bodz

cheapfish said:

hayall!!!

now i know this must be some serious sports group but anyway i was thinking if someone could tell
me how to swim to get this great muscular well defined body. since i´m gay and looking great is
part of the job i´m wondering if someone could give me advice?

Swim 6000 meters six days per week for the next ten years.

martin

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Swim 6000 meters six days per week for the next ten years.

martin

Martin, I once again can not agree with you here. There are people out there that gain muscle very
easy. I know....I am one of them. Swimming has already made some slight changes in my body in a
few months mostly in shoulders, back and chest. Sure it would be faster to change your body by
lifting weights, but I prefer to swim for the style of workout. I have lifted enough and want a
change. As for muscle gain in general your answer would be very wrong. Let say you did get up to
6000 meters a day for 6 days a week. Once you have reached doing that and your body gets used to
it, the gains will be very little if at all from then on. You body gains muscle or changes when
you make it work harder, hence it will grow to adjust to what you are throwing at it. It is a very
simple concept. I know people on here would get tired of the question....how do I get a swimmers
body. Lets face it, real swimmers have awesome bodies. If you really want one, I suggest you swim
and lift. This will get you there as long as you are not fat. It you are fat, then you will need
to do something about that. Running will take the weight off faster than swimming in my experience
and some sort of diet plan.

The bottom line is people can get the swimmers build. The problem is it is very hard work to get it.
Combining lifting, cardio and swimming is my plan to do it and I know my body well enough to know it
will work. I have been training on and off for many years. You need to know your body and the first
step to know it is to work it. I will say I am just looking to cut up. I have enough muscle under
the layer of fat I am carrying.

Martin, I like your updates on your Atkins journey. I am looking to lose 5-10 pound over the next
few months and will use the Atkins approach. It is hard to lose that last bit of weight it seems.

Enjoy, Curt

curt said:

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Swim 6000 meters six days per week for the next ten years.

martin

Martin, I once again can not agree with you here. There are people out there that gain muscle very
easy. I know....I am one of them. Swimming has already made some slight changes in my body in a
few months mostly in shoulders, back and chest. Sure it would be faster to change your body by
lifting weights, but I prefer to swim for the style of workout. I have lifted enough and want a
change. As for muscle gain in general your answer would be very wrong. Let say you did get up to
6000 meters a day for 6 days a week. Once you have reached doing that and your body gets used to
it, the gains will be very little if at all from then on.

I should have explained that once you get used to doing 6k 6 days a week, you do it faster. Swimmers
who have the swimmer's build didn't just get used to doing a distance, they kept doing it faster.
Look, the guy doesn't have swimmer's build, and he is an adult. Every swimmer I know, all of them
without exception, who has the swimmers build, got by being in heavy training for competitive
swimming for at least ten years. If you, starting from a completely non-swimmer's build can develop
the build of an elite swimmer by swimming, and you can do it in less than ten years, knock yourself
out. You will be the one guy of all the swimmers I know who did it.

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You body gains muscle or changes when you make it work harder, hence it will grow to adjust to
what you are throwing at it. It is a very simple concept. I know people on here would get tired of
the question....how do I get a swimmers body. Lets face it, real swimmers have awesome bodies. If
you really want one, I suggest you swim and lift. This will get you there as long as you are not
fat. It you are fat, then you will need to do something about that. Running will take the weight
off faster than swimming in my experience and some sort of diet plan.

The bottom line is people can get the swimmers build. The problem is it is very hard work to get
it. Combining lifting, cardio and swimming is my plan to do it and I know my body well enough to
know it will work. I have been training on and off for many years. You need to know your body and
the first step to know it is to work it. I will say I am just looking to cut up. I have enough
muscle under the layer of fat I am carrying.

Martin, I like your updates on your Atkins journey. I am looking to lose 5-10 pound over the next
few months and will use the Atkins approach. It is hard to lose that last bit of weight it seems.

It is, and you will lose 5-10 lbs quickly on Atkins, but it will be all water at first, so you have
to actually lose more than that to lock in the actual weight loss. But with a good exercise schedule
you shouldn't have any problem losing that weight. I say be careful, though. This approach to losing
weight is powerful, and you can get into trouble if you don't pay attention.

martin

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curt said:

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Swim 6000 meters six days per week for the next ten years.

martin

Martin, I once again can not agree with you here. There are people out there that gain muscle
very easy. I know....I am one of them. Swimming

has

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already made some slight changes in my body in a few months mostly in shoulders, back and chest.
Sure it would be faster to change your body

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lifting weights, but I prefer to swim for the style of workout. I have lifted enough and want a
change. As for muscle gain in general your

answer

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would be very wrong. Let say you did get up to 6000 meters a day for 6

days

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a week. Once you have reached doing that and your body gets used to it,

the

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gains will be very little if at all from then on.

I should have explained that once you get used to doing 6k 6 days a week, you do it faster.
Swimmers who have the swimmer's build didn't just get used to doing a distance, they kept doing it
faster. Look, the guy doesn't have swimmer's build, and he is an adult. Every swimmer I know, all
of them without exception, who has the swimmers build, got by being in heavy training for
competitive swimming for at least ten years. If you, starting from a completely non-swimmer's
build can develop the build of an elite swimmer by swimming, and you can do it in less than ten
years, knock yourself out. You will be the one guy of all the swimmers I know who did it.

You know, you are correct. I was looking at it through my eyes and what it would take for myself. I
have been working out in some form all my life (I'm 37) and I think I can get a swimmers build just
by cutting up. If you lift hard and try, I think you can certainly do it in less than 10 years. Big
gains can be made in a year and if you build on that you can get pretty muscular. I know of plenty
of examples of guys that have hardly any muscle and start lifting and really grow. Strangly, if you
lift weights and want to get something like a swimmers build, you could probably get if faster by
lifting and not swim at all.

