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$kip said:

... And yes Tom, you must capitalize NASCAR. We are most assuredly laughing out loud.

I thought it was NA$CAR.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Some of us think so, yes. The love of money has driven the sport away from its southern roots.

How many of the current drivers ever got chased by Treasury agents while delivering a load of
moonshine?

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Making no sense again. I thought he answered your question quite nicely. If anything was vague, it
was your question. If you wanted technical details you could have asked a follow up. But you gave no
hint that you were not satisfied with his answer, seemingly because somebody beat you at your own
game by saying they paid full price for a Bigha.

What confuses me is how you've stated many times people will defend their purchases just to avoid
looking bad, but now seem to think these are the only objective reviews. And then a Bigha owner
steps up to give his opinion and you deem it worthless.

Mr Love seems to be talking out of several sides of the same mouth to attack a bike he supposedly
hasn't even seen. Why the vendetta? Is he perhaps a disgruntled ex-Bigha employee?

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Lawrence Turner said:

Newsflash: product reviews are given by reporters who do not purchase the product. A review
by a customer wouldn't exactly be objective, now would it? Why don't you write to your
favorite magazine or TV show and ask them how many of their products they reviewed were
actually paid for?

As for Mr Theismen (the Bigha owner), isn't having a "nice" bike that he likes justification
enough? He said he's tried other bents and did not find them as nice as the Bigha. If you really
wanted more specifics you could have asked, but you failed to.

It seems to me Lorenzo L. Love, that you've just about run out of circles.

Lying again. I asked the specific questions "Why did you decide to spend that much when there are
other much cheaper bikes that are in the same class? In what way is this bike superior to similar
but much less expensive bikes? In what way is this bike the equal to similarly priced but much
higher performance bikes?" His answers were quite vague and boil down to he just likes it better.

There seems to be no end to the lies Mr. Turner will spew to defend a bicycle he himself does not
deem worth purchasing. Is he counting on a free review model?

Free review product placement is why most reviews are not worthwhile. Only the few reviewers
like the Consumers Union who pay full retail and accept no advertising can be judged impartial
and honest.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

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Lawrence Turner wrote:

>Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that Bigha is a piece of [censored]
>and it gets positive reviews. Then you say it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will
>buy it, and somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.
>
>Now owning a Bigha is wasteful, unethical and blasphemus. Way to go, you've graduated from
>Troll to Jihadist! I think you need to chill and maybe think about something other than Bigha
>for a day.

You are quite simply lying. I have never said that the Bigha was "a piece of [censored]", in fact I
have several times said it looked like a good bike - if it was in the $1200 to $1500 price
range of comparative bikes. Every positive review posted has been by someone who was given a
Bigha for review for free. Give me any thing for free and I'll tell you it was great for the
price I paid. So far (excluding the attempts at deception) we have heard from one single person
who has said they have paid full price, and he has declined to give any details about the bike
or any info about why he purchase a Bigha rather then a comparative bike at a much cheaper
price or a much higher performance bike at a comparative price, other then he just likes it and
thinks it's nice.

This shows how far people will go to justify the culture of conspicuous consumption.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

"skip" skrev...

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I'm not a religious guy, at least not in the orthodox sense, but I do respect the religion of
others as long as they aren't trying to shoot me or blow up the place where I work. Christians for
sure aren't on the P.C. protected list so you will see this sort of anti-Christian stuff posted
here. They do it because they can get away with it.

"They"? The godless commies on their _red_ bikes?

Anyway Gandhi might have mentioned Christians but you could substitute any god and his/her /its
believers.

Speaking of Christians don't you just love Bush's "Turn the other cheek"-doctrine? As in "Commit a
terrorist act against the US and we will invade a country that had nothing to do with it." I bet
that scares all the nasty ungodly terrorists. ;-)

Mikael

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Tom Sherman said:

How many of the current drivers ever got chased by Treasury agents while delivering a load of
moonshine?

Treasury agents? Tsk. The word is "revenooers".

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> > I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
> > Christ. - Mohandas Gandhi

> I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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Only cowards and scoundrels beat up on Christians because it is OK and politically correct to
do so.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I'm not a religious guy, at least not in the orthodox sense, but I do respect the religion of
others as long as they aren't trying to shoot me or blow up the place where I work. Christians
for sure aren't on the P.C. protected list so you will see this sort of anti-Christian stuff
posted here. They do it because they can get away with it.

