been missing out

I've never understood it, but there are many people in the world who seem to think that by making
others look bad, it makes themselves look better. In reality it doesn't, but they do have themselves
fooled into believing it. It is a shame. I'm glad your daughters see things the way they really are
- they know you so much better!

Joyce

Deb in Northern California said:

My mom is so jealous of the relationship I have with my girls, she tries to undermine it and tell
them some nasty things about me when I am not around, either via email or when they see her and I
am not there. They have gotten to the point that they tell her that if I am mentioned when they
are visiting with her, they will just leave as they know that the things she says are not the
truth about their mom, they know me better than she does. Needless to say, mom and I don't get
along great.

Debbie

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When my mom was more lucid, she would tell me she was envious of my

relationship

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with my children. I don't know why we are closer, other than maybe my

kids just

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don't fear me? They know there isn't anything bad enough that they can't

talk

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about. We *try* to avoid screaming matches, I grew up with them and

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they don't solve a danged thing. There are other times though, that I

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wish we weren't so close. I feel every dang one of their pains worse than

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do. <sigh>

Joyce

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We must have gone to the same school of childrearing together. Sometimes you hear things you'd
rather not know, but I have a great relationship with both of my daughters. My mother is quite
envious of the closeness I share with them.

Prairie Roots

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>I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My

oldest

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so

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drink

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>metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I think she has had only
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>
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>themselves. And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest
>is very open with me and has told

me

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>things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage

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>private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.
>
>Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid
>something,
>> all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much

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>> condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself

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>> it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is
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>> Joyce
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>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
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>> >I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try

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>> >Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of
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>> >
>> >Debbie
>> >
>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no
>muss,
>> >no fuss
>> >> ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So

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>> >> than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to
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>other
>> >than by
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>> >> I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe
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>> >> syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of

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>> >> home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>
>> >>
>> >> Joyce
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff
>like
>> >> >chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
>> >> >
>> >> >Evil
>> >> >
>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> >> >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to

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>>
>

I do know how fortunate I have been in the way the kids look out for each other. I don't know how or
why it happened, and I'm sure not going to complain. LOL! They still have their *moments* on
occassion ... tonite was one of them. <G> Big brother loves to goad little sister, she hasn't yet
listened to me about just ignoring him when he gets into this game. Ignoring removes the fun, the
game stops when it is no longer fun. She prolongs it ... makes me wonder if she really likes it. LOL

Joyce

Deb in Northern California said:

That is great that they take care of each other that way. My oldest tries to mother her sister and
her sister rebels. She rebels more against her older sister than she does against me. I guess that
is a good thing, as I can tell the older one to stop mothering her and all is better for a while.

Debbie

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Unfortunately, my son doesn't seem to have that alcohol intolerant gene in

his

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body. <G> But he is smart (somewhat) and remains safe, practices what he considers
responsibility. He is pretty open with me, to a point. There

are some

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things though that a mom just doesn't need to know. <G> What I find most amusing/interesting is
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closed mouth with each others *secrets* (they are very close) until they

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weeks ago I was out to lunch with my son, he told me to keep my eyes open

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baby sis as one of her friends was pushing her to skip classes with him.

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'nuff said, will do. Last week baby sis told me big brother was having

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at school (no news to me) and she was really worried about him ... he

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mom, he REALLY isn't happy mom and I'm scared. OK - time for mom to act

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one and find out what the heck is going on. Which brings us to the most

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stress and problems. BUT - once approached he was very open, lots of

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fears expressed and soul searching done. I hate to think what may have

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had things progressed too far, or if each of the kids didn't have a little

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*squealer* in them. <G>

Joyce

Deb in Northern California said:

I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My

oldest

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(will be in 20 in a week) is away at college like your son is. She was

so

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funny last year, she called me and asked if it was okay if she had a

drink

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with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and she

knew

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the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her just don't drive and
don't get in the car with anyone. She ended up

having

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one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like me and lacks the enzyme

to

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metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I think she has had only
one drink since then and it did not effect her

that

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way.

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themselves. And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest is
very open with me and has told

me

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things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage

daughters

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private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid
something,
> all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much

rather

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at least
> know that the line of communication is still open and at least know

when

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they are
> doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal
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> first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I
don't
> condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself

in

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the
> situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...
regardless as to
> whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions

asked,

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no
> repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would
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> get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or

morgue.

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So far
> it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is
staying
> whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be

returned

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in the
> am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew
she was
> not leaving the house.
>
> I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things though.
My son is
> 19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope,

not

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unless
> parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning

keys

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over to
> me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent -

even

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if I do
> know what their kids do when away from home.
>
> Joyce
>
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try

to

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get
> >to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a

party

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or
> >having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for

me

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to
> >make them.
> >
> >Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of
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> >they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to

only

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have
> >them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.
> >
> >Debbie
> >
> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> >> mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no
muss,
> >no fuss
> >> ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So

much

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> >smoother
> >> than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to
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> >> Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,
other
> >than by
> >> me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun

option.

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<G>
> >>
> >> I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe
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> >chocolate
> >> syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of

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> >coffee
> >> flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than

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> >creamer and
> >> 10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with
> >icecubes and
> >> crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge

before

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hub
> >gets
> >> home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
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> >>
> >> >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff
like
> >> >chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
> >> >
> >> >Evil
> >> >
> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to

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> >;-)
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>

they are almost as evil as cheesecake, Lee
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Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.

You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...

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freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was

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give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.

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how many points in a mudslide??

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> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.

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4:30 I
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(or
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corn - ate
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in and
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towards a
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>
> Today is another day, life goes on.
>
> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go for

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> Joyce
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> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>

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> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? 🙂🙂... I have done really well the

past 3

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> >
> >
> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
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> >there is
> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.

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> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
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> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots in

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> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations

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> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and there

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> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"

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> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of Three

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> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the

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> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
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> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.

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> >fun.
> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you can't
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> >> >> >> WI!!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
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> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program

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> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
> ><[email hidden]>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have been
> >drinking 0
> >> >> >point
> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the

southern

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> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better

soon.

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> >> >generally
> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
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Oh, that mud would slide down well! (G) As I wrote elsewhere, I settled for Port tonight.

Lesanne said:

It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff like chocolate syrup in one
recipe I saw, vodka in another....

Evil

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I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!

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>That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run it.

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Then the 6 points I gave it probably wasn't too far out of line, at least

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half-as*ed close guess. <G> It's something that is definitely a treat,

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everyday occassion. But heck, I drink so little now that I honestly do

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effects after a single one. Tuck me in, put me to bed - I am a happy

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The recipe I use has an ounce and a half of Baileys Irish Cream, A half ounce Kahlua, an ounce of
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edge of a rocks glass and pour the rest in over ice. I figure 6 - 8

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for That puppy.

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a

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those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>

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>how many points in a mudslide??
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>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.

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>corn - ate
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gave

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>> Today is another day, life goes on.
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>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go

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it!

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go

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>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.

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>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations

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>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
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>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better

soon.

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>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> >> ><[email hidden]>
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>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start

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I would toss that for sure. And that would also be about 50 points I bet

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Oh my, 24 oz??!!! I would be ready to sleep by the time I got a quarter

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way through. LOL

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<[email hidden]>

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the lodge at starved rock serves it that way, is wonderful, and really relaxing at a drink being
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hmmmmmmmmm, a mudslide milkshake. Now THAT would be an interesting

treat!

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>also one of the few ways I like ice-cream, Lee Lesanne <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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like

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>>
>> Evil
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>> "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
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>> > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run

it.

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>

I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My oldest (will be in 20 in a week)
is away at college like your son is. She was so funny last year, she called me and asked if it was
okay if she had a drink with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and she knew
the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her just don't drive and don't
get in the car with anyone. She ended up having one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like me
and lacks the enzyme to metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I
think she has had only one drink since then and it did not effect her that way.

I am a firm believer of giving the kids enough rope to get out, but not enough to hang themselves.
And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest is very open with
me and has told me things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage daughters
private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

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I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid

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all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much rather

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know that the line of communication is still open and at least know when

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first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I

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condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself in

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situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...

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whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions asked,

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repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would

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get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or morgue.

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it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is

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whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be returned

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am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew

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not leaving the house.

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19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope, not

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me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent - even

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know what their kids do when away from home.

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mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no

muss,

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no fuss

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... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much

smoother

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me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option.

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flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy

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>
>Evil
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>> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
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>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run

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You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a few
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So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a bar? I
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ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of

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probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it

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You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...

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>>> Today is another day, life goes on.
>>>
>>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go

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>>> >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
>>stressed,
>>> >there is
>>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.

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>>I
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<sigh>

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>>> >> Joyce
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>>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots

in her

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>>> >> >stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason

has

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>>> >back
>>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations

which

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>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and

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>>> >> >> normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also

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>>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"

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>>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of

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>>> >> >I
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>>> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the

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>>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
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>>> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.

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>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
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>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program

again,

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>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> ><[email hidden]>
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>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have

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>>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better

soon.

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>>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired

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>>> >> >generally
>>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
>>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> >> ><[email hidden]>
>>> >> >> >> >wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start

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>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet

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not to mention the fact that alcohol evaporated REALLY easily, thus carrying away calories with
it.......*grin*

--
krys

UK 157/132/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 ...definitely making progress...

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These drinks are pretty hard to get a definite point count on, as everyone

makes

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them differently. The Friday's brand of mudslides that is purchased

commercially

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only has rum and non-dairy creamer in it - the rest is artificial

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irish cream, no coffee liqueur - so points should be a bit lower. On

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the restaurant listing for TGI Fridays, it gives 6.5 points (I think ...

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5.5) for a 3 ounce blended mudslide. That's 3 points difference from this

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you found on the same website!

BUT .. maybe we can look at it as liquid points - some of that point total

has got

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to come out of us pretty quickly - thus not counting .. right? <G>

Joyce

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Ok on Dotties Weight Loss Zone here is what she says on Mudslides, and a

few

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others..... Top 5 worst drinks:
1. Margarita in a pint glass (2 oz. tequila, 2 oz. margarita/sour mix, 1

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triple sec, lime juice, 1 tsp. sugar) - 550 calories (11)
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417 calories (8.5)
3. Long Island Ice Tea (1 oz. vodka, gin, rum, tequila, and triple sec, 2 oz. sour mix, splash of
cola) - 380 calories (8)
4. White Russian (1.5 oz. vodka, 1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. cream) - 320 calories (6.5)
5. Piña Colada (1.5 oz. rum, 1.5 oz. coconut cream, 3 oz. pineapple

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293 calories (6)

So I was right....blew the whole wad of flex points! lol

My mom is so jealous of the relationship I have with my girls, she tries to undermine it and tell
them some nasty things about me when I am not around, either via email or when they see her and I
am not there. They have gotten to the point that they tell her that if I am mentioned when they
are visiting with her, they will just leave as they know that the things she says are not the
truth about their mom, they know me better than she does. Needless to say, mom and I don't get
along great.

Debbie

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When my mom was more lucid, she would tell me she was envious of my

relationship

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with my children. I don't know why we are closer, other than maybe my

kids just

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don't fear me? They know there isn't anything bad enough that they can't

talk

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about. We *try* to avoid screaming matches, I grew up with them and

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they don't solve a danged thing. There are other times though, that I

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wish we weren't so close. I feel every dang one of their pains worse than

they

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do. <sigh>

Joyce

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We must have gone to the same school of childrearing together. Sometimes you hear things you'd
rather not know, but I have a great relationship with both of my daughters. My mother is quite
envious of the closeness I share with them.

Prairie Roots

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I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My

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(will be in 20 in a week) is away at college like your son is. She was

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funny last year, she called me and asked if it was okay if she had a

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the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told

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just don't drive and don't get in the car with anyone. She ended up

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one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like me and lacks the

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metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I think she has had only
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way.

