broad st. 10 mile - sub 1:05

CP said:

Da!

Indeed!

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ПЕНДЕХО

Whatever. Is that your race report? Chip time: 1:04:47. Not bad. Congrats!

--
Phil M.

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Da!

ПЕНДЕХО

Way to go, Pendejo!! Practicing your Russian, heh?

(My poor Russian has degenerated to the point that given enough time, I
can pick out the letters and prounounce one word at a time with a great
deal of mutilation. 😉 One of our snowshoe club members moved to Russia
and sent our leader an issue of their equivalent of RW, complete with a
picture from one of the club runs - that's why I know how rusty.)

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

Phil M. said:

CP said:

Da!

Indeed!

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Whatever. Is that your race report? Chip time: 1:04:47. Not bad. Congrats!

--
Phil M.

I think he was also going for the shortest race report record.

What were the rules again?
total number of letters in subject and body combined, right?

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Da!

ðåîäåèï

Congrats Charlie!!

I'd like to hear more details. Is a regular report coming later?
Ed

On 7 May 2006 17:00:15 -0700, "Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]>

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I'd like to hear more details. Is a regular report coming later?

WTF Ed, did your dog die? Wife leave you?

....Predicts a 3:03 marathon (or a bit better), per the Gardner/Purdy tables.
Also a 39 flat 10k.

Vewwy nice.

Congrats!

-- Dan

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Da!

???????

[email hidden] kirjoitti:

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Da!

Huh? Short course? It just doesn't compute! Or did you finally read one
of the "It's all in the mind, stupid!"-books Lance recommended?

Anders

kudos charlie! how much is that a PR by?

-Tony

This is not a laughing matter Anders. Shame on you. There are now 2
milestones that man has broken in distance running unbelievably sharing
the same date, that will be heralded through history world wide.

May 6, 2006, Charles Anderson, Sub 1:05, 10 Miles, Philadelphia.
May 6, 1954, Roger Bannister 3:59.4, 1 Mile, Oxford, England.

Some achievements don't need or warrant context or words and this is
clearly one. If I could do what Charles has, I too would just stick my
[censored] out like this sans words or context and say "look at it". Is that
basically not what this post amounts to?

Sub 1:05, 10 Miles, "enough said", whoo-hoo!

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Some achievements don't need or warrant context or words and this is
clearly one. If I could do what Charles has, I too would just stick my
[censored] out like this sans words or context and say "look at it". Is that
basically not what this post amounts to?

Sub 1:05, 10 Miles, "enough said", whoo-hoo!

I agree with you there. CP deserves a round of applause. But we've come
to expect a fairly lengthy tale him. Da? What is that? Even UJ would
give a more elaborate embellishment.

sub 65 fuw

--
Phil M.

well he has a "formula". he writes for the audience...all of you in
this newsgroup, this is clear if you really read his post and connect
the patterns over the series of them.

generally he'll migrate to the same patterns (he's big on food, his
stomach, self doubt & reservation, etc.). American Lit fans, I place
him somewhere between Hawthorne and Melville. this posting is very
arrogant and i like it. i like the bravado and big [censored] achievement he
feels he's accomplished. that's the mentality he will need to run well
in NYC in the big race w/Mottram coming up in 2 weeks.

Think about it. Note the time of the race, the time he must of
finished and although he was out of town,...one of the first things he
felt the need to do is find or computer or use his handheld to post his
"big [censored] achievement" on this newsgroup sans words....almost as if
it's "breaking news". LOL. I love it.

Honestly...in the history of this newsgroup, this has got to be the
fastest, quickest posting after a race of some distance...ever.
Charles is clearly getting Cocky (and here we see his [censored] is "sub
1:05"😉.

Phil M. said:

CP said:

Da!

Indeed!

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Whatever. Is that your race report? Chip time: 1:04:47. Not bad. Congrats!

