BiGHA Comments

Lorenzo L. Love said:

... Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has actually purchased a
Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

Bigha (n.) A measure of land in India, varying from a third of an acre to an acre.

Depending on how much land was in question and the local real estate values, I might consider
purchasing a Bigha for $3000.00 US. 😉

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Lawrence Turner said:

It may appear this way to conceited conspiracy theorists such as yourself who wish not to answer
simple questions, but I use a program called anonomizer that mimicks others' IP addresses so
Charles Manson quoting psychotics like LLL cannot track me down and kill me for disagreeing with
him on a newsgroup about some bike. Any loser with a bit of computer knowledge and some free time
can match an IP address to a real address, a phone number, a real address, a name and a social
security number.

Any loser with some free time can create sock puppets and commit identity theft.

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I only needed to do a Google search of "Lorenzo L. Love" to find a number of your posts on various
newsgroups where you continue your insane babbling and Jihad waging against other products such as
Segway before deciding to protect myself.

Is the Seqway another product you are going lie about and say you have?

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I admit, I did use your name to post - I thought it was quite funny, but then felt bad and
immediately nuked the thing. Whoop-dee-do. Sue
me. Like it wasn't you who posted a sham thread about Bryan Ball and Bob Bryant?

You think identity theft, lies and deceit are funny? You are a
psychopath. Canceling your attempt at identity theft does not negate it. And for the record, I
don't know who those people are. I post under my own name, not hiding behind a variety of sock
puppets like some
ppsychopaths do.

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But seriously Lorenzo, what kind of psycho are you that you go through every last detail of every
post on this board, including IP addresses, and you still manage NOT to answer a single freaking
question I've asked? It seems like you've gone through every hoop to avoid answering. Even if I
was Theisman or Dolan or Wong or Sherman or Goldberg or for that matter anyone and everyone on the
board, that's no excuse for failing to answer a simple damn question!

Your questions are off topic. Nor have you answered any.

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And again: what have I lied about? You keep calling me a liar when I haven't claimed anything
about anything. The only point I've ever made is that you're a liar who avoids answering
questions. Thank you for again proving my point you neandrathal with a keyboard.

Anyone who has bothered to read this thread has seen your lies.

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Now answer my freaking questions!!
1) What's the logic behind you Jihad against Bigha?

I state the obvious that it is grossly over priced ank ask a simple question, who has bought one,
and that's a Jihah? There is only one person waging a war there, with lies, deceit and identity
theft. Fanatic.

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2) Why are you entitled to an opinion on Bigha while nobody else is?

An opinion is what I am asking for. Fool.

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3) Who provides the best reviews: paying customers or non-paying reviewers?

Answered several times, but you keep lying that I haven't. Psychotic.

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4) Have you received counseling and have you taken medication for a mental condition?

Have you? I'm not the one spewing lies about owning a bike I never will buy. Liar.

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5) If no on 4, how do you justify recommending these things without trying them yourself? Doesn't
this counter your logic on Bigha?
6) Why do you never ever answer any questions?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Not one word this deceitful person says can be taked as factual. How many other sock puppets does
this psycho use on this news group?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about other people." Virginia Woolf
(1882-1941).

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Edward Dolan said:

Mr. Varney burdens himself with a lot of facts (he has got to think for himself and can only
know what to think after he has gathered a lot of facts) and still is not able to think
correctly about anything. Now that is funny!

Yes, I do have to think for myself. And yes, I do use facts to help me make decisions, help me
understand things, and decide what to think. And it's at once both refreshing and pathetic that
you admit that you do not. And you seem to take pride in your ignorance and willingess to let
others do your thinking for you! Contrary to what you may have heard, ignorance is not bliss.
And it is certainly not something to be proud of. Sheep share your position, but we do have to
cut them a little slack.

When confronted with a fact it is necessary to evaluate it. And many times also, the source of the
fact has to be evaluated too. For instance, I have learned from bitter experience with
Mr. Sherman that his facts are highly suspect. My point is that judgement must be brought to bear to
decide what to think of a fact.

More often than not most facts brought to bear on an argument turn out to be irrelevant. Evaluation
of facts is critical, otherwise one can be falsely persuaded of something that is not true. Politics
is rife with this sort of thing. Normally, once you can get agreement on what facts are important
and relevant you can get pretty close to overall agreement.

But let us not worship facts. We still have to bring to bear our own thinking and that thinking is
for the most part not much determined by the facts. For instance, I can hardly ever agree with a
woman about anything. They always seem to be off the subject and do not even know what the subject
is. Obviously, we have different thinking processes going on and the facts are irrelevant. You do
not fall into that category as I do understand what you mean.

