bottom bracket for campy triple crank

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What spindle length bb do I need for a campy veloce triple crank?
Frames is steel 853 reynolds. 111, 115? What is the longest spindle I
can use? I have a 115 UN72. I think that it will put the crankarms too
far out. Can I use a miche track bb?

Thanks,

Andres

28.6 or 32mm seat tube? If 28.6, the 111 Campy or 110 Miche would
work. If it's a 32mm seat tube, use a 115. The UN-72 has a different
(JIS vs ISO) taper. Some say it works OK, but I wouldn't do it myself.
That's just me.

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What spindle length bb do I need for a campy veloce triple crank?
Frames is steel 853 reynolds. 111, 115? What is the longest spindle I
can use? I have a 115 UN72. I think that it will put the crankarms too
far out. Can I use a miche track bb?

Thanks,

Andres

Shortest bottom bracket spindle possible. The 111 mm for Veloce
triple crankset. I use the 111 AC-H or its lesser versions on a frame
with 32mm seattube. Centaur triple crank from 2002 or thereabouts.
Generally you can find these bottom brackets for about $20.

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Quoted post said:

What spindle length bb do I need for a campy veloce triple crank?
Frames is steel 853 reynolds. 111, 115? What is the longest spindle I
can use? I have a 115 UN72. I think that it will put the crankarms too
far out. Can I use a miche track bb?

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Shortest bottom bracket spindle possible. The 111 mm for Veloce
triple crankset. I use the 111 AC-H or its lesser versions on a frame
with 32mm seattube. Centaur triple crank from 2002 or thereabouts.
Generally you can find these bottom brackets for about $20.

110 Miche or 111 Campagnolo is right.

"Shortest" may lead to a 102 Record or 103 Tange; too short.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

110 Miche or 111 Campagnolo is right.

"Shortest" may lead to a 102 Record or 103 Tange; too short.

I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

Reason for posting: I'd read somewhere (maybe?) about an older Veloce
crank that required a different BB than the current items, so I
installed carefully, bewaring of "too short". It's on there at
suggested torque.

There are Athena BB's in 111 that use the Campy BB/cassette lock ring
tool, which might save a little lunch money over using an ACH and
needing the different flat BB wrench. --D-y

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I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S and
SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can adjust
your chainline however you want (within reason).

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I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S and
SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can adjust
your chainline however you want (within reason).

Campagnlo Athene (111mm) is shoulderless too, but isn't made anymore.

Hank said:

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I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S and
SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can adjust
your chainline however you want (within reason).

Those are listed by sellers (Branford for one) as "symmetrical".

There's a Branford quote (approx): "All modern Campy BB's have
symmetrical axles".

I don't know if that's true, but I'm not pretending to be an expert,
either.

I think you misread; "outboard of minimum" I meant to convey "it could
come maybe a mm closer".

There certainly is no misalignment there.

I'll try to be more precise in the future.

Including the fact that yeah, the Athena is shoulderless and so can be
moved some small amount if needed (which I did, IMS, when using a
fluteless "Super Record" track crank on my pista bike), another
advantage for that BB, besides being cheap (usually) when you can find
one. --D-y

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Hank said:

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I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S
and SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can
adjust your chainline however you want (within reason).

Those are listed by sellers (Branford for one) as "symmetrical".

There's a Branford quote (approx): "All modern Campy BB's have
symmetrical axles".

I don't know if that's true

It became untrue with the introduction of the Record and Chorus Triple
cranksets in 2002 that were designed for exclusive use with the assymetrical
Record and Chorus Triple 111mm BBs.

These were discontinued in 2007 and replaced with less-good triple stuff,
that again uses symmetrical 111mm or 115.5mm BBs.

You need to read your brochures, mate ;-)

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

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Hank said:

On Feb 8, 5:09 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

> I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
> SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S
and SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can
adjust your chainline however you want (within reason).

Quoted message said:

Those are listed by sellers (Branford for one) as "symmetrical".

Quoted message said:

There's a Branford quote (approx): "All modern Campy BB's have
symmetrical axles".

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I don't know if that's true

It became untrue with the introduction of the Record and Chorus Triple
cranksets in 2002 that were designed for exclusive use with the assymetrical
Record and Chorus Triple 111mm BBs.

These were discontinued in 2007 and replaced with less-good triple stuff,
that again uses symmetrical 111mm or 115.5mm BBs.

You need to read your brochures, mate ;-)

Google didn't seem to help on this one.

So, enlighten me, please-- or point the way to where the info is
presented?

All Campy Record, Chorus 111 BB's are non-symmetrical? Including C
Record cup/cone? And the Athena sealed? --D-y

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Pete Biggs said:

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Hank said:

On Feb 8, 5:09 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
> SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S
and SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can
adjust your chainline however you want (within reason).

Quoted message said:

Those are listed by sellers (Branford for one) as "symmetrical".

Quoted message said:

There's a Branford quote (approx): "All modern Campy BB's have
symmetrical axles".

Quoted message said:

I don't know if that's true

It became untrue with the introduction of the Record and Chorus Triple
cranksets in 2002 that were designed for exclusive use with the
assymetrical
Record and Chorus Triple 111mm BBs.

These were discontinued in 2007 and replaced with less-good triple stuff,
that again uses symmetrical 111mm or 115.5mm BBs.

You need to read your brochures, mate ;-)

Google didn't seem to help on this one.

So, enlighten me, please-- or point the way to where the info is
presented?

All Campy Record, Chorus 111 BB's are non-symmetrical? Including C
Record cup/cone? And the Athena sealed? --D-y

Athena 111 sealed is symmetrical

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Pete Biggs said:

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Hank said:

On Feb 8, 5:09 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
> SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S
and SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can
adjust your chainline however you want (within reason).

