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  1. I've managed to lose 35 lbs. so far over 4 months, but have been stuck
    now for 3 weeks. The only thing that has changed has been my stoopid
    work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
    graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
    drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the time and
    cannot concentrate very well.

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    And no, I'm not going to change jobs. I have too much to lose after
    having been there for 18 years. :-P

    The situation is temporary until they find someone to replace the full
    time night shift person they lost, but it's going to be at least another
    3 months. This really sucks!

    TIA!!!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  2. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've managed to lose 35 lbs. so far over 4 months, but have been stuck
    now for 3 weeks. The only thing that has changed has been my stoopid
    work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
    graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
    drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the time
    and
    cannot concentrate very well.

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    And no, I'm not going to change jobs. I have too much to lose after
    having been there for 18 years. :-P

    The situation is temporary until they find someone to replace the full
    time night shift person they lost, but it's going to be at least
    another
    3 months. This really sucks!

    In your situation, I'd be content to remain at your current, lower
    weight, ride out the storm, and resume trying to lose weight once your
    schedule gets back to normal. 35 lbs. is a significant accomplish -
    bravo to you for doing it.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've managed to lose 35 lbs. so far over 4 months, but have been stuck
    now for 3 weeks. The only thing that has changed has been my stoopid
    work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
    graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
    drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the time
    and
    cannot concentrate very well.

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    And no, I'm not going to change jobs. I have too much to lose after
    having been there for 18 years. :-P

    The situation is temporary until they find someone to replace the full
    time night shift person they lost, but it's going to be at least
    another
    3 months. This really sucks!

    In your situation, I'd be content to remain at your current, lower
    weight, ride out the storm, and resume trying to lose weight once your
    schedule gets back to normal. 35 lbs. is a significant accomplish -
    bravo to you for doing it.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for the compliment... ;-)
    I have quite a ways to go tho'.
    That's why I'm so very annoyed!

    At least I am not gaining any back...
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  4. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've managed to lose 35 lbs. so far over 4 months, but have been
    stuck
    now for 3 weeks. The only thing that has changed has been my
    stoopid
    work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
    graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
    drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the
    time
    and
    cannot concentrate very well.

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a
    likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    And no, I'm not going to change jobs. I have too much to lose after
    having been there for 18 years. :-P

    The situation is temporary until they find someone to replace the
    full
    time night shift person they lost, but it's going to be at least
    another
    3 months. This really sucks!

    In your situation, I'd be content to remain at your current, lower
    weight, ride out the storm, and resume trying to lose weight once
    your
    schedule gets back to normal. 35 lbs. is a significant accomplish -
    bravo to you for doing it.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for the compliment... ;-)
    I have quite a ways to go tho'.
    That's why I'm so very annoyed!

    At least I am not gaining any back...

    I remember a runners book that talked the "triangle" of exercise, work,
    and personal life - you have [censored] amount of time and energy to put into
    all three together, and if one requires more, you either back off on the
    other two or you just get sick or blow up in some other way. I try to
    keep that in mind, e.g., my parents just moved to my town and they're
    old and in need of a lot of my time, so I'm just trying to cut myself
    some slack on my training - what else can you do, right?

    Anyway, I think anyone who turns their life around, and losing that much
    weight is a siginificant thing, deserves congratulations.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
    Nicholson

  5. "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > I've managed to lose 35 lbs. so far over 4 months, but have been
    > stuck
    > now for 3 weeks. The only thing that has changed has been my
    > stoopid
    > work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
    > graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
    > drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the
    > time
    > and
    > cannot concentrate very well.
    >
    > I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a
    > likely
    > increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.
    >
    > Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????
    >
    > And no, I'm not going to change jobs. I have too much to lose after
    > having been there for 18 years. :-P
    >
    > The situation is temporary until they find someone to replace the
    > full
    > time night shift person they lost, but it's going to be at least
    > another
    > 3 months. This really sucks!

