Black soybeans

Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger said:

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Quoted message said:

Just checking - To you fava beans are also not food, right?

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Quoted message said:

Black and yellow soybeans are the same breed, different variety. They
are both soybeans.

Quoted message said:

Breed equals variety. "Same breed, different variety" is
equivalent to writing "same variety, different variety".

All varieties of oranges are oranges. All varieties of apples are
apples.

Therefore blood oranges are valencia oranges are bitter oranges.
And crab apples are pippin apples are golden delicious apples.
Got it. And they all have the same carb counts, and the same
phyto-toxins and so on. Well, at least I get one of the points
in there.

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All varieties of soybeans are soybeans.

All varieties of grain are grass. All varieties of tree are
tree (except palms. They are giant mutant Q-tips). In the
end playing this sort of word game removes the meaning from as
many words as you like.

Black soybeans have some differences from the more common
types as well as plenty of similarities.

I'm all smiles. I'm enjoying this thread, thank you everyone. I have
another question, but I'll hold it until this thread peters out.

So far, I've only done vegetarian chili (basically black soybeans
simmered with 'fake beef' and a mess of veggies and spices), and 'lower
carb' burritos (yes, I know a tortilla is not low carb, no matter what
you make it out of). I am planning a jack-cheese and black bean omelet
soon.

Also, I don't worry about the phytoestrogens in the soy. If it kills me
or gives me breasts or a high squeaky voice or something, so be it.

258/215/200
Started LC 4/27/05

Doug Freyburger said:

Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger said:

[email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Just checking - To you fava beans are also not food, right?

Quoted message said:

> Black and yellow soybeans are the same breed, different variety. They
> are both soybeans.

Quoted message said:

Breed equals variety. "Same breed, different variety" is
equivalent to writing "same variety, different variety".

All varieties of oranges are oranges. All varieties of apples are
apples.

Therefore blood oranges are valencia oranges are bitter oranges.
And crab apples are pippin apples are golden delicious apples.
Got it. And they all have the same carb counts, and the same
phyto-toxins and so on. Well, at least I get one of the points
in there.

Quoted message said:

All varieties of soybeans are soybeans.

All varieties of grain are grass. All varieties of tree are
tree (except palms. They are giant mutant Q-tips). In the
end playing this sort of word game removes the meaning from as
many words as you like.

Black soybeans have some differences from the more common
types as well as plenty of similarities.

Doug Freyburger said:

Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger said:

[email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Just checking - To you fava beans are also not food, right?

Quoted message said:

> Black and yellow soybeans are the same breed, different variety. They
> are both soybeans.

Quoted message said:

Breed equals variety. "Same breed, different variety" is
equivalent to writing "same variety, different variety".

All varieties of oranges are oranges. All varieties of apples are
apples.

Therefore blood oranges are valencia oranges are bitter oranges.
And crab apples are pippin apples are golden delicious apples.
Got it. And they all have the same carb counts, and the same
phyto-toxins and so on. Well, at least I get one of the points
in there.

You are a complete ass. And functionally illiterate if that is your
interpretation of what is a very simple concept.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All varieties of soybeans are soybeans.

All varieties of grain are grass. All varieties of tree are
tree (except palms. They are giant mutant Q-tips). In the
end playing this sort of word game removes the meaning from as
many words as you like.

Again, you are an idiot if that is how you interpret that.

Quoted message said:

Black soybeans have some differences from the more common
types as well as plenty of similarities.

Very minor differences, as far as the nutritional content is concerned.

TC

Quoted message said:

I'm all smiles. I'm enjoying this thread, thank you everyone. I have
another question, but I'll hold it until this thread peters out.

So far, I've only done vegetarian chili (basically black soybeans
simmered with 'fake beef' and a mess of veggies and spices), and 'lower
carb' burritos (yes, I know a tortilla is not low carb, no matter what
you make it out of). I am planning a jack-cheese and black bean omelet
soon.

Also, I don't worry about the phytoestrogens in the soy. If it kills me
or gives me breasts or a high squeaky voice or something, so be it.

It'll do a lot worse to you. It'll destroy the function of your thyroid
gland.

TC

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

"Black soy beans are _low_ carb.
That's the entire point of posting them on this list.
I'd suggest you read their breakdown."

Om,

I'm with you on this one. I study & read the articles &
read labels very very carefully. It was this group's thread
about black soybeans a long while ago that got me looking
for them as a nice change from eating no black beans,
navy beans, white soybeans, etc., thanks to having
diabetes type 2 & wanting to control it very well while
still missing those protein-packed beans.

