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  1. Doug Freyburger said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden Foods.

    Soybeans are NOT real food.

    All beef franks are real hot dogs. Soy franks are not real
    hot dogs. Therefore soy beans are not real food. Chuckle.

    Regular white soybeans may be used as filler and as cattle
    feed, but that doesn't make them completely fake. And the
    topic is about black soybeans which are a different breed.

    I'm sure soybeans are food for some organism, but just not for humans.

    Unless it is properly fermented to neutralize the phyto-toxins and
    phyto-estrogens and used in small amounts like the condiments and
    flavouring agents tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce.

    Black and yellow soybeans are the same breed, different variety. They
    are both soybeans.

    TC

  2. Doug Freyburger <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>>
    :>> > Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden
    :>> > Foods.
    :>>
    :>> Soybeans are NOT real food.
    :>
    :> All beef franks are real hot dogs. Soy franks are not real
    :> hot dogs. Therefore soy beans are not real food. Chuckle.
    :>
    :> Regular white soybeans may be used as filler and as cattle
    :> feed, but that doesn't make them completely fake. And the
    :> topic is about black soybeans which are a different breed.

    food:

    Material, usually of plant or animal origin, that contains or consists of
    essential body nutrients, such as carbohydrates, fats, proteins, vitamins,
    or minerals, and is ingested and assimilated by an organism to produce
    energy, stimulate growth, and maintain life.

  3. [email hidden] wrote:

    :> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned research
    :> and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>
    :> TC

    I see. So if you do your own-damned research then it's okay to presume to
    "know it all", as you do, right?

  4. Roger Zoul said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    :> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned research
    :> and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>
    :> TC

    I see. So if you do your own-damned research then it's okay to presume to
    "know it all", as you do, right?

    That was aimed ate Om and others like him who wax eloquent on subjects
    that they are not knowledgeable on.

    I tend to wax eloguent on topics that I have researched, like
    nutrition, diets and foods.

    TC

  5. Quoted message said:
    Doug Freyburger said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Soybeans are NOT real food.

    Quoted message said:

    All beef franks are real hot dogs. Soy franks are not real
    hot dogs. Therefore soy beans are not real food. Chuckle.

    I'm sure soybeans are food for some organism, but just not for humans.

    Unless it is properly fermented to neutralize the phyto-toxins and
    phyto-estrogens and used in small amounts like the condiments and
    flavouring agents tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce.

    Just checking - To you fava beans are also not food, right?
    All legumes have phyto-toxins to some extent and favas have
    the highest of the common legumes.

    Quoted message said:

    Black and yellow soybeans are the same breed, different variety. They
    are both soybeans.

    Breed equals variety. "Same breed, different variety" is
    equivalent to writing "same variety, different variety".

  6. [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Roger Zoul wrote:
    :>> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>>
    :>> :> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned
    :>> :> research and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>> :>
    :>> :> TC
    :>>
    :>> I see. So if you do your own-damned research then it's okay to
    :>> presume to "know it all", as you do, right?
    :>
    :> That was aimed ate Om and others like him who wax eloquent on
    :> subjects that they are not knowledgeable on.
    :>
    :> I tend to wax eloguent on topics that I have researched, like
    :> nutrition, diets and foods.

    Om is a she....JFYI.

    In seriousness, I do always wonder in the back of my mind about whether
    eating beans of any sort is a good idea. Obviously, the Paleo-type plans
    frown upon them. But they are good, filling, and a great source of fiber
    (among other things). But until more research is done, and until my body
    speaks to me in certain ways (like carbs do), I stand on the fence (while
    eating me BSB! 🙂).

  7. Roger Zoul said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Roger Zoul wrote:
    :>> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>>
    :>> :> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned
    :>> :> research and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>> :>
    :>> :> TC
    :>>
    :>> I see. So if you do your own-damned research then it's okay to
    :>> presume to "know it all", as you do, right?
    :>
    :> That was aimed ate Om and others like him who wax eloquent on
    :> subjects that they are not knowledgeable on.
    :>
    :> I tend to wax eloguent on topics that I have researched, like
    :> nutrition, diets and foods.