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You body gains muscle or changes when you make it work harder, hence it will grow to adjust to

what

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you are throwing at it. It is a very simple concept. I know people on

here

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would get tired of the question....how do I get a swimmers body. Lets

face

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it, real swimmers have awesome bodies. If you really want one, I

suggest

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you swim and lift. This will get you there as long as you are not fat.

It

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you are fat, then you will need to do something about that. Running

will

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take the weight off faster than swimming in my experience and some sort

of

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diet plan.

The bottom line is people can get the swimmers build. The problem is it

is

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very hard work to get it. Combining lifting, cardio and swimming is my

plan

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to do it and I know my body well enough to know it will work. I have

been

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training on and off for many years. You need to know your body and the first step to know it is
to work it. I will say I am just looking to

cut

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up. I have enough muscle under the layer of fat I am carrying.

Martin, I like your updates on your Atkins journey. I am looking to

lose

Quoted message said:

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5-10 pound over the next few months and will use the Atkins approach.

It is

Quoted message said:

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hard to lose that last bit of weight it seems.

It is, and you will lose 5-10 lbs quickly on Atkins, but it will be all water at first, so you
have to actually lose more than that to lock in the actual weight loss. But with a good exercise
schedule you shouldn't have any problem losing that weight. I say be careful, though. This
approach to losing weight is powerful, and you can get into trouble if you don't pay attention.

martin

Martin, if you remember, I told you about the low carb NG. I have been on and off Atkins a few
times. I have been off the diet for a few months due to a death in my family. I am going to get back
into it now and get down my 5 or so pounds.

Keep up the good work and keep us informed on how things are going.

Curt

curt said:

I was looking at it through my eyes and what it would take for myself. I have been working out in
some form all my life (I'm 37) and I think I can get a swimmers build just by cutting up. If you
lift hard and try, I think you can certainly do it in less than 10 years. Big gains can be made in
a year and if you build on that you can get pretty muscular. I know of plenty of examples of guys
that have hardly any muscle and start lifting and really grow. Strangly, if you lift weights and
want to get something like a swimmers build, you could probably get if faster by lifting and not
swim at all.

The problem I see with doing this by weight lifting is that we are talking about different kinds of
muscle. The light-weight body builders I have seen don't look like swimmers. They look wirey. Male
swimmers are lean, but not wirey. Swimmer muscles are long and rubber band-like, as opposed to
knotty and/or bulky. Swimming muscle is built for burning a lot of energy over an extended time,
where weight lifting muscle is built for burning all that energy in a very short time. Also,
swimming tends to develop the body all over, because the action of swimming uses lots of muscles all
together, thousands of times per day. Weight lifting tends to isolate development to certain
muscles, and they usually aren't the same ones. Swimmers have over developed triceps, for example,
where weight lifters always have big biceps. Swimmers don't have big biceps. Swimmers don't have big
legs. Weight lifters usually do.

You can certainly develop a good physique in less than ten years weight lifting, but the two
physiques don't look the same to me. I still think lung capacity is part of it, too, and I don't
think you can increase that after your growth spurt. Aerobic capacity is what you can increase
anytime, but that isn't done by increasing volume but by increasing throughput.

martin

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curt said:

I was looking at it through my eyes and what it would take for myself. I have been working out
in some form all my life (I'm 37) and I think I can get a swimmers build just by cutting up. If

you

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lift hard and try, I think you can certainly do it in less than 10

years.

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Big gains can be made in a year and if you build on that you can get

pretty

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muscular. I know of plenty of examples of guys that have hardly any

muscle

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and start lifting and really grow. Strangly, if you lift weights and

want

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to get something like a swimmers build, you could probably get if faster

by

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lifting and not swim at all.

The problem I see with doing this by weight lifting is that we are talking about different kinds
of muscle. The light-weight body builders I have seen don't look like swimmers. They look wirey.
Male swimmers are lean, but not wirey. Swimmer muscles are long and rubber band-like, as opposed
to knotty and/or bulky. Swimming muscle is built for burning a lot of energy over an extended
time, where weight lifting muscle is built for burning all that energy in a very short time. Also,
swimming tends to develop the body all over, because the action of swimming uses lots of muscles
all together, thousands of times per day. Weight lifting tends to isolate development to certain
muscles, and they usually aren't the same ones. Swimmers have over developed triceps, for example,
where weight lifters always have big biceps. Swimmers don't have big biceps. Swimmers don't have
big legs. Weight lifters usually do.

Keep in mind usually weight lifters are not going for a swimmers build. They want the big biceps and
bulk. You can lift long slow and high reps and achieve a similar build. It is boring to do, but I
feel it can work. You can lift your whole body while lifting, just like swimming. Swimmers do tend
to be a bit smoother though and I would agree there. They seem to have just a little layer of fat
over the muscles. I am not sure if it is because the water is cooler than the air, so the body keeps
just a little layer for thermo or what. I suspect that is the case, but I never heard anyone ever
mention it.

JMHO.

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You can certainly develop a good physique in less than ten years weight lifting, but the two
physiques don't look the same to me. I still think lung capacity is part of it, too, and I don't
think you can increase that after your growth spurt. Aerobic capacity is what you can increase
anytime, but that isn't done by increasing volume but by increasing throughput.

I would have to disagree with lung capacity. I took up the bagpipe at the age of 31 and it sure
seems like my lung capacity has increased. Don't underestimate the human body. There are 80+ year
olds at the gym gaining muscle. You don't have to be a kid to change your body. They do adjust to
what you through at it. Not as fast as a kid, but if you are diligent it will change. I have seen
this with my own eyes with couple of guys over
80. It is pretty cool.

Curt

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martin

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