Ditto here. :-)
I credit Pastorio with being the _first_ one to turn me on to them, then
Saffire for backing him up.

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My town has no dried black soybeans & barely has the
canned ones--only in one store. Of course I could order
a huge bagload of the dried variety online, but then, ha,
they'd grow old. So I compromise about what I'd like to
cook as a from-scratch gal. Have found that, if I make
whatever "stew" it is a day ahead, those stubborn little
black beans do soak up flavor, eventually. They freeze
after cooking well, also.

I found the Canned ones at Central market and ordered 25 lbs. of the dry
on line from Eden, then promptly re-sold 10 lbs. at cost to a low
carbing co-worker. That helped defray my cost somewhat. ;-)

I also wanted dry ones as I intend to try planting some.

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Because I'm not sure of just how bad or good for me they
are, they're a once every 2 weeks or so treat in, hmmm,
would not dare to call it "chili" here--how about black
soybean & meat spicy stew? Don't have thyroid issues,
so that is not an issue. I understand how those who do
would have to be more worried about possibilities of
adding it in.

I just use them as a treat.
One can only eat just so much meat, no matter how creatively prepared!

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My blood sugar meter tells me that they don't spike me
at all as long as I don't stuff myself sick w/some 4-serving
or so bowl of delight. My definition of an unacceptable
spike is over 130 after an hour, so that's conservative.
Nothing like a blood sugar meter & your own body to
figure out what is low carb for one's own body.

I'm lucky. My severe insulin resistance had me heading towards type 2
diabetes, but I never quite made it there. Lets hear it for a good
Endocrinoligist that knew the early warning signs! Any BG level over 110
is high for me. My A1C (a much better reflection!) is currently at 5.2.
My fasting and 2 hr. glucose is around 90.

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My bad--because I've also found frozen from-the-pod
edamame (whiter soybeans), & they work okay too,
when in a bowl w/a bit of lemon juice, olive oil, salt,
& some ham or cheese or (aw-oh} tofu.

jb

Keep track. Learn how your body reacts to foods and you will be fine!

The wonderful thing about all this is is that it's forced me to discover
a whole new world of wonderful, tasty, healthy, low glycemic index
foods! I'd say my variety (and cooking ability) has improved since this
occured.

It's been a very positive thing.

Quoted message said:

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snipped funny post>

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Oh, look. Another person with the education of a chimp getting all up in
the air because I write words with more than one syllable.

But it really is kinda funny watching Rusty going off on everybody
because we're ignorant and ill-informed and blindly cilnging to a boat
and eating it. Or something.

Read science books and lose the ones that come with crayons. Have a
bourbon. It'll help with the anxiety.

Pastorio

I've recently had a friend try to convince me I'm poisoning my emus and
poultry giving them feed with no animal protien. Due to "mad cow" scare,
most livestock feeds are discontinuing animal protein and switching to
soy.

I've alwasys made sure my emus have vegatable based feeds and they AND
their chicks do fine.

There seem to be dozens of websites dedicated to these "deadly" soy
poisons.

Oddly enough, there are just as many websites that demonstrate the
health benefits of soy.

Flip a coin. Which one is right?

I prefer to let history speak for itself. ;-)

It's just food for pity sakes!!!
The water you drink from the tap probably has more toxins, as does the
air we breathe.

Where does one draw the line? You want to be healthy? Run around with a
mask and scuba tank on your back with purified air, and put a water
deionizer on all of your taps!

Sheesh!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob (this one) said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob (this one) said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>[email hidden] wrote:
>
>
>>Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden Foods.
>>
>
>I like 'em! :-)
>And I like my own prepared from dry a bit better than the can as I seem
>to be able to get them more tender.
>
>They are easy to use and very satisfying.
>
>Enjoy!

People make the whole business about beans so complicated. Canned beans
are what the manufacturer gives you and there's not much you can do with
them beyond cooking them more. Flavors won't penetrate them very much.

Dry beans give you more opportunity for variations in texture and
flavors. Soaking isn't necessary. They'll cook wonderfully without all
that pre-prep business. Since they're not starchy and don't have all
those oligosaccharides that create music, there's really no benefit in
the soak. As with all beans, hard water will keep beans hard in the
cooking.

I have very hard water.
I live in Texas and all of my water comes from underground limestone
caves. ;-)

Believe me, a pre-soak is totally necessary here and makes a DRASTIC
difference. I've tried it both ways or I'd not have posted that.

I put in a water softener just because of the same issue here. Limestone
mountains. Water you could chew, it was so hard. Makes an enormous
difference for everything we do; laundry, cooking, bathing, plants...