    Om is a she....JFYI.

    In seriousness, I do always wonder in the back of my mind about whether
    eating beans of any sort is a good idea. Obviously, the Paleo-type plans
    frown upon them. But they are good, filling, and a great source of fiber
    (among other things). But until more research is done, and until my body
    speaks to me in certain ways (like carbs do), I stand on the fence (while
    eating me BSB! 🙂).

    I, personally, do not eat much beans. I don't find them all that
    appetizing. They are packed with massive amounts of carbs and they
    cause flatulence. Cooking them is a pain in the rear. Takes forever.
    You have to soak them forever and change the water repeatedly before
    you cook them for several hours before they are barely fit for
    consumption. Unless you eat them from the can, then you don't know how
    long they sat in a warehouse before they were soaked a cooked, and they
    can contain lots of sodium and other assorted chemicals.

    I also don't buy into the fiber nonsense. Inuits and Eskimos ate very
    little fibrous plant material and they were extremely healthy. Has
    anyone considered the silliness of juicing. In a world where we are
    supposed to be fiber-deprived, we buy hundred dollar juicers and we
    throw away the pulp, you know the fiber? Then we buy packets of fibre
    that we can mix in water to drink down. Or fiber tablets. Or we eat
    beans to supply us with the fiber that the bread bakers remove from
    wheat to feed to the cattle. The silliness of a grain based diet.

    TC

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned research
    and then presume to know-it-all.

    TC

    TC,

    I'd suggest you look at the nutritional breakdown of yellow/white vs.
    black soybeans.

    Black soybeans have almost no sugar carbs. They are nearly pure protein
    and fiber.

    White/yellow soybeans are higher in net carbs.

    There is a reason I don't buy TVP.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Zoul said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Roger Zoul wrote:
    :>> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>>
    :>> :> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned
    :>> :> research and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>> :>
    :>> :> TC
    :>>
    :>> I see. So if you do your own-damned research then it's okay to
    :>> presume to "know it all", as you do, right?
    :>
    :> That was aimed ate Om and others like him who wax eloquent on
    :> subjects that they are not knowledgeable on.
    :>
    :> I tend to wax eloguent on topics that I have researched, like
    :> nutrition, diets and foods.

    Om is a she....JFYI.

    In seriousness, I do always wonder in the back of my mind about whether
    eating beans of any sort is a good idea. Obviously, the Paleo-type plans
    frown upon them. But they are good, filling, and a great source of fiber
    (among other things). But until more research is done, and until my body
    speaks to me in certain ways (like carbs do), I stand on the fence (while
    eating me BSB! 🙂).

    I don't eat them every day either, but I find them to be a nice change
    of pace once in awhile.

    Kinda like Shiratake.

    <smirk>
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Roger Zoul wrote:
    :>> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>>
    :>> :> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned
    :>> :> research and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>> :>
    :>> :> TC
    :>>
    :>> I see. So if you do your own-damned research then it's okay to
    :>> presume to "know it all", as you do, right?
    :>
    :> That was aimed ate Om and others like him who wax eloquent on
    :> subjects that they are not knowledgeable on.
    :>
    :> I tend to wax eloguent on topics that I have researched, like
    :> nutrition, diets and foods.

    Om is a she....JFYI.

    In seriousness, I do always wonder in the back of my mind about whether
    eating beans of any sort is a good idea. Obviously, the Paleo-type plans
    frown upon them. But they are good, filling, and a great source of fiber
    (among other things). But until more research is done, and until my body
    speaks to me in certain ways (like carbs do), I stand on the fence (while
    eating me BSB! 🙂).

    I, personally, do not eat much beans. I don't find them all that
    appetizing. They are packed with massive amounts of carbs and they
    cause flatulence. Cooking them is a pain in the rear. Takes forever.
    You have to soak them forever and change the water repeatedly before
    you cook them for several hours before they are barely fit for
    consumption. Unless you eat them from the can, then you don't know how
    long they sat in a warehouse before they were soaked a cooked, and they
    can contain lots of sodium and other assorted chemicals.

