Clara M said:
So this is how my comminuted fracture looks like after 5 months. No surgery, ROM is not as before that's obvious but I am working on that.
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well, I don't share bsbs' opinion, to me it is obvious that there is a significant difference between the two sides. Clara, why didn't you have the surgery? I remember you have said that you will go to Hungary or Austria to find a surgeon, what happened?
 
willy81 said:
well, I don't share bsbs' opinion, to me it is obvious that there is a significant difference between the two sides. Clara, why didn't you have the surgery? I remember you have said that you will go to Hungary or Austria to find a surgeon, what happened?
Well what happened was that out of 5 surgeons I have consulted 3 told me NO surgery and 2 said to have it...but the two didn't leave a good impression so I listened to the others. Thing is the surgeon in Hungary was actually a sports surgeon and said to forget about the surgery because it has almost healed completely and that with PT I will be back to normal. The little fragment that is poking the skin can be removed because it can get uncomfortable but I should wait with that too...so all in all the specialists I have seen told me that surgery is not the best solution or is not an option, I personally don't know what to think anymore...I mean Brad you have lived like that for 3 years? Why didn't you get the surgery faster? On the other hand I was and still am scared of any kind of surgical intervention so I would try anything before doing that. I am having doubts every day about this but what can I do now? Hope that I have opted for the right solution.
 
sinkthiscity said:
Clara, I struggle to see which side was broken! I've attached a pic of me 3 weeks after my break. My range of motion seems quite good already but I'm trying not to move too much even tho I feel I want to. Steve, I feel my break is similar to your initial X-ray. Interesting to here your still struggling. I have an appointment in a week where I am going to put forward my concerns at letting this completely heal naturally.
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Well my right clavicle was broken in 3 places, I cracked it 10 years ago in only one place lol but i somehow managed to repeat the same incident some years after that and here I am with a comminuted fracture that has somehow healed but it feels weird, i still haven't started swimming but next week i will definitely go and i will let you know how it feels.
 
Originally Posted by Clara M .



Well what happened was that out of 5 surgeons I have consulted 3 told me NO surgery and 2 said to have it...but the two didn't leave a good impression so I listened to the others.
Thing is the surgeon in Hungary was actually a sports surgeon and said to forget about the surgery because it has almost healed completely and that with PT I will be back to normal. The little fragment that is poking the skin can be removed because it can get uncomfortable but I should wait with that too...so all in all the specialists I have seen told me that surgery is not the best solution or is not an option, I personally don't know what to think anymore...I mean Brad you have lived like that for 3 years? Why didn't you get the surgery faster? On the other hand I was and still am scared of any kind of surgical intervention so I would try anything before doing that. I am having doubts every day about this but what can I do now? Hope that I have opted for the right solution.
When I first broke mine I went to 3 surgeons, two of which said wait and let it heal and the 3rd said that he would do the surgery if I really wanted but recommended we leave it alone. I took the advice and let it heal naturally. It took about 5 months or maybe a bit more until I could finally start being active in the way I wanted to be (running, resistance workouts, sports). The shoulder was useable but always awkward and weak. It wasn't until about 2 years later that I really started to get irritated by the chronic injury. I was taking too much Advil and Tylenol, attempting to mask pain in the shoulder after working out that would last for days or to a week (it would come and go). I finally went back to one of my surgeons and right away he says "let's straighten it out". He claimed things have changed in the past few years and they are noticing a better satisfactory rate on operated patients. He also stated that time tells us this needs to be fixed. If it bothers me for that long then obviously it will never heal properly.

I would say if it still bugs you at around the 6 month mark then it will likely bug you the rest of your life. At this point I would definitely recommend pushing hard for the surgery because nothing else is going to get rid of the pain permanently.
 
Thanks to my crappy situation I have been wearing a bandage for over a month and I still need to for another week at least! I feel like it is becoming part of me lol.
 
bsbs1876 said:
Thanks to my crappy situation I have been wearing a bandage for over a month and I still need to for another week at least! I feel like it is becoming part of me lol.
but not the sling, right?
 
NoodleArms said:
.  still a non-union under the plate, still a little painful and almost completely numb along the entire incision and about an inch surrounding it, if that makes sense?  interesting about the muscles in that area - hadn't thought of that before.  my surgeon says it's because there's a bundle of subclavian nerves they have to sort of "stretch" out of the way to gain access to that area, but the muscle thing makes a lot of sense too. I'm completely accident prone, you're right.  I've torn both shoulder AND hip labrums requiring arthro surgery to repair over the last 8 years.  My friends call me "Calamity Jane" - my surgeon says I have ligamentous laxity and an "overgrowth" of cartilage in my joints... but really, I'm just accident prone.
how do you know that there is no union under the plate? if the two ends are close to each other there should the "Hard Calus" already be formed http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/bone_fracture/4_soft_callus_formation.php
 
Clara M said:
willy81 said:
well, I don't share bsbs' opinion, to me it is obvious that there is a significant difference between the two sides. Clara, why didn't you have the surgery? I remember you have said that you will go to Hungary or Austria to find a surgeon, what happened?
Well what happened was that out of 5 surgeons I have consulted 3 told me NO surgery and 2 said to have it...but the two didn't leave a good impression so I listened to the others. Thing is the surgeon in Hungary was actually a sports surgeon and said to forget about the surgery because it has almost healed completely and that with PT I will be back to normal. The little fragment that is poking the skin can be removed because it can get uncomfortable but I should wait with that too...so all in all the specialists I have seen told me that surgery is not the best solution or is not an option, I personally don't know what to think anymore...I mean Brad you have lived like that for 3 years? Why didn't you get the surgery faster? On the other hand I was and still am scared of any kind of surgical intervention so I would try anything before doing that. I am having doubts every day about this but what can I do now? Hope that I have opted for the right solution.
I don't know, everything it is up to you but since you are a woman the aesthetic part would be very important, just keep the surgery option open
 
Originally Posted by willy81 .


but not the sling, right?
Right, no sling for a while now. I found it too uncomfortable and most times I am just at the computer resting it on the arm rest or under pillows in bed. I just got home from another followup with my doctor and I have been given the clearance to start some isometric exercises and stretching. I just did my first set of them and things obviously feel very weak and awkward right now but I think I feel a tiny bit of progress.

It has been 5 weeks since the plate went in so I think the bone is close to healed, it is just a matter of my muscles being so atrophied and unused that I have to train very slowly. Also my incision is still somewhat fresh due to my issue I ran into mentioned in a previous post of mine. I am still wearing a bandage with steristrips under it for another week.

I think all these dressing contribute to the tightness I feel, but what are the good neck/shoulder exercises for tightness that you guys used?
 
In January 2013 I fractured my left clavicle while cycling. A dog jumped out from behind a bush to chase my partner and struck my bike right at the front sprocket. The result a z shaped clavicle. The Er doc and the orthopedic consult doc said there was nothing that could be done and that it would heal on its own. After 4 weeks of constant pain I listened to a friend and went to see a specialist. I did not want to live with the pain and i refused to become a zombie head on pain killers. After 5 weeks there was no new bone growth or fusion occurring. The doc explained all of the options. I chose surgery. I am now 3 weeks post op on having open reduction surgery and a titanium plate installed. I must say it has made a world of difference in my recovery. Basically having your collar bone broken into a z shape is like having a bent front control arm on your car. The alignment will not be right. My shoulder is now back in alignment and I am on the road to full recovery. I am 50 years old and was worried about being able to resume my cycling lifestyle. Prior to injury I logged 100 to 150 miles per week. I am firmly in the camp of get a second opinion and do not wait 5 weeks to do so. Yes I do have numbness around the incision site but the area of numbness is shrinking. Time to get back on the trainer.
 
Originally Posted by raymoncarson .

In January 2013 I fractured my left clavicle while cycling. A dog jumped out from behind a bush to chase my partner and struck my bike right at the front sprocket. The result a z shaped clavicle. The Er doc and the orthopedic consult doc said there was nothing that could be done and that it would heal on its own. After 4 weeks of constant pain I listened to a friend and went to see a specialist. I did not want to live with the pain and i refused to become a zombie head on pain killers. After 5 weeks there was no new bone growth or fusion occurring. The doc explained all of the options. I chose surgery. I am now 3 weeks post op on having open reduction surgery and a titanium plate installed. I must say it has made a world of difference in my recovery. Basically having your collar bone broken into a z shape is like having a bent front control arm on your car. The alignment will not be right. My shoulder is now back in alignment and I am on the road to full recovery. I am 50 years old and was worried about being able to resume my cycling lifestyle. Prior to injury I logged 100 to 150 miles per week. I am firmly in the camp of get a second opinion and do not wait 5 weeks to do so. Yes I do have numbness around the incision site but the area of numbness is shrinking. Time to get back on the trainer.
Sounds like a classic example. Don't worry, you will be able to resume your cycling lifestyle. Just give it some time to full bond before you start going hard outdoors again. This is a very common injury in cyclists and they always seem to bounce back no problem with surgery.
 