Sorry for replying to you Phil but I didn't get Charlie's original - my
news server is seems to want to filter russian posts ;-)

Excellent news Charlie.
If you go by calculated VO2max, that'd predict you a 3:00:35
marathon ;-)

Thanks all for the congrats. Yeah that was 1:04:47 chip, 1:05:01 (damn, but
I sure tried) gun.

Going in I thought 1:06:00 was my best-case goal.

Tony said:

kudos charlie! how much is that a PR by?

My only prior 10 mile was my second race, and NYRR has that listed as
1:30:51. So I guess it's a 26:04 PR!

That one only lists a gun time, not chip, so I probably started 10 minutes
late. First few races I didn't have the hang of how much time the trains
took to Central Park. Heck, first few races I didn't have the hang of
getting up early - I was still quite the night owl.

Last year I ran a 16 km race in Helsinki in 1:09:37, call it one-tennish for
ten miles.

This year I think I split 1:08:low for the Brooklyn half; I calced it before
this race but misplaced the number and too hurried now to look it up. But
it's there in my race report in this ng.

So it's quite a PR no matter how you slice it. Undoubtedly my finest race
to date by a good margin. In fact I split both 4 miles and 10 km
(interpolating for the latter) within seconds of my recent PRs at those
distances.

It's flat (not quite Chicago-flat, but the mild hills are like 20 feet) and
straight - you only curve around the exquisite City Hall, otherwise it's a
perfectly straight shot down Broad St. Weather was just about ideal,
low-mid 50's with a slight breeze.

What really allowed me to race this well was an involutary two week taper,
eight or ten days of which with minor cold symptoms which never got bad but
never went away sufficiently until the day before the race, that I felt
confident doing the kind of mileage or workouts I would've otherwise. So
like it or not I sacrificed some of my training toward July's Utica
Boilermaker 15km to run well a few months earlier at a race of just about
the same distance and size of field. With all I've got going on at the
moment, including a trip to Ukraine departing tomorrow evening (still gotta
unpack from Philly and pack for this!!) I'm happy it worked out this way:
the months ahead are really hazy at the moment but it's entirely possible I
won't race Utica or even be on this continent then.

Not all that much occurs to me right now to report from the race itself.
First few miles felt easy and I was very surprised by the pace my watch
reported. I noticed that I was able to sightsee for the first three or four
miles then my focus narrowed so that when my wife yelled for me around mile
6 I was fairly unaware of my surroundings. As the miles went by I began to
accept that 1:05:xx and then outright sub-1:05 might be within reach.

As I recall it seemed hardest to hold pace about 2/3 of the way in. After
the 7th mile marker or so it became easier psychologically - the finish was
getting nearer. Shortly before mile 9 they were playing the Rocky theme and
just how much of an emotionally manipulable sap I'm becoming really hit me
then, as my cynicism was nowhere to be seen and instead I actually felt
pretty charged at hearing this music in this city during a good race, and
sped way up a notch and passed a whole cluster of folks I'd been tailing the
last few miles.

Afterwards I stuffed my face with all kinds of good food and North America's
best ice cream (gelato and sorbetto) for the next 36 hours.

OK that's all for now. Here's my splits.

6:19
6:19
6:30
6:34
6:33 first 5 - 32:15
6:41
6:37
6:32
6:25
6:17 last 5 - 32:32

Phil said:

we've come to expect a fairly lengthy tale him. Da? What is that?

Oh yeah, meant to say:

[a] I don't travel with anything internet-connected so I was sneaking a very
brief moment at a free terminal at the ING Direct Cafe between the race and
one of (lunch, gelato, shower, chamber music concert wherein two of the five
pieces were for BASSOON FREAKIN' QUARTET, nap, clothes shopping), I forget
what order that all occured.

[b] I was of course inspired by steve common's old race report, recently
referenced.

And thanks, Phil, for saying "fairly lengthy" even if you really meant
"mind-numbing and ridiculously verbose."

- - - - -

Speaking of verbosity, here's a few other things I meant to put into race
report or training week or somewhere.