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things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage

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private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid
something,
> all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much

rather

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> first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I
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> condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself

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no
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So far
> it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is
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> whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be

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in the
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> Joyce
>
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
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> >I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try

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> >Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of
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> >Debbie
> >
> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> >> mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no
muss,
> >no fuss
> >> ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So

much

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> >> than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to
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> >> Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,
other
> >than by
> >> me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun

option.

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<G>
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> >> I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe
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> >> syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of

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> >> home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
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> >>
> >> >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff
like
> >> >chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
> >> >
> >> >Evil
> >> >
> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to

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>

That is great that they take care of each other that way. My oldest tries to mother her sister and
her sister rebels. She rebels more against her older sister than she does against me. I guess that
is a good thing, as I can tell the older one to stop mothering her and all is better for a while.

Debbie

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his

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body. <G> But he is smart (somewhat) and remains safe, practices what he considers responsibility.
He is pretty open with me, to a point. There

are some

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things though that a mom just doesn't need to know. <G> What I find most amusing/interesting is
how the two youngest kids protect each other. They

remain

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closed mouth with each others *secrets* (they are very close) until they

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other one is in danger of doing something incredibly stupid or dangerous.

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weeks ago I was out to lunch with my son, he told me to keep my eyes open

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baby sis as one of her friends was pushing her to skip classes with him.

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'nuff said, will do. Last week baby sis told me big brother was having

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at school (no news to me) and she was really worried about him ... he

isn't happy

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mom, he REALLY isn't happy mom and I'm scared. OK - time for mom to act

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one and find out what the heck is going on. Which brings us to the most

recent

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stress and problems. BUT - once approached he was very open, lots of

tears shed,

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had things progressed too far, or if each of the kids didn't have a little

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*squealer* in them. <G>

Joyce

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I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My

oldest

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(will be in 20 in a week) is away at college like your son is. She was

so

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funny last year, she called me and asked if it was okay if she had a

drink

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with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and she

knew

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the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her just don't drive and
don't get in the car with anyone. She ended up

having

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one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like me and lacks the enzyme

to

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metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I think she has had only
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that

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way.

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themselves. And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest is
very open with me and has told

me

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things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage

daughters

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private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid

something,

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all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much

rather

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at least

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know that the line of communication is still open and at least know

when

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they are

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doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal

behavior). The

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first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I

don't

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condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself

in

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the

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situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...

regardless as to

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whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions

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no

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repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would

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get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or

morgue.

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it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is

staying

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whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be

returned

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in the

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am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew

she was

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not leaving the house.

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19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope,

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unless

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parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning

keys

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me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent -

even

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if I do

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know what their kids do when away from home.

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
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>I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try

to

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get

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party

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or

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>having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for

me

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to

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>make them.
>
>Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of

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>they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to

only

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have

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>them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.
>
>Debbie
>
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>> mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no

muss,

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>no fuss
>> ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So

much

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>smoother
>> than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to

adore).

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>> Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,

other

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>than by
>> me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun

option.

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<G>

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>>
>> I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe

some

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>chocolate
>> syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of

chocolate

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and

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>coffee
>> flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than

non-dairy

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>creamer and
>> 10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with
>icecubes and
>> crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge

before

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>> Joyce
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>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>

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>> >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff

like

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>> >Evil
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to

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Ah I forgot that Washington state was like this. We have liquor available on every corner and at the
grocers and anywhere else you would like it. So I forget other states are not like that.

Debbie

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I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I recall, was when I was
about to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes - not kidding.

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You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a few
others that are all made up and ready to drink.

Debbie

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So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a
bar? I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)

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>Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for

years and

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>>You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...
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>>>>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about

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>>>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets

knots

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>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food

temptations

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EVE.

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>>>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real

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>>>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have

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soon.