I've not done that.
What is the cost and the most practical system?
Might help me keep from having to replace my hot water heater every 5
years. <G> And I can put away the gas mask I use when I use acid to
clean hard water deposits out of the tub and toilet.

(Bought a brand new Israeli gas mask and 2 filters from ebay for $25.00
before the 9-11 scare and I use it when I'm using muriatic acid in the
bathroom. Seriously.)

What about the sodium content of softened water? Is it really that big
of a deal?

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Start them in enough water to cover by an inch or more, and whatever
seasonings you like. Simmer gently with whatever additional ingredients
- pork, onions, herbs and spices - you want to imbue the beans with.
Testing for doneness is simple. Pick up a few beans in a spoon, drain
any liquid and blow on them. The skin will break and peel back when
they're done.

Pastorio

They gotta be soft to the tooth.

When the skin peels, it will be.

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Since I pressure cook them, testing them is not an option.
20 minutes makes perfect beans everytime, with a pre-soak.

There's not only one way to do it.

I know that. ;-)
It's just convenient, and usually faster...
Electricity is expensive.

Quoted message said:

Pastorio

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

I live in San Francisco now. Maybe if I eat enough soy I can start
moonlighting as a tranny / drag queen downtown.

JC Der Koenig said:

That'll be great for raising your estrogen levels.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

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Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden Foods.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob (this one) said:

Quoted message said:

"Black soy beans are _low_ carb. That's the entire point of posting
them on this list. I'd suggest you read their breakdown."

Om,

I'm with you on this one. I study & read the articles & read labels
very very carefully. It was this group's thread about black soybeans
a long while ago that got me looking for them as a nice change from
eating no black beans, navy beans, white soybeans, etc., thanks to
having diabetes type 2 & wanting to control it very well while still
missing those protein-packed beans.

My town has no dried black soybeans & barely has the canned
ones--only in one store. Of course I could order a huge bagload of
the dried variety online, but then, ha, they'd grow old.

Or you can split a 25-pound bag with maybe 4 or 5 other like-minded
people. For $47 you get 25 pounds of beans - $1.87 a pound.

That's exactly what I did. :-)
I bagged what I kept and put them in the refrigerator to protect from
weevil invasion.

There are plenty of low carbers around, despite what the media says...

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Soak and and freeze what you don't use in a reasonable time in zipper
bags. You decide the portion size. When you want to cook them, drop the
beansickle into the liquid and let 'er rip.

2 parts liquid to 1 part beans. I prefer to use broth rather than water.

Quoted message said:

Pastorio

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm all smiles. I'm enjoying this thread, thank you everyone. I have
another question, but I'll hold it until this thread peters out.

So far, I've only done vegetarian chili (basically black soybeans
simmered with 'fake beef' and a mess of veggies and spices), and 'lower
carb' burritos (yes, I know a tortilla is not low carb, no matter what
you make it out of). I am planning a jack-cheese and black bean omelet
soon.

Also, I don't worry about the phytoestrogens in the soy. If it kills me
or gives me breasts or a high squeaky voice or something, so be it.

It'll do a lot worse to you. It'll destroy the function of your thyroid
gland.

TC

That's worse than killing me?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

"Or you can split a 25-pound bag with maybe 4 or 5 other like-minded
people. For $47 you get 25 pounds of beans - $1.87 a pound.
Soak and and freeze what you don't use in a reasonable time in zipper
bags. You decide the portion size. When you want to cook them, drop
the beansickle into the liquid and let 'er rip."

Excellent suggestion, & I don't mean that ironically. Hope some folks
who can share will do this bean sharing. There is no one here in my
milieu who is even doing low carb, no declared type 2 diabetics (but
plenty who say to me, "How did you get in shape?" & some who have
said their doctors have said their BG's are "too high" but don't know
what their numbers are, sigh).

In my freezer now:
1 bag of many-colored sweet peppers, 3 bags of broccoli, 2 bags
of half-used spinach (mostly use fresh), 1 container of homemade
chicken broth, 1 of homemade asparagus soup, 3 bags of frozen
berries to use sparingly when BG numbers are cool, some edamame
(oh no! they might be poison), 8 separate turkey keilbasa sausage
lunch-type portions (grilled) for lettuce wraps, some cauliflower I'm
still wishing would taste good to me for faux potatoes (dream on),
old cooked ground turkey to use someday, 2 batches of a homemade
cool lentil soup, 1 tiny bowl of a great red pepper dip/sauce
(also homemade), 1 pint of a locally made sorbet to feed a daughter
who visited but didn't eat it....& more in that freezer, but it was a
hoot to take a look there tonight.