White southern rural guys (rednecks) have always considered political correctness a hoot. We
know if liberals will slur and stereotype us they will slur and stereotype others. We are also
amused by the recently assigned P.C. protection for rednecks. It seems in their endless vote
counting liberals discovered they didn't get a single redneck vote. A handful of redneck votes
and they would be in power. Recognizing this they have extended their P.C. protection to us. We
are now and hence forth to be referred to as "NASCAR Dads" with no slurring or stereotyping
allowed. And yes Tom, you must capitalize NASCAR. We are most assuredly laughing out loud.

skip

I am Lutheran and attended parochial school from K -12. I attend church on a semi-regular basis
and AM a Christian in every sense of the word EXCEPT for being tolerant of redneck [censored] like
you. Here's a concept that I'm sure you're not familiar with, PEOPLE WITH CONFIDENCE AND FAITH IN
THEIR BELIEFS AREN'T AFRAID TO POKE FUN AT THEMSELVES OR LOOK AT THEIR BELIEFS WITH AN OBJECTIVE
POINT OF VIEW.

For all I care you can take your obscene rantings and tack them up your Lutheran church bulletin
board and share your objective point of view with them.

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"skip" skrev...

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I'm not a religious guy, at least not in the orthodox sense, but I do respect the religion of
others as long as they aren't trying to shoot me

or

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blow up the place where I work. Christians for sure aren't on the P.C. protected list so you
will see this sort of anti-Christian stuff posted here. They do it because they can get away
with it.

"They"? The godless commies on their _red_ bikes?

I have no idea what color bikes you guys ride.

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Anyway Gandhi might have mentioned Christians but you could substitute any god and his/her /its
believers.

Of course you could.

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Speaking of Christians don't you just love Bush's "Turn the other

cheek"-doctrine?

The other cheek was turned turned a long time ago. It's search and destroy time.

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As in "Commit a terrorist act against the US and we will invade a country that had nothing to do
with it." I bet that scares all the nasty ungodly

terrorists. ;-)

What is it you want now? Saddam back?

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$kip wrote:
> ... And yes Tom, you must capitalize NASCAR. We are most assuredly laughing out loud.

I thought it was NA$CAR.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Some of us think so, yes. The love of money has driven the sport away

from

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its southern roots.

How many of the current drivers ever got chased by Treasury agents while delivering a load of
moonshine?

Tom Sherman - Planet Earthn\

Exactly none. There's a tendency toward driver/spokesmodels these days.

skip

Lawrence Turner said:

Making no sense again. I thought he answered your question quite nicely. If anything was vague, it
was your question. If you wanted technical details you could have asked a follow up. But you gave
no hint that you were not satisfied with his answer, seemingly because somebody beat you at your
own game by saying they paid full price for a Bigha.

What confuses me is how you've stated many times people will defend their purchases just to avoid
looking bad, but now seem to think these are the only objective reviews. And then a Bigha owner
steps up to give his opinion and you deem it worthless.

Mr Love seems to be talking out of several sides of the same mouth to attack a bike he supposedly
hasn't even seen. Why the vendetta? Is he perhaps a disgruntled ex-Bigha employee?

Still lying. What kind of psychological problems compel people to continually lie in support of a
bicycle that they themselves would never buy? Only someone who has paid full price for anything can
determine if it is worth the price. I have never said otherwise. In fact I have several times said
that reviews from people who get items for free have little value. The one solitary person who has
said they had bought a Bigha seems to like it a lot, but he declines to gives any objective details
on why. Meanwhile, Mr. Turner, who will not buy a Bigha, continues to defend this bicycle. What
possible reason is there for this? Is he really a Bigha employee? Or is he just another psycho?

By the way, top posting is considered bad netiquette. Refusing to conform to accepted societal norms
of polite behavior is another sign of
psychological disorder.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
- Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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that bit of drivel posted here on ARBR every time someone gets to feeling holier than thou. Gandhi
hardly got anything in his life right. He was a mess.

Mr. Dolan, what do you know about Gandhi? He liberated his country from an imperialist occupation
without firing a shot. A mess? Hardly. If you think Jesus Christ would approve of war mongering
in order to spread his beliefs...you have something else coming.

Edward Wong

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Lawrence Turner said:

Making no sense again. I thought he answered your question quite nicely. If anything was vague,
it was your question. If you wanted technical details you could have asked a follow up. But you
gave no hint that you were not satisfied with his answer, seemingly because somebody beat you at
your own game by saying they paid full price for a Bigha.

What confuses me is how you've stated many times people will defend their purchases just to
avoid looking bad, but now seem to think these are the only objective reviews. And then a Bigha
owner steps up to give his opinion and you deem it worthless.

Mr Love seems to be talking out of several sides of the same mouth to attack a bike he
supposedly hasn't even seen. Why the vendetta? Is he perhaps a disgruntled ex-Bigha employee?

