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  1. I sent in my $100 this morning. I hope everyone else
    does, too.

  2. Quoted message said:

    I sent in my $100 this morning. I hope everyone else
    does, too.

    No offense to Peter B, but I've chosen to donate to Dr Barrett & Quackwatch as
    they are much closer geographically.

    I'm considering sending the money to Peter B next time.

  3. Maybe you could give him some feedback, drop him a line with some
    suggestions such as how to include references to back his claims up.
    Just to make sure your money is spent in fact, rather than assumptions?
    Anth

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I sent in my $100 this morning. I hope everyone else
    does, too.

    No offense to Peter B, but I've chosen to donate to Dr Barrett &


    Quackwatch as

    Quoted message said:

    they are much closer geographically.

    I'm considering sending the money to Peter B next time.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Maybe you could give him some feedback, drop him a line with some
    suggestions such as how to include references to back his claims up.
    Just to make sure your money is spent in fact, rather than assumptions?
    Anth

    It would be nice if www.QuackWatch.org (that URL again: www.QuackWatch.org)
    would have a bibliographic reference to the 6 attempted replications of the
    Sloan Laetrile trials. The author of that article, Benjamin Wilson MD, does
    include links to well designed studies which show that Laetrile does not
    benefit cancer patients and it does cause cyanide toxicity in an unacceptable
    %.

    It is very clear to anyone who reads the abundant literature cited in Dr
    Wilson's article, that Laetrile has been tested more than a few times. It is
    no assumption that it is a quack method. It is deadly to assume that
    otherwise.

    N Engl J Med. 1982 Jan 28;306(4):201-6. Related Articles, Links

    A clinical trial of amygdalin (Laetrile) in the treatment of human cancer.

    Moertel CG, Fleming TR, Rubin J, Kvols LK, Sarna G, Koch R, Currie VE, Young
    CW, Jones SE, Davignon JP.

    One hundred seventy-eight patients with cancer were treated with amygdalin
    (Laetrile) plus a "metabolic therapy" program consisting of diet, enzymes, and
    vitamins. The great majority of these patients were in good general condition
    before treatment. None was totally disabled or in preterminal condition. One
    third had not received any previous chemotherapy. The pharmaceutical
    preparations of amygdalin, the dosage, and the schedule were representative of
    past and present Laetrile practice. No substantive benefit was observed in
    terms of cure, improvement or stabilization of cancer, improvement of symptoms
    related to cancer, or extension of life span. The hazards of amygdalin therapy
    were evidenced in several patients by symptoms of cyanide toxicity or by blood
    cyanide levels approaching the lethal range. Patients exposed to this agent
    should be instructed about the danger of cyanide poisoning, and their blood
    cyanide levels should be carefully monitored. Amygdalin (Laetrile) is a toxic
    drug that is not effective as a cancer treatment.

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    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I sent in my $100 this morning. I hope everyone else
    does, too.

    No offense to Peter B, but I've chosen to donate to Dr Barrett &


    Quackwatch as

    Quoted message said:

    they are much closer geographically.

    I'm considering sending the money to Peter B next time.


  5. "Anth" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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    I saw this trial and there was serious doubts to whether there was


    actually

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    Laetrile in their medications.
    (One doctor tested it for purity and found that it contained no Laetrile


    at

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    all)
    Anth

    source?

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    But that's okay, see the children bleed
    It'll look great on the TV

  6. World Without Cancer G Edward Griffin
    Anth

    "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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    Quoted message said:

    I saw this trial and there was serious doubts to whether there was


    actually

    Quoted message said:

    Laetrile in their medications.
    (One doctor tested it for purity and found that it contained no Laetrile


    at

    Quoted message said:

    all)
    Anth

    source?

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    But that's okay, see the children bleed
    It'll look great on the TV

  7. From: "Steve Harris" <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
    Subject: Re: Philip E. Binzel, Jr., M.D. on laetrile toxicity
    Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:37:19 -0700

    john wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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    And they have been saying for years you can't use laetrile due to its
    cyanide content.

    john

    No, they've only been saying you can't EAT laetrile, because of its
    cyanide content. Injecting it is safe enough, but the issue there
    is lack of efficacy, not safety. It's legal for doctors to inject, in
    some states. The FDA can do little about this, unless it's sold
    across state lines for this purpose.

    SBH

  8. http://yarchive.net/med/laetrile.html
    Anth

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    World Without Cancer G Edward Griffin
    Anth

    Who was the Dr who tested it for "purity"?

    Quoted message said:


    "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I saw this trial and there was serious doubts to whether there was


    actually

    Quoted message said:

    Laetrile in their medications.
    (One doctor tested it for purity and found that it contained no Laetrile


    at

    Quoted message said:

    all)
    Anth

    source?

    --

    Robert Bronsing

  10. (Ilsa9) said:


    Who was the Dr who tested it for "purity"?

    Dr. Seuss

  11. And if I told you what difference would it make?
    You would be of the same opinion still.
    Anth

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    World Without Cancer G Edward Griffin
    Anth

    Who was the Dr who tested it for "purity"?

    Quoted message said:


    "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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    > I saw this trial and there was serious doubts to whether there was
    actually
    > Laetrile in their medications.
    > (One doctor tested it for purity and found that it contained no


    Laetrile

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    at
    > all)
    > Anth

    source?

    --

    Robert Bronsing

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    And if I told you what difference would it make?
    You would be of the same opinion still.
    Anth

    I don't think that the story is true, but if there are actual names of actual
    people who were actually involved, I might change my mind. I have a feeling
    that the doctor in question is just a "nameless source". Prove me wrong.

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    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    World Without Cancer G Edward Griffin
    Anth

    Who was the Dr who tested it for "purity"?

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