    I also don't buy into the fiber nonsense. Inuits and Eskimos ate very
    little fibrous plant material and they were extremely healthy. Has
    anyone considered the silliness of juicing. In a world where we are
    supposed to be fiber-deprived, we buy hundred dollar juicers and we
    throw away the pulp, you know the fiber? Then we buy packets of fibre
    that we can mix in water to drink down. Or fiber tablets. Or we eat
    beans to supply us with the fiber that the bread bakers remove from
    wheat to feed to the cattle. The silliness of a grain based diet.

    TC

    I don't think that _anyone_ on this list believes in a grain based diet!

    I'm also with you on juicing. Throwing away the pulp is just silly.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  11. OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> In article <[email hidden]>,
    :> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>
    :>
    :>> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned
    :>> research
    :>> and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>>
    :>> TC
    :>>
    :>
    :> TC,
    :>
    :> I'd suggest you look at the nutritional breakdown of yellow/white vs.
    :> black soybeans.
    :>
    :> Black soybeans have almost no sugar carbs. They are nearly pure
    :> protein
    :> and fiber.
    :>
    :> White/yellow soybeans are higher in net carbs.
    :>
    :> There is a reason I don't buy TVP.

    What is it?

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Zoul said:

    OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> In article <[email hidden]>,
    :> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>
    :>
    :>> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned
    :>> research
    :>> and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>>
    :>> TC
    :>>
    :>
    :> TC,
    :>
    :> I'd suggest you look at the nutritional breakdown of yellow/white vs.
    :> black soybeans.
    :>
    :> Black soybeans have almost no sugar carbs. They are nearly pure
    :> protein
    :> and fiber.
    :>
    :> White/yellow soybeans are higher in net carbs.
    :>
    :> There is a reason I don't buy TVP.

    What is it?

    Too high in net carbs........ ;-)

    Textured vegetable protein.
    Yellow soy based stuff used to make fake vegetarian hamburgers.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  13. <adjusting my JC hat>
    Beans have NO PLACE in real chili.

    <swtich to Susan Powter>
    STOP the INSANITY!

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/browse_frm/thread/ffc8a557b092c393/abf131414508145f?q=max+harris+chili&rnum=2#abf131414508145f

    Modify by group googling "melange a trois Max Harris", but beware,
    that's a very long post, and largely not about chili.

    -Hollywood, saying "keep your beans (and your tomatos) outta my chili".

    Priscilla H. Ballou said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden Foods.

    I like 'em. I've been finding lately that regular beans don't do as
    much of a number on my BG as they used to, so instead of using all black
    soy beans in my chili, I'm using 1/2 and 1/2 regular beans and soy beans.

    Priscilla

  14. Max Hollywood Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> <adjusting my JC hat>
    :> Beans have NO PLACE in real chili.
    :>
    :> <swtich to Susan Powter>
    :> STOP the INSANITY!
    :>
    :>
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/browse_frm/thread/ffc8a557b092c393/abf131414508145f?q=max+harris+chili&rnum=2#abf131414508145f
    :>
    :> Modify by group googling "melange a trois Max Harris", but beware,
    :> that's a very long post, and largely not about chili.
    :>
    :> -Hollywood, saying "keep your beans (and your tomatos) outta my
    :> chili".

    Must there always be a post like this when someone mentions chili and beans?
    I personally like my chilli both ways and if you want to argue that one way
    ain't chili, fine. Ain't gonna stop me.....

    :>
    :> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
    :>> In article <[email hidden]>,
    :>> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>>
    :>> > Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden
    :>> > Foods.
    :>>
    :>> I like 'em. I've been finding lately that regular beans don't do as
    :>> much of a number on my BG as they used to, so instead of using all
    :>> black
    :>> soy beans in my chili, I'm using 1/2 and 1/2 regular beans and soy
    :>> beans.
    :>>
    :>> Priscilla

  15. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden Foods.


    Hard to say. A few decades ago they were touted to be the new age
    "wunder-food". But more recent studies seem to indicate an increasing
    probability that the phytoestrogens they contain are an emerging problem for
    women--as well as men.

    There is little nutrition in them that can't be found in sources that have
    less phytoestrogens. I mean, how many should I let my wife eat until they
    become an issue for her? Since I found no other persuasive evidence that
    they're needed by the human nutrition requirements that we have, I simply
    chose not to take that chance. Besides their ability to mimic natural
    estrogens with unknown long-term effects, soy products are being linked with
    kidney stones, weakened immune systems, food allergies, and thyroid
    disorders. And no, I'm not some kind of "alarmist" that runs from studies
    that simply 'link' things...but I do accord them more attention. After all,
    if you look long enough you can find some study that justifies just about
    anything you can name...

    Your typical soy bean is the vehicle for a soup of toxic products, along
    with phytates, that are not destroyed even by a long cooking session. The
    ingestion of phytates will interrupt your body's ability to absorb various
    minerals such as: calcium, magnesium, copper, iron, and zinc. Soy beans
    also contain a material called haemagglutin. In the human body it causes
    red corpuscles to stick together and causes a slowing of oxygen uptake. And
    along with the trypsin inhibitors also found therein, it can it can even
    inhibit growth.

    The only research that I've been able to find regarding the ingestion of soy
    found that the sprouted forms soy, such as: direct sprouts, miso, natto, and
    tempeh are the only forms of soy that can be safely eaten with some health
    benefits. That means that all of the other various processed forms: soy
    milk, soy burgers, soy cheese, and soy ice-cream should be avoided like the
    plague.

    There are a 100 or more research publications that have taken great pains
    (not to mention the slings & arrows of the Soy industry). Among them: The
    Lancet and the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Ya might wanna hunt
    them down and see what they have to say.

    Ever eat "Whey protein?" (powders, bars, supplements, shakes, etc.) Much
    like the whey protein, soy protein was originally an industrial waste. In
    order to "process it", high temperatures are needed. This alone makes it
    suspect as having "food value".

    The oft touted reputation of soy products as being low-fat, anti-cancer,
    anti-viral, anti-osteoporosis, all the while being a staunch cholesterol
    fighter, is based on bad science and an outstanding job by the soy industry
    at marketing their product.

    My advice? If you can eat a soy bean, you can just as well eat a kidney,
    navy, white, black, or pinto bean... But hey! That's just me... You can
    of course do as you each wish.

    Later all,
    Dusty

    Quoted message said:
  16. Doug Freyburger said:
    Quoted message said:
    Doug Freyburger said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > Soybeans are NOT real food.

    Quoted message said:

    All beef franks are real hot dogs. Soy franks are not real
    hot dogs. Therefore soy beans are not real food. Chuckle.

    I'm sure soybeans are food for some organism, but just not for humans.

    Unless it is properly fermented to neutralize the phyto-toxins and
    phyto-estrogens and used in small amounts like the condiments and
    flavouring agents tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce.

    Just checking - To you fava beans are also not food, right?
    All legumes have phyto-toxins to some extent and favas have
    the highest of the common legumes.

    Quoted message said:

    Black and yellow soybeans are the same breed, different variety. They
    are both soybeans.

    Breed equals variety. "Same breed, different variety" is
    equivalent to writing "same variety, different variety".

    All varieties of oranges are oranges. All varieties of apples are
    apples.

    All varieties of soybeans are soybeans.

    TC

  17. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have an opinion on 'em? I just ordered a case from Eden Foods.


    I like 'em! :-)
    And I like my own prepared from dry a bit better than the can as I seem
    to be able to get them more tender.

    They are easy to use and very satisfying.

    Enjoy!

    People make the whole business about beans so complicated. Canned beans
    are what the manufacturer gives you and there's not much you can do with
    them beyond cooking them more. Flavors won't penetrate them very much.