Oh--the frozen bag of corn i used on my aching neck last night, after
my visiting daughter didn't eat it, is no longer there.

Anyway, just having fun w/my freezer contents made me think of
starting a thread w/"What's in your freezer today?" No room right
now for black soybeans, so the canned, for now, will have to do.

I live in Hawaii, where white rice rules, as do desserts, and posting
on any site means one is way earlier or way later than the talk fest
at prime-time hours, so that's why I don't get into the thick of it
much & help enough, but am just dipping my toes in the water to
see if it's okay just to post.

hasta la vista,
jb (still a woman)

Talk to your doctor.
He/she might be able to get you together with others willing to split a
dry bean order. Shipping may or may not be a bit higher to Hawaii. I do
a lot of ebay shipping and have found it to not be significantly higher.

I have all I need for now but have already re-sold my spare, or I'd help
ya!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm all smiles. I'm enjoying this thread, thank you everyone. I have
another question, but I'll hold it until this thread peters out.

So far, I've only done vegetarian chili (basically black soybeans
simmered with 'fake beef' and a mess of veggies and spices), and 'lower
carb' burritos (yes, I know a tortilla is not low carb, no matter what
you make it out of). I am planning a jack-cheese and black bean omelet
soon.

Also, I don't worry about the phytoestrogens in the soy. If it kills me
or gives me breasts or a high squeaky voice or something, so be it.

It'll do a lot worse to you. It'll destroy the function of your thyroid
gland.

TC

That's worse than killing me? Man you're a downer.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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And where the heck do you live that you are still up HST
civilized time?

Forget it about cauliflower. I eat it fresh or not at all. I found
a recipe for cooking radishes (which I could never stomach in
more than tiny slices) that eliminates that radishy flavor, so
I make my own mashed radishes. They're pinkish, but they
satisfy my urge for mashed potatoes. Still, it's not something
I can even suggest to a group because, well, they're pretty
weird, all in all. No amount of cheese, spices, or cream help
out w/cauliflower for me. They still taste too sweet. But if
I'm only pleasing myself, & not a whole family like so many
have to do here, I can burrow in & chow down on the craziest
tiny mashed radishes w/cheese & spices dish. This is way too
YMMV, & radishes are way too pricey to use like this--I admit
that. I'll look for the soybeans at an asian market (3 blocks
away) but would sooner enjoy allowing myself the canned
variety as a "get out of jail free" card.

Good morning, all of you asleep for this.

jb

jb, do try pureed water chestnuts!

Just toss the can, liquid and all (not the metal can of course! <lol>😉
into the blender.

Pour into a glass dish, add butter, lemon pepper and a bit of grated
cheese to taste, nuke, stir, nuke again, stir to smooth.

IMHO pureed water chestnuts are superior to cauliflower for making faked
mashed potatoes! :-)

I will have to try the radishes tho'. I use them all the time cut in
half in stews and stir fry's as a nice, mild veggie.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

I dub you:

Ms. Carba Hydrate

MUAHAHAHA!!!

Hollywood, who once saw an all drag version of Steel Magnolias (no lie)
starting Ms. Dieta Pepsi (really!) in the same role Dolly Parton played
in the movie. The one that played Shirley McLane's role basically
looked like a man in man's clothing. Was one of the funniest things I
have ever seen.

Quoted message said:

I live in San Francisco now. Maybe if I eat enough soy I can start
moonlighting as a tranny / drag queen downtown.

JC Der Koenig said:

That'll be great for raising your estrogen levels.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

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Quoted message said:

Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden Foods.

[email hidden] wrote:
:: [email hidden] wrote:
::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::: I'm all smiles. I'm enjoying this thread, thank you everyone. I
:::: have another question, but I'll hold it until this thread peters
:::: out.
::::
:::: So far, I've only done vegetarian chili (basically black soybeans
:::: simmered with 'fake beef' and a mess of veggies and spices), and
:::: 'lower carb' burritos (yes, I know a tortilla is not low carb, no
:::: matter what you make it out of). I am planning a jack-cheese and
:::: black bean omelet soon.
::::
:::: Also, I don't worry about the phytoestrogens in the soy. If it
:::: kills me or gives me breasts or a high squeaky voice or something,
:::: so be it.
:::
::: It'll do a lot worse to you. It'll destroy the function of your
::: thyroid gland.
:::
::: TC
::
:: That's worse than killing me? Man you're a downer.

🙂 Yes...because you'll just get fatter and fatter and fatter without
eating anything. heh, I'd rather be dead.

