She is ever the note of sweet reason and forbearance.

Why, thank you for the compliment!

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be like this myself in another lifetime, but I have given it up as I have
learned from bitter experience that sweet reason and forbearance will get
you exactly nowhere in this life.

Where it gets me for the most part is to stay in a state of contentment
and peace. But I will concede that it's primarily a female-gender thing
more than a male-gender thing.

--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean,
But much benefit is derived from the labor of the ox.

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It is interesting to note and compare my answer to Father Time to

Melinda's.

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She is ever the note of sweet reason and forbearance.

Why, thank you for the compliment!

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be like this myself in another lifetime, but I have given it up as I

have

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learned from bitter experience that sweet reason and forbearance will

get

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you exactly nowhere in this life.

Where it gets me for the most part is to stay in a state of contentment
and peace. But I will concede that it's primarily a female-gender thing
more than a male-gender thing.

You have got that right Melinda. We men are only good for one thing and that
is killing one another. After a life time of reflecting on the human
condition I despair of there ever being any such thing as progress. What
needs to happen is for the male gender to go out of existence and for the
female gender to completely take over. The only reason for sex in the first
place is to spread those genes around in order to insure vigor and vitality.
Nature made a huge mistake when it could not figure out how to procreate by
cell division without all the problems of inbreeding. If nature could have
solved this problem by cell division, there would never have been any reason
to have a male sex. Thus spake Zarathustra!

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Melinda's.

.. What needs to happen is for the male gender to go out of existence
and for the

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female gender to completely take over

Well noted; and speaking of that Catrike Speed can now be purchased at
Amazon.com I bought my Speed from a female dealer last year, so I
guess I am ahead of the game.

Such a shame it did not have lights! That *is* what this thread is
about; isn't it?

Chris J.

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message pare my answer to Father

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Melinda's.

. What needs to happen is for the male gender to go out of existence
and for the

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female gender to completely take over

Well noted; and speaking of that Catrike Speed can now be purchased at
Amazon.com I bought my Speed from a female dealer last year, so I
guess I am ahead of the game.

Such a shame it did not have lights! That *is* what this thread is
about; isn't it?

Chris J.

Chris, any thread that goes on too long is going to get sidetracked and/or
go off the rails altogether. That of course is what has happened to this
thread. You must learn to expect this sort of thing because we are all
mature adults here and we have minds that range broadly. One thought leads
to another and before you know it we are in Timbuktu. You might as well get
used to it. Only extremely boring subject topics will stay on topic. That is
not really what we want here is it?

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota