Beijing Shenanigans

lance said:

The female winner?...oh she got busted for steroids the next day in
a 10K she was racing in.

My god, I don't think even M Wardian in this country could medal in a
high level 10k the day after winning a marathon. C'mon, no testing
needed here to answer the question "steroids?" - but maybe someone
should study her, find out what the hell she was taking, how much, and
how she tolerated it without spontaneously combusting. I mean, that's
just an impressive feat even allowing for "anything goes"
chemically/medically.

Or maybe this chick just really knows how to taper...

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Have you all been reading about this race from a week ago? Fortunately
only 1 death, the male Kenyan winner circumvented the course at the
finish by 800 meters near the finish and was not DQ, his time was
tossed but he still was awarded as the winner.

Man, you should take up tabloid journalism.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/more/10/16/beijing.marathon.ap/index.html

He just followed the broadcast van. Simple mistake. You make it
seem like he intentionally circumvented the course. Why would he
do that? He was already more than 5 minutes ahead of the second guy.
And if he wanted to do a Rosie Ruiz, don't you think he'd be smart
enough NOT to try it right behind a broadcast van and NOT right
near the end when he's more likely to get caught?

So, they gave him the win but not the time. Fair enough, especially
after having run 2 hours and 5+ minutes and all but 0.5 mile. If I
were the second place guy, I'd not be complaining.

jobs

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Man, you should take up tabloid journalism.

Knot his fawlt, he's still werkin' on his GED.

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jobs, i stated fact, that's all. i then went further opened for
discussion how rigorous marathons are in adhering to the letter of

you did state the facts but the tabloid journalism crack came into play when
you categorized what he did as 'shenanigans'. it was an honest
mistake...which doesnt mean he doesnt get DQ'ed IMO but it certainly changes
the flavor of the infraction.

Gee, this story is just one in a long line of similar tales, which
contradicts the "We're runners, and we're great people!" vibe you all
keep trying to perpetuate here.

THE VICAR said:

[who cares; I'm just happy to see THE VICAR]
[and no, that's no banana in my pocket]

VICAR,

I realize it's poor form, but if you'll allow a running question: are
you still (or were you ever... I was 70% convinced you were serious at
the time) planning to run Filthydelphia's marathon? How's that going?

I was there last weekend for a wedding, not having been in over a
quarter century. Nice town, at least the center city. And it shows
especially well at 5:30 AM, just me, a few other assorted miscreants,
and the rats. A weekend or two's exploration is now on my agenda.

Yr pal,
Pendejo

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jobs, i stated fact, that's all. i then went further opened for
discussion how rigorous marathons are in adhering to the letter of the
law/rules as applied to the professionals in the field, _no excuses_.

Lance, if you'd ever had any experience being near the front of a race (for
more than the first 5 seconds, that is), I'm sure you'd see things
a little differently. But you haven't, so let me try to explain it to you.

It is the responsibility of the race organisers to provide lead vehicles to
direct the runners. This is not supposed to be an orienteering race. It is
hard enough to lead without having to bring a map with you. If you are either
leading, or in a top place in a spread-out field, you absolutely *will* get
lost on most road courses, unless the race officials provide some assistance.

If the race organisers didn't provide lead vehicles and didn't keep the media
from obscuring them, it's their fault, not the runners.

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i also gave an example of how in the sport of Golf....professionals are
DQ'ed for the most minor of mistakes...

It's a question of responsibility.

You don't get disqualified for someone elses mistake.

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I think 3-4 years ago...in the elite women's field....in the NYC
Marathon....one elite woman received a cup of water (or gatorade) from
another runner...this all happend in stride and was a clear violation.

Is it ? What's the rule in question ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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It is the responsibility of the race organisers to provide lead vehicles to

direct the runners.
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i don't think that's right donovan. i believe the professional receive
a listing of the event (rules/course, etc.) and no where in their is it
stated the lead vehicles "direct" course direction. i don't know this
as fact however do you know as fact what you're asserting?

and i'll have you know i have lead a race before and it was more than 5
seconds. in fact it lasted a whole 25-30 seconds!

and i sense you're further wrong in your view because the elites in big
city marathons are told to FOLLOW THE LINE....you forgot about that one
donovan didn't you? In NYC, the Blue Line...don't know Chicago's
color....but Beijing likely had a line too. So even if you are in the
lead....in Big Marathons there's always a line. It's not too hard to
follow the line on the road now is it Donnie?

So are you running in the NYC Marathon Donovan or what? Yes, No? if
so, what color is your start?

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Quoted message said:

It is the responsibility of the race organisers to provide lead vehicles to

direct the runners.
___

i don't think that's right donovan. i believe the professional receive
a listing of the event (rules/course, etc.)

You received a course map of the new york city marathon in your packet too,
right ?

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and no where in their is it stated the lead vehicles "direct" course
direction.

I just checked this. USATF are very thorough and require at least the
following:

(1) Monitors at all turns and major intersections
(2) The route should be free as possible of vehicular traffic (so as not to
interfere with the runners!)
(3) a lead vehicle and other vehicles should be provided

The IAAF rules only require the line.

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and i sense you're further wrong in your view because the elites in big
city marathons are told to FOLLOW THE LINE....you forgot about that one
donovan didn't you? In NYC, the Blue Line...don't know Chicago's
color....but Beijing likely had a line too. So even if you are in the
lead....in Big Marathons there's always a line. It's not too hard to
follow the line on the road now is it Donnie?

But we don't know if there was a line. Either way, having the lead vehicle
making wrong turns does make it confusing. Television crews should not
interfere with the race in this manner.

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So are you running in the NYC Marathon Donovan or what? Yes, No? if
so, what color is your start?

No, not this year.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Miss Anne Thrope said:

Gee, this story is just one in a long line of similar tales, which
contradicts the "We're runners, and we're great people!" vibe you all
keep trying to perpetuate here.

At least we're better than you pseudo-intellectual golfers.

tkb

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THE VICAR said:

[who cares; I'm just happy to see THE VICAR]
[and no, that's no banana in my pocket]

VICAR,

I realize it's poor form, but if you'll allow a running question: are
you still (or were you ever... I was 70% convinced you were serious at
the time) planning to run Filthydelphia's marathon? How's that going?

hey brother! Yes. i'm signed up and ready...well...as ready as i'm going to
be. been working like crazy so squeezing in the running has been tough and
the anti-bill guy that was flooding the group was a little annoying...its
unbelievable but trolls are like onions. there are layers and when one layer
gets worse than another layer it all starts to smell...or something...the
metaphor gets stressed.

i was in philly yesterday. my niece was swimming at la salle u. i live
outside of the city but i rarely get in. i love going to center city
although i've never run there. i take the kids in a couple of times a year
so they can hear how Ben Franklin invented just about everthing worthwhile
including x-box.

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I was there last weekend for a wedding, not having been in over a
quarter century. Nice town, at least the center city. And it shows
especially well at 5:30 AM, just me, a few other assorted miscreants,
and the rats. A weekend or two's exploration is now on my agenda.

Yr pal,
Pendejo