- Lest anyone wonder if I'm really too stoopid to ever learn, I do in fact
connect getting the cold a couple weeks ago with too much stress - mostly
from a little too many hard workouts and not quite enough recovery, plus
extra other stressors, capped by the stunt of 4 mile race + long run in the
rain just as my wife's getting rid of a little cold that I had theretofore
managed to avoid. I'm certainly still learning what training in what
amounts works for me, and what's a little too much.

- I've dropped a few pounds the last two weeks, while running a third fewer
miles and eating just as much if not more. I wonder if part of that might
not relate to hormonal changes as the days get longer and warmer. Certainly
I can feel I respond to the sun and the warmth on some levels and maybe
metabolism is part of that. But also I've run across a few citations lately
from credentialed dietition type people about weight fluctuation sometimes
not exactly tracking calorie surplus or deficit. One online is at
http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=12961

While a 700-calorie imbalance is suggestive of a 1-
to 1.5-pound loss per week, very few of the runners
were actually losing weight. Why? The human body has
an ability to adapt to a lower level of energy intake,
allowing for preservation of weight despite a calorie
shortage. Unfortunately, this means the body is less
efficient at using the calories and nutrients consumed
during training. A lack of calories also depresses
immune function, making the athlete more vulnerable to
illness and injury during intensive training.

I'm not at all inclined to track calories but I think I'll make an effort to
eat a little more especially when I return to 100 km per week, and see what
happens. Although all bets are off for both mileage and calories these next
couple weeks in a land where "sala" is a national dish.

Charlie Pendejo a écrit :

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6:19
6:19
6:30
6:34
6:33 first 5 - 32:15
6:41
6:37
6:32
6:25
6:17 last 5 - 32:32

Congrats for the PR Charlie, and the very good pacing!
You did almost even splits (I guess that 20feet 'hill' was on mile 6 ;-p
). It looks like you went sub-40' at the 10km mark?

Have a nice trip to Ukraine, and watch out for those ice-creams, they
did put me 2kg over my performance weight since my last marathon...

m

Charlie Pendejo kirjoitti:

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So it's quite a PR no matter how you slice it. Undoubtedly my finest race
to date by a good margin. In fact I split both 4 miles and 10 km
(interpolating for the latter) within seconds of my recent PRs at those
distances.

It is indeed so fine it's almost ridiculous, but that's how it can be:
progress is gradual in the long run, but it often advances in large
bounds in the short run. First you train for a few months, then you get
a race result that is okay at best (and may require you to justify it
to yourself with "Well, I didn't taper for it this time" or some such
explanation) and then you have a race which makes a complete mockery of
your previous race efforts (and possibly makes you ask yourself whether
it was just the taper that made things click or whether you've been an
underachiever).

Quoted message said:

As I recall it seemed hardest to hold pace about 2/3 of the way in. After
the 7th mile marker or so it became easier psychologically - the finish was
getting nearer. Shortly before mile 9 they were playing the Rocky theme and
just how much of an emotionally manipulable sap I'm becoming really hit me
then, as my cynicism was nowhere to be seen and instead I actually felt
pretty charged at hearing this music in this city during a good race, and
sped way up a notch and passed a whole cluster of folks I'd been tailing the
last few miles.

If - and that's a big if IMHO - you've been short of realizing your
full potential on race day, it could well be that it wasn't a fear of
hurting but a sort of fear of letting yourself go that stopped you. I
suspect that what you call your cynicism was pretty much the same as
mine: I often found myself asking myself "What business does a guy like
me have trying to race as hard as the elite guys?", "What is the point
of trying to pretend it is a big deal how fast you finish?" and "Do you
really want to become just the kind of middle-aged mid-packer trying
too hard in a small race you used to find so pathetic?" - and it wasn't
until I learned to escape such thoughts (or they simply became
meaningless to me) that I truly began to race, with a couple of hugely
dramatic (to my very own self) improved races as a result.

(OK, the immediate next step in my case was a sort of hubris: I began
to believe I was a much better runner than I was and I already saw
myself as an even better one in almost no time at all. )

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OK that's all for now. Here's my splits.