Still lying. What kind of psychological problems compel people to continually lie in support of a
bicycle that they themselves would never buy? Only someone who has paid full price for anything
can determine if it is worth the price. I have never said otherwise. In fact I have several times
said that reviews from people who get items for free have little value. The one solitary person
who has said they had bought a Bigha seems to like it a lot, but he declines to gives any
objective details on why. Meanwhile, Mr. Turner, who will not buy a Bigha, continues to defend
this bicycle. What possible reason is there for this? Is he really a Bigha employee? Or is he just
another psycho?

By the way, top posting is considered bad netiquette. Refusing to conform to accepted societal
norms of polite behavior is another sign of
psychological disorder.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

What have I lied about? I expressed an opinion that the Bigha owner answered your question nicely.
If you do not agree with this, fine by
me. But the fact that you failed to ask a follow-up or express any dissatisfaction to this answer
speaks volumes to me.

I do not think you're a liar, Mr Love. I think you are downright crazy. You quote Charles Manson and
wage an extremist Jihad against a bike which you haven't even seen. Call me a Bigha employee,
correct my netiquette and dodge the issue all you want, but the question remains: Why do you
continually talk out of both sides of your mouth? You've been caught several times here, and when
confronted you only revert to your childish ramblings. A direct answer would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Personally I prefer "Top Posting" so I don't have to scan all the bull [censored] of prior posts.

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Lawrence Turner said:

Making no sense again. I thought he answered your question quite nicely. If anything was vague,
it was your question. If you wanted technical details you could have asked a follow up. But you
gave no hint that you were not satisfied with his answer, seemingly because somebody beat you at
your own game by saying they paid full price for a Bigha.

What confuses me is how you've stated many times people will defend their purchases just to avoid
looking bad, but now seem to think these are the only objective reviews. And then a Bigha owner
steps up to give his opinion and you deem it worthless.

Mr Love seems to be talking out of several sides of the same mouth to attack a bike he supposedly
hasn't even seen. Why the vendetta? Is he perhaps a disgruntled ex-Bigha employee?

Still lying. What kind of psychological problems compel people to continually lie in support of a
bicycle that they themselves would never buy? Only someone who has paid full price for anything
can determine if it is worth the price. I have never said otherwise. In fact I have several times
said that reviews from people who get items for free have little value. The one solitary person
who has said they had bought a Bigha seems to like it a lot, but he declines to gives any
objective details on why. Meanwhile, Mr. Turner, who will not buy a Bigha, continues to defend
this bicycle. What possible reason is there for this? Is he really a Bigha employee? Or is he just
another psycho?

By the way, top posting is considered bad netiquette. Refusing to conform to accepted societal
norms of polite behavior is another sign of
psychological disorder.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

What have I lied about? I expressed an opinion that the Bigha owner answered your question nicely.
If you do not agree with this, fine by
me. But the fact that you failed to ask a follow-up or express any dissatisfaction to this answer
speaks volumes to me.

I do not think you're a liar, Mr Love. I think you are downright crazy. You quote Charles Manson
and wage an extremist Jihad against a bike which you haven't even seen. Call me a Bigha employee,
correct my netiquette and dodge the issue all you want, but the question remains: Why do you
continually talk out of both sides of your mouth? You've been caught several times here, and when
confronted you only revert to your childish ramblings. A direct answer would be appreciated.

Thank you.

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"Mikael Seierup" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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... "They"? The godless commies on their _red_ bikes?

I have no idea what color bikes you guys ride....

Pay attention - I would think that by now all of the a.r.b.r. regulars would be aware of the color
of my Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. 😉

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What is it you want now? Saddam back?

While Bush was busy with the conquest of Iraq, the Taliban have been making a comeback in
Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden is alive and free.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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Then you are a [censored] poor Christian, you God Damn Moran!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Lawrence Turner said:

Making no sense again. I thought he answered your question quite nicely. If anything was vague,
it was your question. If you wanted technical details you could have asked a follow up. But you
gave no hint that you were not satisfied with his answer, seemingly because somebody beat you at
your own game by saying they paid full price for a Bigha.

What confuses me is how you've stated many times people will defend their purchases just to avoid
looking bad, but now seem to think these are the only objective reviews. And then a Bigha owner
steps up to give his opinion and you deem it worthless.

Mr Love seems to be talking out of several sides of the same mouth to attack a bike he supposedly
hasn't even seen. Why the vendetta? Is he perhaps a disgruntled ex-Bigha employee?