A fact by itself means next to nothing. It has to be placed into a hierarchy of facts and made to
fit into the overall scheme of things as determined by other facts which are hidden. The
Lorenzo-Turner dialogues on this thread are illustrative of this phenomenon, although they are both
reduced to calling one another crazy by now. But I can understand what their argument is about
because they are coming at it (their area of disagreement) from slightly different directions armed
with slightly different facts. It is a universal problem and it is never going to go away. We might
as well agree to disagree.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Lorenzo L. Love said:

So back to the subject: Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

I think that by now we have probably established that there isn't. So could you kindly stop asking?

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Lorenzo L. Love said:

So back to the subject: Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

I think that by now we have probably established that there isn't. So could you kindly
stop asking?

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It would be interesting if a handful of riders here would take Bigha up on their 60 day test ride. I
wonder if some would decide to keep it.

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John Rooker KC2KQT Rochester, NY

Lorenzo L. Love said:

John Rooker said:

It would be interesting if a handful of riders here would take Bigha up on their 60 day test
ride. I wonder if some would decide to keep it.

Who has $3000.00 to risk that they will stay in business long enough to honor that refund?

Thank you Lorenzo for a reasonable reply here.

Will you admit that you're repeating your more often asked question more than needed, considering
the likelyhood of any qualified response?

MIke Rice

Mike Rice said:

Lorenzo L. Love said:

John Rooker said:

It would be interesting if a handful of riders here would take Bigha up on their 60 day test
ride. I wonder if some would decide to keep it.

Who has $3000.00 to risk that they will stay in business long enough to honor that refund?

Thank you Lorenzo for a reasonable reply here.

Will you admit that you're repeating your more often asked question more than needed, considering
the likelyhood of any qualified response?

MIke Rice

If you don't have an answer, why do you feel compelled to answer? Will you put $3000.00 at risk to
test ride a Bigha?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“Never be sure of anything. It’s a sign of weakness” The Doctor

Dave Larrington said:

Lorenzo L. Love said:

So back to the subject: Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

I think that by now we have probably established that there isn't. So could you kindly
stop asking?

I think that we have established that you don't have any information on Bigha, nor are you
requesting any information, so there was no reason for you to post. I am looking for first hand
information from a Bigha purchaser. Any one who has actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00
price does have information, so please tell us about the bike.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“Never be sure of anything. It’s a sign of weakness” The Doctor

John Rooker said:

It would be interesting if a handful of riders here would take Bigha up on their 60 day test ride.
I wonder if some would decide to keep it.

Who has $3000.00 to risk that they will stay in business long enough to honor that refund?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"Reports that say something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there
are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is
to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones
we don't know we don't know." Donald Rumsfeld

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Dave Larrington said:

Lorenzo L. Love said:

So back to the subject: Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

I think that by now we have probably established that there isn't. So

could

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you kindly stop asking?

I think that we have established that you don't have any information on Bigha, nor are you
requesting any information, so there was no reason for you to post. I am looking for first hand
information from a Bigha purchaser. Any one who has actually purchased a Bigha for the full
$3000.00 price does have information, so please tell us about the bike.

Why not just ask Bigha for some customer referrals. It's clear that nobody here either:

a. has a Bigha and cares enough to respond to your inane question or
b. gives a rat's ass about the question in the first place.

Tom (I pick "b"😉 Thompson

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Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

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Why not just ask Bigha for some customer referrals. It's clear that nobody here either:

a. has a Bigha and cares enough to respond to your inane question or
b. gives a rat's ass about the question in the first place.

Tom (I pick "b"😉 Thompson

It could also be c. Fear of abuse by certain individuals here who can't understand why some people
WILL pay $3,000 for a bike like that

Mark Leuck said:

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Why not just ask Bigha for some customer referrals. It's clear that nobody here either:

a. has a Bigha and cares enough to respond to your inane question or
b. gives a rat's ass about the question in the first place.

Tom (I pick "b"😉 Thompson

It could also be c. Fear of abuse by certain individuals here who can't understand why some people
WILL pay $3,000 for a bike like that

Would you? Who would, except someone who has no idea of what other comparable recumbents cost?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of
discussion as in America." Alexis de Tocqueville

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It could also be c. Fear of abuse by certain individuals here who can't understand why some
people WILL pay $3,000 for a bike like that

Would you? Who would, except someone who has no idea of what other comparable recumbents cost?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

I wouldn't because I already have 2 bents and that type of bike isn't my style, however I would also
say that I wouldn't buy a BikeE, Sun, RANS (note the caps Tom), Giant or Haluzak for the same
reasons. Nothing wrong with them but I'd rather have a Baron or Jester or M5 Low Racer.

What you do not or chose not to understand is people exist out there who will buy a BigHa knowing
full well what other bents are out there because they like the style and/or the gadgets included
with the bike. Its the same reason why someone buys a $20,000 car and someone else buys one for
$60,000 even tho the more expensive car isn't 3x better.