I got some dry black and regular soybeans here:
http://www.diamondorganics.com/ShowView/prod_detail_list/215
White ones are 1.95 a pound, black ones 3.59 a pound. I think beans keep
very well for a long time.

I mentioned this before and was roundly chastised for eating the white ones
which are carbier than the black ones. I made soup with them once. They
were pretty good and still less carby than navy beans. Mostly though I use
the canned black ones in my Sausage Soup Olé.

[email hidden] wrote:
| "Black soy beans are _low_ carb.
| That's the entire point of posting them on this list.
| I'd suggest you read their breakdown."
|
| Om,
|
| I'm with you on this one. I study & read the articles &
| read labels very very carefully. It was this group's thread
| about black soybeans a long while ago that got me looking
| for them as a nice change from eating no black beans,
| navy beans, white soybeans, etc., thanks to having
| diabetes type 2 & wanting to control it very well while
| still missing those protein-packed beans.
|
| My town has no dried black soybeans & barely has the
| canned ones--only in one store. Of course I could order
| a huge bagload of the dried variety online, but then, ha,
| they'd grow old. So I compromise about what I'd like to
| cook as a from-scratch gal. Have found that, if I make
| whatever "stew" it is a day ahead, those stubborn little
| black beans do soak up flavor, eventually. They freeze
| after cooking well, also.
|
| Because I'm not sure of just how bad or good for me they
| are, they're a once every 2 weeks or so treat in, hmmm,
| would not dare to call it "chili" here--how about black
| soybean & meat spicy stew? Don't have thyroid issues,
| so that is not an issue. I understand how those who do
| would have to be more worried about possibilities of
| adding it in.
|
| My blood sugar meter tells me that they don't spike me
| at all as long as I don't stuff myself sick w/some 4-serving
| or so bowl of delight. My definition of an unacceptable
| spike is over 130 after an hour, so that's conservative.
| Nothing like a blood sugar meter & your own body to
| figure out what is low carb for one's own body.
|
| My bad--because I've also found frozen from-the-pod
| edamame (whiter soybeans), & they work okay too,
| when in a bowl w/a bit of lemon juice, olive oil, salt,
| & some ham or cheese or (aw-oh} tofu.
|
| jb

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've recently had a friend try to convince me I'm poisoning my emus and
poultry giving them feed with no animal protien. Due to "mad cow" scare,
most livestock feeds are discontinuing animal protein and switching to
soy.

I've alwasys made sure my emus have vegatable based feeds and they AND
their chicks do fine.

DH told me the other day that he has seen a lot of feral emus in TX. People
who thought they would make a lot of money raising them just turned them
loose because they couldn't afford to take care of them anymore. I wonder
how well they do? Escaped pigs seem to be doing very well.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger said:

Quoted message said:

> > Black and yellow soybeans are the same breed, different variety. They
> > are both soybeans.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Breed equals variety. "Same breed, different variety" is
> equivalent to writing "same variety, different variety".

In particular people who do selective breeding on animals
tend to use the word "breed" for their strains, people who
do selective breeding on plants tend to use the word
"variety" for their strains. The words mean the same
thing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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All varieties of oranges are oranges. All varieties of apples are
apples.

Quoted message said:

Therefore blood oranges are valencia oranges are bitter oranges.
And crab apples are pippin apples are golden delicious apples.
Got it. And they all have the same carb counts, and the same
phyto-toxins and so on. Well, at least I get one of the points
in there.

You are a complete ass.

Let's see. In another thread today you advised someone
to divorse because his wife is a vegitarian. I'll take
that as your being unqualified to judge.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm all smiles. I'm enjoying this thread, thank you everyone. I have
another question, but I'll hold it until this thread peters out.

So far, I've only done vegetarian chili (basically black soybeans
simmered with 'fake beef' and a mess of veggies and spices), and 'lower
carb' burritos (yes, I know a tortilla is not low carb, no matter what
you make it out of). I am planning a jack-cheese and black bean omelet
soon.

Also, I don't worry about the phytoestrogens in the soy. If it kills me
or gives me breasts or a high squeaky voice or something, so be it.

It'll do a lot worse to you. It'll destroy the function of your thyroid
gland.

TC

[censored].

Only in excess amounts.

Excess cabbage and seaweed will do the same thing!

"Food" eaten as such is harmless.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

: In particular people who do selective breeding on animals
: tend to use the word "breed" for their strains, people who
: do selective breeding on plants tend to use the word
: "variety" for their strains. The words mean the same
: thing.

cultivar