Two out of the five fastest at the end, three in the beginning; no
significant sagging in between, Well done, old chap!

Haroshi morozhi, too - but remember that the local varietiess probably
don't include lo-fat:-)

Anders

[email hidden] kirjoitti:

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This is not a laughing matter Anders. Shame on you. There are now 2
milestones that man has broken in distance running unbelievably sharing
the same date, that will be heralded through history world wide.

I wasn't laughing at anyone - not even you:-)

Actually I assumed and thought that you and your "Tough Love"-stance in
your comments on his previous race was directly or indirectly to a
certain extent behind Charlie's reaching the milestone. You may not
have noticed it, but I refrained from panning you for once more being
too busy to get on your hobby horse without paying adequate attention
to the particulars you purported to criticize.

(Granted, I also thought that Dan's description of how he felt during
races and his tips were more crucial and more useful to Charlie.)

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May 6, 2006, Charles Anderson, Sub 1:05, 10 Miles, Philadelphia.
May 6, 1954, Roger Bannister 3:59.4, 1 Mile, Oxford, England.

Remarkable coincidence - but I'm sure which one is more meaningful for
rec.running:-)

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Some achievements don't need or warrant context or words and this is
clearly one. If I could do what Charles has, I too would just stick my
[censored] out like this sans words or context and say "look at it". Is that
basically not what this post amounts to?

I'd say that not only that post but almost every other post that is
written after a triumphant PB, it's just that normally people feel they
have to resort to a certain amount of words to hide their primal
motive.

BTW I'd still rank a real HM result higher than a virtual one based on
an underdistance result. I.e. your [censored] is IMHO just as stickoutable
as it was until Charlie actually runs sub-1:27:-)

Quoted message said:

Sub 1:05, 10 Miles, "enough said", whoo-hoo!

Yes! Prima, klasse, superspitze!

Anders

anders said:

If - and that's a big if IMHO - you've been short of realizing your
full potential on race day, it could well be that it wasn't a fear of
hurting but a sort of fear of letting yourself go that stopped you.

Anders, I appreciate your feedback as always.

But I don't think this is the case. I've been racing at the same 100% or
99.44% (there's always the possibility that being chased by killer hornets
might incentivize a few more seconds out of the ol' legs) just about every
race for the last couple years.

In fact my pacing's been pretty even for most of those - where I've been
thrown off a few times earlier this year, it really seems largely to me that
I've just taken a race or two to calibrate to the slightly increased
capabilities of my legs and lungs.

Regarding pain, this Broad Street race hurt less than most, not more.
That's because of the distance: as you're well aware, 15km to half marathon
(and probably up to 30 km, but I've never raced between 21 & 42 km), being
run at or below LT, are relatively "comfortable" race distances - long
enough to be slow enough not to hurt too much; short enough that you don't
suffer any of the marathon slings and arrows of glycogen depletion,
dehydration, muscle pounding. (Though believe me, my legs are still
*plenty* sore this morning two days later.)

My secrets this time out?

[a] training works: I've possibly run enough 100 km weeks before this race
to claim that figure as my base, plus some (but not enough yet!) fast reps /
long intervals / threshold work

[b] taper works: a couple weeks with substantially reduced mileage and no
hard workouts really does freshen up the legs; it's not for nothing that we
do this before marathons

[c] weight loss helps: dropping a few pounds since my other 2006 races,
whatever the cause, is a good thing; I was about 4 lb lighter yet for 2005
NYCM but generally have been a kg or two heavier for most races

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I suspect that what you call your cynicism was pretty much the same as
mine: I often found myself asking myself "What business does a guy like
me have trying to race as hard as the elite guys?"

[quote="Charlie Pendejo"]

anders said:

If - and that's a big if IMHO - you've been short of realizing your
full potential on race day, it could well be that it wasn't a fear of
hurting but a sort of fear of letting yourself go that stopped you.

Quoted message said:

I suspect that what you call your cynicism was pretty much the same as
mine: I often found myself asking myself "What business does a guy like
me have trying to race as hard as the elite guys?"