I paid almost $3,000 for the Optima Baron but is it twice the bike that my $1500 Vision R50 is? No
but it is what I wanted and chose to buy and do not regret it one bit. Someone else will do the same
with BigHa.

Mark Leuck said:

"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It could also be c. Fear of abuse by certain individuals here who can't understand why some
people WILL pay $3,000 for a bike like that

Would you? Who would, except someone who has no idea of what other comparable recumbents cost?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

I wouldn't because I already have 2 bents and that type of bike isn't my style, however I would
also say that I wouldn't buy a BikeE, Sun, RANS (note the caps Tom), Giant or Haluzak for the same
reasons. Nothing wrong with them but I'd rather have a Baron or Jester or M5 Low Racer.

What you do not or chose not to understand is people exist out there who will buy a BigHa knowing
full well what other bents are out there because they like the style and/or the gadgets included
with the bike. Its the same reason why someone buys a $20,000 car and someone else buys one for
$60,000 even tho the more expensive car isn't 3x better.

I paid almost $3,000 for the Optima Baron but is it twice the bike that my $1500 Vision R50 is? No
but it is what I wanted and chose to buy and do not regret it one bit. Someone else will do the
same with BigHa.

Name one.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open.” Gunter Grass

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I wouldn't because I already have 2 bents and that type of bike isn't my style, however I would
also say that I wouldn't buy a BikeE, Sun, RANS

(note

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the caps Tom), Giant or Haluzak for the same reasons. Nothing wrong with them but I'd rather
have a Baron or Jester or M5 Low Racer.

What you do not or chose not to understand is people exist out there who will buy a BigHa
knowing full well what other bents are out there

because

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they like the style and/or the gadgets included with the bike. Its the

same

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reason why someone buys a $20,000 car and someone else buys one for

$60,000

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even tho the more expensive car isn't 3x better.

I paid almost $3,000 for the Optima Baron but is it twice the bike that

my

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$1500 Vision R50 is? No but it is what I wanted and chose to buy and do

not

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regret it one bit. Someone else will do the same with BigHa.

Name one.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

Philip McCready will be the first here to buy a BigHa

Mark Leuck said:

"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I wouldn't because I already have 2 bents and that type of bike isn't my style, however I would
also say that I wouldn't buy a BikeE, Sun, RANS

(note

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the caps Tom), Giant or Haluzak for the same reasons. Nothing wrong with them but I'd rather have
a Baron or Jester or M5 Low Racer.

What you do not or chose not to understand is people exist out there who will buy a BigHa knowing
full well what other bents are out there

because

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they like the style and/or the gadgets included with the bike. Its the

same

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reason why someone buys a $20,000 car and someone else buys one for

$60,000

Quoted message said:

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even tho the more expensive car isn't 3x better.

I paid almost $3,000 for the Optima Baron but is it twice the bike that

my

Quoted message said:

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$1500 Vision R50 is? No but it is what I wanted and chose to buy and do

not

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regret it one bit. Someone else will do the same with BigHa.

Name one.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

Philip McCready will be the first here to buy a BigHa

Who is Philip McCready and why can't he speak for himself?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"We recognize, however dimly, that greater efficiency, ease, and security may come at a substantial
price in freedom, that law and order can be a doublethink version of oppression, that individual
liberties surrendered for whatever good reason are freedom lost." Walter Cronkite, in the preface to
the 1984 edition of 1984

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"Reports that say something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know,
there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns;
that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns
-- the ones we don't know we don't know." Donald Rumsfeld

Wow! I couldn't have said this better myself!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Mark Leuck scribed with passion and wit:

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"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It could also be c. Fear of abuse by certain individuals here who can't understand why some
people WILL pay $3,000 for a bike like that

Would you? Who would, except someone who has no idea of what other comparable recumbents cost?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

I wouldn't because I already have 2 bents and that type of bike isn't my style, however I would
also say that I wouldn't buy a BikeE, Sun, RANS (note the caps Tom), Giant or Haluzak for the same
reasons. Nothing wrong with them but I'd rather have a Baron or Jester or M5 Low Racer.

What you do not or chose not to understand is people exist out there who will buy a BigHa knowing
full well what other bents are out there because they like the style and/or the gadgets included
with the bike. Its the same reason why someone buys a $20,000 car and someone else buys one for
$60,000 even tho the more expensive car isn't 3x better.

I paid almost $3,000 for the Optima Baron but is it twice the bike that my $1500 Vision R50 is? No
but it is what I wanted and chose to buy and do not regret it one bit. Someone else will do the
same with BigHa.

Just the way some people put pig ugly plastic buckets on a bent as panniers demonstrates that the
market is eclectic enough to support diversity.

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Ian

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