Still lying. What kind of psychological problems compel people to continually lie in support of a
bicycle that they themselves would never buy? Only someone who has paid full price for anything
can determine if it is worth the price. I have never said otherwise. In fact I have several times
said that reviews from people who get items for free have little value. The one solitary person
who has said they had bought a Bigha seems to like it a lot, but he declines to gives any
objective details on why. Meanwhile, Mr. Turner, who will not buy a Bigha, continues to defend
this bicycle. What possible reason is there for this? Is he really a Bigha employee? Or is he just
another psycho?

By the way, top posting is considered bad netiquette. Refusing to conform to accepted societal
norms of polite behavior is another sign of
psychological disorder.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

What have I lied about? I expressed an opinion that the Bigha owner answered your question nicely.
If you do not agree with this, fine by
me. But the fact that you failed to ask a follow-up or express any dissatisfaction to this answer
speaks volumes to me.

I do not think you're a liar, Mr Love. I think you are downright crazy. You quote Charles Manson
and wage an extremist Jihad against a bike which you haven't even seen. Call me a Bigha employee,
correct my netiquette and dodge the issue all you want, but the question remains: Why do you
continually talk out of both sides of your mouth? You've been caught several times here, and when
confronted you only revert to your childish ramblings. A direct answer would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Here's a direct answer. Your three previous posts each contained a deliberate blatant lie about what
I have said. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you can not be trusted in anything you say. You
attack me for asking questions and fanatically defend a bicycle that you yourself would not buy. You
are psychologically disturbed. Please seek help from a mental health professional.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"The worst-tempered people I've ever met were people who knew they were wrong." Wilson Mizner,
American playwright (1876-1933).

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Then you are a [censored] poor Christian, you God Damn Moran!

What is a "Moran"?

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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>
> I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
> - Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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that bit of drivel posted here on ARBR every time someone gets to feeling holier than thou.
Gandhi hardly got anything in his life right. He was a mess.

Instead of attacking and berating Christians, maybe you could say a few words about the Muslims,
including the extremists who are wreaking all the havoc in the world today. But as always you
have your head screwed on crooked and so you can't ever get anything right. Congratulations. I
admire people who are consistent about things, even if consistently wrong.

Only cowards and scoundrels beat up on Christians because it is OK and politically correct to do
so. Why don't you show some courage and try beating up on a group who are not so politically
correct, like maybe the Muslims for instance. All this anti-Christian [censored] here is disgusting -
and why pretend to have a reverence for Jesus Christ? You are lying about that the same as you
are lying about his followers. The Devil take you!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Only morons and WEAK believers have ANY TROUBLE laughing at themselves or looking at what their
fellow followers ACTUALLY DO. Which do you fall under? Both I would guess.

at your religious conceits or do you think Gandhi was right in his estimation of Christians?
Inquiring minds want to know.

By the way, I am completely without any religious faith whatsoever, so I am essentially neutral
about all of this. But I do not like to see Christians being picked on because they are the
foundation of this country and this democracy. Besides, if you are going to pick on religions, all
those others out there are so much more deserving of your attention and could frankly use some good
sound criticism. Like Gandhi's religion for instance.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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By the way, top posting is considered bad netiquette. Refusing to conform to accepted societal
norms of polite behavior is another sign of
psychological disorder.

Damn Lorenzo! I couldn't agree with you more on all the top posting that is going on here of late. I
think any and all posts should have a bit of what has preceded at the top where it logically
belongs. It need not be the entire message, but only that part you are responding too, but damn it,
it should be at the top and not down at the bottom! This is not rocket science.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I am Lutheran and attended parochial school from K -12. I attend church on a semi-regular basis
and AM a Christian in every sense of the word EXCEPT for being tolerant of redneck [censored] like
you. Here's a concept that I'm sure you're not familiar with, PEOPLE WITH CONFIDENCE AND FAITH IN
THEIR BELIEFS AREN'T AFRAID TO POKE FUN AT THEMSELVES OR LOOK AT THEIR BELIEFS WITH AN OBJECTIVE
POINT OF VIEW.

This gutless wonder would never have the guts to "poke fun" at the Jewish religion or the Muslim
religion though would he? He is nothing but a politically correct [censored] who because he is a
liberal thinks he can get away with murder. All in the name of "poking fun"! Some [censored] call it
satire. Screw you all the way to hell and back you lying SOB!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

... By the way, I am completely without any religious faith whatsoever, so I am essentially
neutral about all of this. But I do not like to see Christians being picked on because they are
the foundation of this country and this democracy. Besides, if you are going to pick on religions,
all those others out there are so much more deserving of your attention and could frankly use some
good sound criticism. Like Gandhi's religion for instance.

"Don't mess with the Church Of RANS. Like Texans, only more so." - Warren Block

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth