Bid for Funding (helmets not included)

Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

Well, you've got the title right ;-)

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:03:24 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

Well, you've got the title right ;-)

Sorry, Tony.

The title of the project is, "Cycling as a Life Skill". :-(

Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

With the caveat that I've never filled in one of these...

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Question 2.2

A short description of the proposed event or project - up to 300 words

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1. Life skill cycle training for all Year 2 pupils to

National standards

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Level 1.

2. On-road cycle training option for Year 4 pupils and parents to

National standards

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Level 2.

3. Advanced cycle training option for Year 6 pupils and parents to

National standards

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Level 3.

1. All Year 2 pupils who cannot yet ride a bike, about 20, will be
given instruction to ride for at least one minute without stopping.
The school's two Year 2 classes, 60 children, will be split into
groups of 12 children and given three Level 1 lessons as part of the
PE curriculum. This will give learning to cycle confidently an equal
status to learning to swim confidently, as a life skill. This
training will take place within the school day during the Autumn Term
2006 and Spring Term 2007.

2. Eleven complete novice Year 4 pupils have been given initial cycle
training with funding from last year's project. A further 31 Year 4
children have requested Level 1B/2 training, bringing the total to 42
children (70% of the cohort). Three adults have also requested Level
1B/2 training. The 45 trainees have been split into four groups and
will be given a six lesson training course during the Summer Term
2006, within and outside the school day, starting on 19th April 2006.

3. Year 6 pupils will be offered Level 3 training, outside the school
day, during the Autumn Term 2006 and Spring Term 2007. Following the
pilot Level 3 training course, funded by last year's project, the
course is to be extended from four to six weeks. The training will
include a cycle ride requiring the use of lights,

I'd lose this bit, to save words:

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part of which will be in an area without street lighting, so good
quality bicycle lights are essential.

It belongs in info to parents.

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Up to 32 children and adults can participate in the
training in four groups of no more than eight trainees.

I think you need to say a bit more about instructor/trainee ratios. In
particular, L3 training is generally done with one trainee per
instructor. You could check what the National Standard says.

Is this an application for a 'London Cycle Community Grant'?

Colin McKenzie

Tom Crispin said:

1. All Year 2 pupils who cannot yet ride a bike, about 20, will be
given instruction to ride for at least one minute without stopping.

"Oi, Bloggs. Ride for at least one minute without stopping!"
How about 'given instruction to enable them to ride for..'

...d

Tom Crispin said:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:03:24 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

Well, you've got the title right ;-)

Sorry, Tony.

The title of the project is, "Cycling as a Life Skill". :-(

I preferred "Bid for Funding (helmets not included)" ;-)

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

3. Year 6 pupils will be offered Level 3 training, outside the school
day, during the Autumn Term 2006 and Spring Term 2007.

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The training will
include a cycle ride requiring the use of lights, part of which will
be in an area without street lighting, so good quality bicycle lights
are essential.

I'm not sure why you are mentioning lights unless their purchase is part
of the bid. Don't they come under having a roadworthy bike (for riding in
the dark)?

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Up to 32 children and adults can participate in the
training in four groups of no more than eight trainees.

Is that 4 groups of 8?
That seems very large for level 3.

None of the L3 training we undertake is in a group of more than two. Most
is 1-to-1.

I am also very surprised that you are taking so many year 6 to such a
high level. IME *very* few year 6 are able to reach L3 My estimate on
those trained last year would be 1 in 100 could continue to level 3 soon
after level 2.
Most would need a good summer of practice first.

John B

Colin McKenzie said:

Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

With the caveat that I've never filled in one of these...

Quoted message said:

Question 2.2

A short description of the proposed event or project - up to 300 words

==========

1. Life skill cycle training for all Year 2 pupils to

National standards

Good.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Level 1.

2. On-road cycle training option for Year 4 pupils and parents to

National standards

Quoted message said:

Level 2.

3. Advanced cycle training option for Year 6 pupils and parents to

National standards

Quoted message said:

Level 3.

1. All Year 2 pupils who cannot yet ride a bike, about 20, will be
given instruction to ride for at least one minute without stopping.
The school's two Year 2 classes, 60 children, will be split into
groups of 12 children and given three Level 1 lessons as part of the
PE curriculum. This will give learning to cycle confidently an equal
status to learning to swim confidently, as a life skill. This
training will take place within the school day during the Autumn Term
2006 and Spring Term 2007.

2. Eleven complete novice Year 4 pupils have been given initial cycle
training with funding from last year's project. A further 31 Year 4
children have requested Level 1B/2 training, bringing the total to 42
children (70% of the cohort). Three adults have also requested Level
1B/2 training. The 45 trainees have been split into four groups and
will be given a six lesson training course during the Summer Term
2006, within and outside the school day, starting on 19th April 2006.

3. Year 6 pupils will be offered Level 3 training, outside the school
day, during the Autumn Term 2006 and Spring Term 2007. Following the
pilot Level 3 training course, funded by last year's project, the
course is to be extended from four to six weeks. The training will
include a cycle ride requiring the use of lights,

I'd lose this bit, to save words:

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part of which will be in an area without street lighting, so good
quality bicycle lights are essential.

It belongs in info to parents.

I agree that it's not part of a 'short description', it's a reason for
wanting good lights. I'll put it somewhere else in the application.
(Last time I was sent £4.99 Raleigh Light Sets.
www.raleighbikes.com/pandaproductdetails.aspx?ID=4931)

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Up to 32 children and adults can participate in the
training in four groups of no more than eight trainees.

I think you need to say a bit more about instructor/trainee ratios. In
particular, L3 training is generally done with one trainee per
instructor. You could check what the National Standard says.

From Child Cyclist Training - National Standard Guidelines (DoT)
Section 6.3
Advanced training will have pupil instructor ratios no greater than 2
to 1. Providers should also conside the child protection issues of
1:1 training. The course structure and organisation will be roughly
the same as an adult training session.

I work with the ratio 3:8. At some drills, one instructor sets the
trainees off, another instructor on the junction, and a third
receiving. At other drills, such as dual carriageways and filtering,
the site selected allows for a 'circular' trip, and the trainees set
off in pairs followed by an instructor.

Section 4c.2
Where advanced training is offered in schools, it need not be the aim
to deliver the whole of the Level 3 standard. [...] An example is
where the principal aim is to plan and ride safest route to and from
school in order to increase the number of children cycling to school.
[...]

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Is this an application for a 'London Cycle Community Grant'?

Yes. Thanks for your input.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:36:24 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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Tom Crispin said:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:03:24 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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Tom Crispin wrote:
> I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
> for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
> of the bid is welcome.
>
Well, you've got the title right ;-)

Sorry, Tony.

The title of the project is, "Cycling as a Life Skill". :-(

I preferred "Bid for Funding (helmets not included)" ;-)

Of that, I have little doubt. ;-)

David Martin said:

Tom Crispin said:

1. All Year 2 pupils who cannot yet ride a bike, about 20, will be
given instruction to ride for at least one minute without stopping.

"Oi, Bloggs. Ride for at least one minute without stopping!"
How about 'given instruction to enable them to ride for..'

Thanks. That sounds much better.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:54:00 +0000, John B <[email hidden]>

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Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

3. Year 6 pupils will be offered Level 3 training, outside the school
day, during the Autumn Term 2006 and Spring Term 2007.

Quoted message said:

The training will
include a cycle ride requiring the use of lights, part of which will
be in an area without street lighting, so good quality bicycle lights
are essential.

I'm not sure why you are mentioning lights unless their purchase is part
of the bid. Don't they come under having a roadworthy bike (for riding in
the dark)?

Lights are part of the bid. I'll drop the rationale in elsewhere.

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Up to 32 children and adults can participate in the
training in four groups of no more than eight trainees.

Is that 4 groups of 8?
That seems very large for level 3.

None of the L3 training we undertake is in a group of more than two. Most
is 1-to-1.

I am also very surprised that you are taking so many year 6 to such a
high level. IME *very* few year 6 are able to reach L3 My estimate on
those trained last year would be 1 in 100 could continue to level 3 soon
after level 2.
Most would need a good summer of practice first.

They have a year to practise. In future years, two years to practise.
I had thought of limiting Level 3 training to children already cycling
regularly to school, but if children are to cycle to school they need
experience of more than residential roads. Traffic lights are a fact
in Lewisham, and it's virtually impossible to avoid mini roundabouts
on Blackheath! How can parents feel secure allowing their children to
cycle on-road to school unless they are given the correct training to
deal with the local roads? These local roads include the A21, the A2,
the A20 and the South Circular Road, all within 5 minutes (10 minutes
for the SCR) cycle ride from the school.

Hampshire is a long way from London, but if you have some time to
spare in the Autumn Term I would be very happy to share experiences
with you. My parents have a house in Emsworth, and I know that I'd
benefit from seeing another instructor in a different region at work.

Tom Crispin said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

Version 2: (299 words)

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2.2 A short description of the proposed event or project - up to 300
words

==========

1. Life skill cycle training for all Year 2 pupils to National
Standard Level 1

2. On-road training for Year 4 pupils & parents to National Standard
Level 2

3. Advanced training for Year 6 pupils & parents to National Standard
Level 3

[Note - the wording is restricted to keep the first 3 lines to one
line on the form, the full stop at the end has been removed for this
purpose.]

1. All Year 2 pupils who cannot yet ride a bike, about 20, will be
given instruction to enable them to ride for at least one minute
without stopping. The school's two Year 2 classes, 60 children, will
be split into groups of 12 children and given three Level 1 lessons as
part of the PE curriculum. This will give learning to cycle
confidently an equal 'life skill' status as learning to swim
confidently. This training will take place within the school day
during the Autumn Term 2006 and Spring Term 2007.

2. Eleven complete novice Year 4 pupils have been given initial cycle
training with funding from last year's project. A further 31 Year 4
children have requested National Standard Level 1B/2 training,
bringing the total to 42 children, 70% of the cohort. Three adults
have also requested the training. The 45 trainees have been split
into four groups and will be given a six lesson training course during
the Summer Term 2006, within and outside the school day, starting on
19th April 2006.

3. Year 6 pupils will be offered Level 3 training, outside the school
day, during the Autumn Term 2006 and Spring Term 2007. Following the
pilot Level 3 training course, funded by last year's project, the
course is to be extended from four to six lessons. The training will
include a cycle ride requiring the use of lights. Up to 32 children
and adults can participate in the training in four groups of no more
than eight trainees with 3 instructors.

==========

Colin and John B, please note that I frequently work with several new
instructors and potential instructors, sent to me by Lewisham Road
Safety for experience. In addition, I have 3 experienced and
interested parents who frequently help out. It's not unusual for 5 or
6 adults to accompany a group. Regulations require that anyone who
has unsupervised contact with children has a full CRB check, this
often takes several weeks and would cost the school a small fortune.
Regular instructors and volunteers are checked by the school or the
borough. It is highly likely that 4 or more instructors, or
experienced adults, will accompany every Level 3 training lesson, 3
instructors is a minimum.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:19:50 +0000, Tom Crispin
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I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

Incidentally, Tom - sorry. I was a bit harsh. You know how it is: as
someone pointed out to me, the fact that I have been dealing with some
stupid examples of particularly stupid stupidity doesn't mean I can be
an [censored] to other people.

Guy
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85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

you know? said:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:19:50 +0000, Tom Crispin
<[email hidden]> said in
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I am currently writing a bid for further funding for Cycle Training
for the period April 2006 - March 2007. Any assistance on the wording
of the bid is welcome.

Incidentally, Tom - sorry. I was a bit harsh. You know how it is: as
someone pointed out to me, the fact that I have been dealing with some
stupid examples of particularly stupid stupidity doesn't mean I can be
an [censored] to other people.

No problem, Guy. I'm in a position where I have to enforce a school
rule. It is far better all round if I fully support the rule that do
so half-heartedly. (How much confidence would my trainees have in me
if I said that helmets were of little use, but they had to wear them
anyway?)

Not being convinced by either argument, and not experiencing any
detrimental effect to children wearing polystyrene and plastic, I have
no problem fully supporting their use for young novice cyclists and
those under instruction.

A serious head injury to an unhelmeted child cyclist taking part in
National Standard training in a school would almost certainly lead to
compulsory helmet use for all child cyclists.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:49:15 +0100 someone who may be Tom Crispin
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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(How much confidence would my trainees have in me
if I said that helmets were of little use, but they had to wear them
anyway?)

That depends on how sensible your (young) trainees are.

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A serious head injury to an unhelmeted child cyclist taking part in
National Standard training in a school would almost certainly lead to
compulsory helmet use for all child cyclists.

You may be right. However, I'm not convinced by your assertion.
Children have suffered serious injuries (and death) in a number of
school activities, but these activities haven't been banned.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen said:

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A serious head injury to an unhelmeted child cyclist taking part in
National Standard training in a school would almost certainly lead to
compulsory helmet use for all child cyclists.

You may be right. However, I'm not convinced by your assertion.
Children have suffered serious injuries (and death) in a number of
school activities, but these activities haven't been banned.

Each time a child is lost, usually in canoeing or potholing tragedies,
there is a Health and Safety Executive enquiry. Rules and regulation
invariably are tightened up - plus the national tabloids will make
their own judgements. I expect that the pressure for compulsion would
be too great for the Government to resist.

Fatal coach accidents are treated differently.

Tom Crispin said:

David Hansen said:

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A serious head injury to an unhelmeted child cyclist taking part in
National Standard training in a school would almost certainly lead
to compulsory helmet use for all child cyclists.

You may be right. However, I'm not convinced by your assertion.
Children have suffered serious injuries (and death) in a number of
school activities, but these activities haven't been banned.

Each time a child is lost, usually in canoeing or potholing
tragedies, there is a Health and Safety Executive enquiry. Rules
and regulation invariably are tightened up - plus the national
tabloids will make their own judgements. I expect that the pressure
for compulsion would be too great for the Government to resist.

Fatal coach accidents are treated differently.

Obviously! It has a motor so no-one can be to blame, can they?

Chris
--
Chris Eilbeck