    In your situation, I'd be content to remain at your current, lower
    weight, ride out the storm, and resume trying to lose weight once
    your
    schedule gets back to normal. 35 lbs. is a significant accomplish -
    bravo to you for doing it.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for the compliment... ;-)
    I have quite a ways to go tho'.
    That's why I'm so very annoyed!

    At least I am not gaining any back...

    I remember a runners book that talked the "triangle" of exercise, work,
    and personal life - you have [censored] amount of time and energy to put into
    all three together, and if one requires more, you either back off on the
    other two or you just get sick or blow up in some other way. I try to
    keep that in mind, e.g., my parents just moved to my town and they're
    old and in need of a lot of my time, so I'm just trying to cut myself
    some slack on my training - what else can you do, right?

    Anyway, I think anyone who turns their life around, and losing that much
    weight is a siginificant thing, deserves congratulations.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
    Nicholson

    Steve, I agree with you totally - anyone who is determined and persists at
    toning up - congrats, you deserve it mate

  6. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would be
    Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
    http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I've managed to lose 35 lbs. so far over 4 months, but have been stuck
    now for 3 weeks. The only thing that has changed has been my stoopid
    work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
    graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
    drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the time and
    cannot concentrate very well.

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    There are some supplements that will help reduce the levels of
    cortisol.

    Make sure you're getting _enough_ sleep, even if it isn't as regular
    as it should be.

    I recently found (after being told) that 15 minutes of what is
    essentially a lower-leg elevated corpse posture (from Yoga) done
    immediately before sleeping lets me drop into sleep quickly and is
    worth about 1.5 hours of sleep.

    Seth
    --
    Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mr-Natural-Health said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would be
    Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
    http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

    BS.Dont get your info from a site selling the product. Most studies fidn
    ginseng either has no effects on cortisol and some find it raises it! At
    best, you have conflicting data, at worst, you have increased cortisol.
    For example:

    J Strength Cond Res. 2002 May;16(2):179-83. Related Articles, Links

    Effects of ginseng ingestion on growth hormone, testosterone, cortisol,
    and insulin-like growth factor 1 responses to acute resistance exercise.
    Youl Kang H, Hwan Kim S, Jun Lee W, Byrne HK.
    Department of Physical Education, Kyungpook National University, Taegu,
    702-701, Korea.
    Ginseng, an herbal plant, has been ingested by many athletes in Oriental
    regions of the world in order to improve stamina and to facilitate rapid
    recovery from injuries. However, adequate investigation has not been
    conducted to examine the ergogenic effects of ginseng. To examine the
    effects of ginseng supplements on hormonal status following acute
    resistance exercise, eight male college students were randomly given
    water (control; CON) or 20 g of ginseng root extract (GIN) treatment
    immediately after a standardized exercise bout. Venous blood samples
    were drawn before and immediately after exercise and at 4 time points
    during a 2-hour recovery period. Human growth hormone, testosterone,
    cortisol, and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) levels were
    determined by radioimmunoassay. The responses of plasma hormones
    following ginseng consumption were not significant between CON and GIN
    treatments during the 2-hour recovery period. These results do not
    support the use of ginseng to promote an anabolic hormonal status
    following resistance exercise.

    or

    Life Sci. 2001 Dec 14;70(4):431-42. Related Articles, Links

    The effects of Eleutherococcus senticosus and Panax ginseng on steroidal
    hormone indices of stress and lymphocyte subset numbers in endurance
    athletes.
    Gaffney BT, Hugel HM, Rich PA.
    School of Nursing. Faculty of Nursing and Health, Griffith University,
    Meadowbrook, Queensland, Australia. [email hidden]
    A clinical trial was undertaken to investigate the effects of
    Eleutherococcus senticosus (ES) and Panax ginseng (PG) on competitive
    club-level endurance athletes engaged in their normal in-season
    training. Participants were matched for training stress and received a
    33% ethanolic extract (8 mL/day) containing either ES, PG (equivalent to
    4 g and 2 g/day of dried root, respectively), or a placebo. A pre-test
    and post-test were used to evaluate the effects of six weeks of
    supplementation on cortisol, testosterone, and testosterone to cortisol
    ratio (TCR) as well as circulating numbers of total T-cells, T-helper
    cells (CD4), T-suppressor cells (CD8), CD4 to CD8 ratio, natural killer
    cells, and B lymphocytes. None of the immune system variables changed
    significantly nor showed any clear trend from pre to post test in any of
    the treatment groups. No significant change in testosterone, cortisol or
    TCR was observed in the PG group. In the ES group, however, TCR
    decreased by 28.7% from 0.0464 to 0.0331 (P=0.03). The main contribution
    to this decrease appeared to be a non-significant (P= 0.07) 31% trend
    towards increased cortisol rather than a very small non-significant (P =
    0.36) 7% decrease in the calculated mean for testosterone. This result
    suggested that contrary to initial expectation, ES increased rather than
    decreased hormonal indices of stress, which may be consistent with
    animal research suggesting a threshold of stress below which ES
    increases the stress response and above which ES decreases the stress
    response.

    --
    Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

  9. "WillBrink" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Mr-Natural-Health said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would be
    Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
    http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

    BS.Dont get your info from a site selling the product. Most studies fidn
    ginseng either has no effects on cortisol and some find it raises it! At
    best, you have conflicting data, at worst, you have increased cortisol.

    John "Sci.Med Whacko" Gohde, who put the nut into nutrition, got it wrong?
    Who wudda' thunk it?

    David

  10. Mr-Natural-Health said:


    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would be
    Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
    http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html


    instead of just accepting this unscientific diagnosis of
    cortisol stuff, isn't it more likely that due to being
    tired all-of-the-time, the poster is simply sitting or
    sleeping more? thereby using way-less calories.
    ....thehick

  11. WillBrink wrote:

    Ha, ...Hah, Ha!

    WillBrink is a muscle bound jock who does not have a clue about
    science.

    Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. 🙂

    Stick to MFW and somebody might actually believe you.

    No one study is definitive on anything, or scientifically proves
    anything. If anything, the studies you posted were taken out of context
    of the word games that they and WillBrink were playing.

    If you think that I am going to put any more effort into proving the
    value of a quickfix so that some twit can continue an unhealthy
    lifestyle, then you are truly nuts. 🙂

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mr-Natural-Health said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would be
    Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
    http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

    Oh really?!?!?

    I can get the bottles of liquid Red Ginseng extract at the local
    Oriental market. 10 ml. bottles, doses of 4,800 mg. 30 vials at $6.00
    per box.

    I'll check that link (thanks!) but do you think that would work?

    1 or 2 vials per day, empty stomach or with meals?
    I've never experimented with Ginseng before...
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Seth Breidbart) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I've managed to lose 35 lbs. so far over 4 months, but have been stuck
    now for 3 weeks. The only thing that has changed has been my stoopid
    work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
    graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
    drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the time and
    cannot concentrate very well.

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    There are some supplements that will help reduce the levels of
    cortisol.

    Make sure you're getting _enough_ sleep, even if it isn't as regular
    as it should be.

    I try...
    Melatonin helps with that a lot.

    Quoted message said:


    I recently found (after being told) that 15 minutes of what is
    essentially a lower-leg elevated corpse posture (from Yoga) done
    immediately before sleeping lets me drop into sleep quickly and is
    worth about 1.5 hours of sleep.

    Seth

    Hmmmmm... Have not been into Yoga for ages other than using a few
    postures for stretching.

    I'll look that one up and give it a shot.

    Thank you!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,
    WillBrink <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snipped for brevity>

    Quoted message said:


    Life Sci. 2001 Dec 14;70(4):431-42. Related Articles, Links

    The effects of Eleutherococcus senticosus and Panax ginseng on steroidal
    hormone indices of stress and lymphocyte subset numbers in endurance
    athletes.
    Gaffney BT, Hugel HM, Rich PA.
    School of Nursing. Faculty of Nursing and Health, Griffith University,
    Meadowbrook, Queensland, Australia. [email hidden]
    A clinical trial was undertaken to investigate the effects of
    Eleutherococcus senticosus (ES) and Panax ginseng (PG) on competitive
    club-level endurance athletes engaged in their normal in-season
    training. Participants were matched for training stress and received a
    33% ethanolic extract (8 mL/day) containing either ES, PG (equivalent to
    4 g and 2 g/day of dried root, respectively), or a placebo. A pre-test
    and post-test were used to evaluate the effects of six weeks of
    supplementation on cortisol, testosterone, and testosterone to cortisol
    ratio (TCR) as well as circulating numbers of total T-cells, T-helper
    cells (CD4), T-suppressor cells (CD8), CD4 to CD8 ratio, natural killer
    cells, and B lymphocytes. None of the immune system variables changed
    significantly nor showed any clear trend from pre to post test in any of
    the treatment groups. No significant change in testosterone, cortisol or
    TCR was observed in the PG group. In the ES group, however, TCR
    decreased by 28.7% from 0.0464 to 0.0331 (P=0.03). The main contribution
    to this decrease appeared to be a non-significant (P= 0.07) 31% trend
    towards increased cortisol rather than a very small non-significant (P =
    0.36) 7% decrease in the calculated mean for testosterone. This result
    suggested that contrary to initial expectation, ES increased rather than
    decreased hormonal indices of stress, which may be consistent with
    animal research suggesting a threshold of stress below which ES
    increases the stress response and above which ES decreases the stress
    response.

    Good grief!
    That LAST thing I need is an _increase_ in cortisol levels! :-P

    What about some of the cortisol blockers being sold by some of the
    bodybuilding supplement companies? I've never seriously investigated
    those.

    Thanks!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David Cohen said:

    "WillBrink" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Mr-Natural-Health said:

    OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

    > I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    > increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.
    >
    > Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would be
    Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
    http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

    BS.Dont get your info from a site selling the product. Most studies fidn
    ginseng either has no effects on cortisol and some find it raises it! At
    best, you have conflicting data, at worst, you have increased cortisol.

    John "Sci.Med Whacko" Gohde, who put the nut into nutrition, got it wrong?
    Who wudda' thunk it?

    David

    Oops! I'd not been on that list for a very long time...

    Did not realize he had morphed. ;-)
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank-in-toronto said:
    Mr-Natural-Health said:


    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a likely
    increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

    Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

    The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would be
    Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
    http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html


    instead of just accepting this unscientific diagnosis of
    cortisol stuff, isn't it more likely that due to being
    tired all-of-the-time, the poster is simply sitting or
    sleeping more? thereby using way-less calories.
    ...thehick

    Actually, you got it backwards. ;-)
    I'm not sleeping as much or enough except for the occasional day off.

    Adderall XR prescribed by my doctor keeps me on my feet and I have to
    watch the timing VERY carefully so it does not interfere with sleep. I
    can only sleep for 6 hours it seems no matter what I do, and I often
    wake at 2 and 3 hour intervals.

    That particular drug also keeps me awake on the freeway during my
    commute to and from work...
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mr-Natural-Health said:

    WillBrink wrote:

    Ha, ...Hah, Ha!

    WillBrink is a muscle bound jock who does not have a clue about
    science.

    Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. 🙂

    Stick to MFW and somebody might actually believe you.

    No one study is definitive on anything, or scientifically proves
    anything. If anything, the studies you posted were taken out of context
    of the word games that they and WillBrink were playing.

    If you think that I am going to put any more effort into proving the
    value of a quickfix so that some twit can continue an unhealthy
    lifestyle, then you are truly nuts. 🙂

    Some people have no choice in an "unhealthy lifestyle".
    Gainful, long term employment is too valuable with the benefits that go
    along with it.

    Besides, I'm not the only one getting screwed. 4 of my co-workers are
    being done this way as well.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    WillBrink <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snipped for brevity>

    Quoted message said:


    Life Sci. 2001 Dec 14;70(4):431-42. Related Articles, Links

    The effects of Eleutherococcus senticosus and Panax ginseng on steroidal
    hormone indices of stress and lymphocyte subset numbers in endurance
    athletes.
    Gaffney BT, Hugel HM, Rich PA.
    School of Nursing. Faculty of Nursing and Health, Griffith University,
    Meadowbrook, Queensland, Australia. [email hidden]
    A clinical trial was undertaken to investigate the effects of
    Eleutherococcus senticosus (ES) and Panax ginseng (PG) on competitive
    club-level endurance athletes engaged in their normal in-season
    training. Participants were matched for training stress and received a
    33% ethanolic extract (8 mL/day) containing either ES, PG (equivalent to
    4 g and 2 g/day of dried root, respectively), or a placebo. A pre-test
    and post-test were used to evaluate the effects of six weeks of
    supplementation on cortisol, testosterone, and testosterone to cortisol
    ratio (TCR) as well as circulating numbers of total T-cells, T-helper
    cells (CD4), T-suppressor cells (CD8), CD4 to CD8 ratio, natural killer
    cells, and B lymphocytes. None of the immune system variables changed
    significantly nor showed any clear trend from pre to post test in any of
    the treatment groups. No significant change in testosterone, cortisol or
    TCR was observed in the PG group. In the ES group, however, TCR
    decreased by 28.7% from 0.0464 to 0.0331 (P=0.03). The main contribution
    to this decrease appeared to be a non-significant (P= 0.07) 31% trend
    towards increased cortisol rather than a very small non-significant (P =
    0.36) 7% decrease in the calculated mean for testosterone. This result
    suggested that contrary to initial expectation, ES increased rather than
    decreased hormonal indices of stress, which may be consistent with
    animal research suggesting a threshold of stress below which ES
    increases the stress response and above which ES decreases the stress
    response.

    Good grief!
    That LAST thing I need is an _increase_ in cortisol levels! :-P

    What about some of the cortisol blockers being sold by some of the
    bodybuilding supplement companies? I've never seriously investigated
    those.

    Which one's???

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks!

    --
    Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mr-Natural-Health said:

    WillBrink wrote:

    Ha, ...Hah, Ha!

    WillBrink is a muscle bound jock who does not have a clue about
    science.

    Really? 3 years of chemistry and other sciences and I know nothing?
    Interesting. And your science background is what again? Got any teeth
    left in your head John?

    --
    Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    WillBrink said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:


    Good grief!
    That LAST thing I need is an _increase_ in cortisol levels! :-P

    What about some of the cortisol blockers being sold by some of the
    bodybuilding supplement companies? I've never seriously investigated
    those.

    Which one's???

    Since I've never investigated any of them, I don't have any brand names
    memorized at the moment. I just peruse articles and ads for supplements
    when I read "Muscular Development" It's the only BB rag I subscribe to.

    I'm VERY cautious in investing in supplements! They are expensive and
    can be a waste of money without proper research.

    Right now, all I take is a good multi (Solgar brand VM-750), a double
    dose of "Now" brand multiminerals, Nature's way trace minerals, extra
    vitamin E, C, A&D, and a lot of extra Twinlabs Magnesium since I have
    trouble retaining it, (Doc says I have a genetic renal tubule defect
    which causes me to lose magnesium at an abnormal rate), DHEA at 100 mg.
    per day, Melatonin at night as a sleep aid, and prescriptions are
    Thyroid Armour (or Thyrolar when we can get it!), Metformin, 2,000 mg.
    per day, Adderall XR once per day (and I don't always take it on my days
    off as I'm not really overly fond of Amphetamines) and that's pretty
    much it.

    Probably plenty IMHO? <G>

    If you know of some brands or supplements, I'd appreciate some advice.
    I'll also peruse your website again and see if you have any info. there?
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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