Originally Posted by willy81 .


sorry to hear that you had some kind of complications, it happens sometimes. I also ha something similar but it was not necessary to drain it or take antibiotics.
there was some kind of pus at the one end of the incision like a pimple, I did not break it until one day it came off on its own.
This puffiness is annoying but it takes a couple of months to disappear.
Don't worry about your Physio all muscles are just a little sore but they came easily back, how is the stiffness at your neck?
and I am really curious to know how symmetric you are now.
take care!
Hey *****, how big was this pus like pimple on your incision? I'm curious if it was anything like what I had. Was it red and inflamed? Mine must have been about the size of a quarter and pretty red and swollen. I think it was infected which is why the surgeon had to open it up to clean and put me on antibiotics. Everything is going well for me now by the way.
 
So guess what today just about 20 min ago i was trying to cut a pizza into 4slices and the wood thingie i was cutting it on fell from the kitchen counter on my toe and i think i broke it! So yeah let's talk about luck and how much i need it! I am not going to the emergency room for this...i hope it's ok to wait until tomorrow....to see a doc Oh man i am sick of this, what's going on? What is wrong with me?
 
Thanks. Yes, I'm going slow but am anxious to get back at it. I wish I had not wasted 5 weeks before having surgery.
 
Hi,

Deciding on surgical treatment for clavicle fractures can be a difficult process. I'm an orthopedic surgeon and I made an animation video which helps explain which clavicle fractures need surgery. I hope it helps.

http://youtu.be/ReENIPUufWY

JY
 
bsbs1876 said:
willy81 said:
sorry to hear that you had some kind of complications, it happens sometimes. I also ha something similar but it was not necessary to drain it or take antibiotics. there was some kind of pus at the one end of the incision like a pimple, I did not break it until one day it came off on its own. This puffiness is annoying but it takes a couple of months to disappear. Don't worry about your Physio all muscles are just a little sore but they came easily back, how is the stiffness at your neck? and I am really curious to know how symmetric you are now. take care!
Hey *****, how big was this pus like pimple on your incision? I'm curious if it was anything like what I had. Was it red and inflamed? Mine must have been about the size of a quarter and pretty red and swollen. I think it was infected which is why the surgeon had to open it up to clean and put me on antibiotics. Everything is going well for me now by the way.
it was about 3mm at the one end of the cut, it broke almost on its own, yours was more serious since you had again a mini surgery but the bone heeling process did not stop, just give it time and you will be fine, can you ride now? I guess you can, ride your trainer and be cautious in falls, secure your steps everywhere.
 
Clara M said:
So guess what today just about 20 min ago i was trying to cut a pizza into 4slices and the wood thingie i was cutting it on fell from the kitchen counter on my toe and i think i broke it! So yeah let's talk about luck and how much i need it! I am not going to the emergency room for this...i hope it's ok to wait until tomorrow....to see a doc Oh man i am sick of this, what's going on? What is wrong with me?
tight two toes together with tape so it does not move
 
josephyu said:
Hi, Deciding on surgical treatment for clavicle fractures can be a difficult process.  I'm an orthopedic surgeon and I made an animation video which helps explain which clavicle fractures need surgery.  I hope it helps.  http://youtu.be/ReENIPUufWY JY
thank you for your contribution, what kind of surgeries do you do? it is so good to have an orthopedic doctor here.
 
Hey

i broke my clavical 1 day ago playing aussie rules football. The break isnt serious from the x rays. Whats happened is the clavical has bent upwards from the x ray view. Im seeing the orthopedist this week. But im young and love exercising and am really healthy. I recently had keyhole hernia surgery which was supposed tohave an 8 week recovery time but i only needed 3 weeks. But what course of action is better for the collarbone, i dont really care about playing sport sooner but whats the best action to continue to live a healthy, fit life

Luca
 
willy81 said:
tight two toes together with tape so it does not move
Yeah i read about that, so should i reallydo it? Even if i didn't get an xray? Hmmmm I will probably go and a doc on monday... Thanks for the advice! :)