Quoted message said:

Those are listed by sellers (Branford for one) as "symmetrical".

Quoted message said:

There's a Branford quote (approx): "All modern Campy BB's have
symmetrical axles".

Quoted message said:

I don't know if that's true

It became untrue with the introduction of the Record and Chorus Triple
cranksets in 2002 that were designed for exclusive use with the

assymetrical

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Record and Chorus Triple 111mm BBs.

These were discontinued in 2007 and replaced with less-good triple

stuff,

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that again uses symmetrical 111mm or 115.5mm BBs.

You need to read your brochures, mate ;-)

Google didn't seem to help on this one.

So, enlighten me, please-- or point the way to where the info is
presented?

All Campy Record, Chorus 111 BB's are non-symmetrical? Including C
Record cup/cone? And the Athena sealed? --D-y

FYI - Here's a reference for pre 1987 Campy BBs (scroll to bottom):

http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/bottom.html

Chas.

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> "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
>> SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

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Hank <[email hidden]> wrote:
> That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S
> and SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can
> adjust your chainline however you want (within reason).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Those are listed by sellers (Branford for one) as "symmetrical".
There's a Branford quote (approx): "All modern Campy BB's have
symmetrical axles".
I don't know if that's true

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Pete Biggs said:

It became untrue with the introduction of the Record and Chorus Triple
cranksets in 2002 that were designed for exclusive use with the assymetrical
Record and Chorus Triple 111mm BBs.
These were discontinued in 2007 and replaced with less-good triple stuff,
that again uses symmetrical 111mm or 115.5mm BBs.
You need to read your brochures, mate ;-)

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Google didn't seem to help on this one.
So, enlighten me, please-- or point the way to where the info is
presented?
All Campy Record, Chorus 111 BB's are non-symmetrical? Including C
Record cup/cone? And the Athena sealed?

Athena are long gone, the 2002~2006 Chorus & Record Triple 111 are
asymmetric, 2007-up new Triples take symmetric spindles.

Pete's helpful comments seemed clear on those points.
When you quote 'all modern...' it applies to _last year and now_, not a
1992 Athena or 2003 Chorus Triple spindle.

Athena spanned loose ball and cartridge eras of various formats, as does
Record. "Are Chevys Red?"
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

Athena are long gone, the 2002~2006 Chorus & Record Triple 111 are
asymmetric, 2007-up new Triples take symmetric spindles.

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Pete's helpful comments seemed clear on those points.

Indeed. I was wondering about Pista. Pista 111 (sealed or cup/cone
with the C on the axle), Symmetrical, or non?

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When you quote 'all modern...' it applies to _last year and now_, not a
1992 Athena or 2003 Chorus Triple spindle.

Depends on when "modern" started. Post Nuovo Record? That's why I
asked.

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Athena spanned loose ball and cartridge eras of various formats, as does
Record. "Are Chevys Red?"

Athena BB's come along now and then, why I mentioned them, and sealed
using the BB/cass. spline tool.

Ebay list w/TinyURL shortening, for a cup/cone unit:

http://tinyurl.com/2npaxf

Cheap so far <g>. Used. "Any port in a storm", especially when the
price is right. For something that really works, of course.

Fords are red <http://tinyurl.com/2jyckl>

Chevys are green <http://tinyurl.com/2zuo8p>

Thanks for the help, appreciated.

One more, please: Are there two BB lengths needed for different years
of Veloce cranks, double or triple? --D-y

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Pete Biggs said:

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On Feb 8, 9:57 am, Hank <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:09 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:

Quoted message said:

>> I have a Valachi triple on a Record 111 BB, on a '92-ish Tommasini
>> SLX. The inner chainring is maybe a little outboard of minimum.

Quoted message said:

> That's because the Record 111 is asymmetrical. Centaur, AC-H, AC-S
> and SC-S are symmetrical. The Miche is shoulderless, so you can
> adjust your chainline however you want (within reason).

Quoted message said:

Those are listed by sellers (Branford for one) as "symmetrical".

Quoted message said:

There's a Branford quote (approx): "All modern Campy BB's have
symmetrical axles".

Quoted message said:

I don't know if that's true

It became untrue with the introduction of the Record and Chorus
Triple cranksets in 2002 that were designed for exclusive use with
the assymetrical Record and Chorus Triple 111mm BBs.

These were discontinued in 2007 and replaced with less-good triple
stuff, that again uses symmetrical 111mm or 115.5mm BBs.

You need to read your brochures, mate ;-)

Google didn't seem to help on this one.

So, enlighten me, please-- or point the way to where the info is
presented?

As well as from memory (I remeber because I have a Record Triple crankset &
BB myself), I looked up the official printed brochures aka catalogs (from
2000) that I have at home.

Sorry I don't know where this info is online at the moment. Unfortunately
Campag only have the current year's full brochure on their website. They do
have "Spare Parts" info for previous years - but that doesn't contain all
the info from the brochures.

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All Campy Record, Chorus 111 BB's are non-symmetrical?

Certainly from 2000 onwards. I'm not so sure about the older stuff.

2000+ Record and Chorus *double* cranksets used 102mm BBs.

The 2000 and 2001 Record *triple* group (with Racing Triple crankset) did
include a symmetrical 111 or 115.5mm BB. There could be confusion because
some people may have incorrectly called this BB a "Record" - but its proper
name was AC-H. There were also the cheaper SC-H and SC-S options. These
were all symmetrical - and designed for use with various cranksets, not just
Record - hence why none of them should be called "Record".

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Including C Record cup/cone? And the Athena sealed? --D-y

I have a feeling some of the ancient cup/cone ones were asymmetrical - but
my knowledge is vague on these. I suspect the "Athena" was actually an AC-H
or SC-H or SC-S.

~PB