    Dry beans give you more opportunity for variations in texture and
    flavors. Soaking isn't necessary. They'll cook wonderfully without all
    that pre-prep business. Since they're not starchy and don't have all
    those oligosaccharides that create music, there's really no benefit in
    the soak. As with all beans, hard water will keep beans hard in the
    cooking.

    Start them in enough water to cover by an inch or more, and whatever
    seasonings you like. Simmer gently with whatever additional ingredients
    - pork, onions, herbs and spices - you want to imbue the beans with.
    Testing for doneness is simple. Pick up a few beans in a spoon, drain
    any liquid and blow on them. The skin will break and peel back when
    they're done.

    Pastorio

  18. The benefit in the "soak" is that the beans cook quicker. If you don't soak
    pinto beans, you can cook them forever (it seems) before they're tender.

    Pat in TX

  19. "Max Hollywood Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    : <adjusting my JC hat>
    : Beans have NO PLACE in real chili.
    :
    : <swtich to Susan Powter>
    : STOP the INSANITY!

    When you're right, you're right.

    Pat in TX

  20. Quoted message said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    :> Roger Zoul wrote:
    :>> [email hidden] wrote:
    :>>
    :>> :> I'm getting tired of you yahoos who can't do your own damned
    :>> :> research and then presume to know-it-all.
    :>> :>
    :>> :> TC
    :>>
    :>> I see. So if you do your own-damned research then it's okay to
    :>> presume to "know it all", as you do, right?
    :>
    :> That was aimed ate Om and others like him who wax eloquent on
    :> subjects that they are not knowledgeable on.
    :>
    :> I tend to wax eloguent on topics that I have researched, like
    :> nutrition, diets and foods.

    Om is a she....JFYI.

    In seriousness, I do always wonder in the back of my mind about whether
    eating beans of any sort is a good idea. Obviously, the Paleo-type plans
    frown upon them. But they are good, filling, and a great source of fiber
    (among other things). But until more research is done, and until my body
    speaks to me in certain ways (like carbs do), I stand on the fence (while
    eating me BSB! 🙂).


    This below is filled with sweeping statements that, because they cover
    so much territory are essentially unusable.

    Quoted message said:

    I, personally, do not eat much beans. I don't find them all that
    appetizing. They are packed with massive amounts of carbs

    Some beans are.

    Quoted message said:

    and they cause flatulence.

    Some beans do. But black soybeans fit neither description. It's the
    oligosaccharides in most beans that are the source of flatulence.
    Soybeans are very low-level sources of them.

    Quoted message said:

    Cooking them is a pain in the rear. Takes forever.
    You have to soak them forever and change the water repeatedly before
    you cook them for several hours before they are barely fit for
    consumption.

    Beans don't need to be soaked. Most will cook in a couple hours, less
    time than that turkey or beef roast. Many will cook in less than an hour.

    Quoted message said:

    Unless you eat them from the can, then you don't know how
    long they sat in a warehouse before they were soaked a cooked, and they
    can contain lots of sodium and other assorted chemicals.

    Beans are canned with very little added. Most labels will list beans,
    water and salt. Some will include citric acid to balance pH. Cans can
    live in warehouses for a long time. That's the point of canning.
    Preserving for longer life.

    Quoted message said:

    I also don't buy into the fiber nonsense. Inuits and Eskimos ate very
    little fibrous plant material and they were extremely healthy.

    Really? They were ok, hardly what we would call extremely healthy by
    modern criteria.

    Quoted message said:

    Has
    anyone considered the silliness of juicing. In a world where we are
    supposed to be fiber-deprived, we buy hundred dollar juicers and we
    throw away the pulp, you know the fiber? Then we buy packets of fibre
    that we can mix in water to drink down. Or fiber tablets. Or we eat
    beans to supply us with the fiber that the bread bakers remove from
    wheat to feed to the cattle. The silliness of a grain based diet.

    Hard to argue with this last part, though.

    Pastorio

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