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>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
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>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and

start

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I have a theory here, I rarely drink and eat ice-cream less than I drink. I
also rarely eat sugary type items. For example, five miss m's is all I can
get down if I have hot tea or coffee with them. I think the booze was
relaxing but the sugar kept me awake to drink more. Lee
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Oh my, 24 oz??!!! I would be ready to sleep by the time I got a quarter

of the

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way through. LOL

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:34:48 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>

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the lodge at starved rock serves it that way, is wonderful, and really relaxing at a drink being
in a 24 oz shake cup, Lee, hic Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hmmmmmmmmm, a mudslide milkshake. Now THAT would be an interesting

treat!

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<G>

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<[email hidden]>

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>It is one of the few alcoholic drinks I actually think tastes good,

and

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>> It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff

like

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>> chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
>>
>> Evil
>>
>> "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
>> >
>> > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run

it.

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>> >
>>
>>
>

OK what I had was both types combined, every ingredient you listed plus a
couple more and ice-cream no ice, and man were they excellent, I think... I
can't recall very clearly... Lee
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I make mine the similar to the Applebee's way.

French Vanilla ice cream, chocolate syrup and kahlua, blended in a blender until mixed well. Of
course it is really just a chocolate milkshake with kahlua in it, but really good. I have people
ask me to make them for them all the time.

The traditional way is kahlua, Irish cream and vodka, blended with ice.

Debbie

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I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!

frood said:

That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run it.

;-)

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This logic is why I am not a big drinker, I am sure, that and my violent
allergic reaction to beer, Lee
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I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try to

get

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to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a party

or

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having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for me to make them.

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they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to only

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them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.

Debbie

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mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no muss,

no fuss

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... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much

smoother

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than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to

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me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option.

<G>

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I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe some

chocolate

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syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of chocolate

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coffee

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flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy

creamer and

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10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with

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crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge before

hub

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gets

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It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff like chocolate syrup in one
recipe I saw, vodka in another....

Evil

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> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
>
> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run

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>

I live in Texas and it is different depending on where you live. I just happen to live in a dry
county. NO alcohol whatsoever. You can drive to the next county about 20 miles away and buy it, but
not here. We have 2 privately owned clubs and one restaraunt that sells alcohol but you have to
purchase a membership to be able to drink anything. Kind of nice in some ways. 🙂 But WAAAAAY
different than anywhere else in the world I have lived!

ahhh but la this was in the before time so I didn't know that, I am not
gonna tell you after I had the first two I cannot honestly say if I had
three or four or, well you get the picture. DH said he hoped we never came
back to that place again as either the booze or ice-cream made me snore
really bad, Lee
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I would toss that for sure. And that would also be about 50 points I bet

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Oh my, 24 oz??!!! I would be ready to sleep by the time I got a quarter

of the

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way through. LOL

Joyce

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<[email hidden]>

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the lodge at starved rock serves it that way, is wonderful, and really relaxing at a drink
being in a 24 oz shake cup, Lee, hic Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> hmmmmmmmmm, a mudslide milkshake. Now THAT would be an interesting

treat!

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<G>
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> Joyce
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> On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:51:17 -0600, "Miss Violette"
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>
> >It is one of the few alcoholic drinks I actually think tastes good,

and

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> >also one of the few ways I like ice-cream, Lee Lesanne <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> >> It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff

like

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> >>
> >> Evil
> >>
> >> "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> > I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >> > >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to

out-run

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> >;-)
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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>

One of my favorite things when we visited DS & family when he was stationed in Puerto Rico -
mudslides. They're luscious! Or, Painkillers - we had them at the Soggy Dollar Bar on Jost Van Dyke!
Haven't had either for years. After we found DH was diabetic, and I'm trying to lose weight, our
drinking days are just about over! But, I sure remember how good they were.
:-)

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how many points in a mudslide??

I no longer drink, as my body lacks the enzyme to metabolize it properly and even after one drink I
have an awful hangover that lasts for a couple of days afterwards. Basically, I have one drink on
Friday night with dinner and I am wiped out for the entire weekend, with cotton mouth, terrible
headaches and very lethargic. It is not worth drinking at all, the way it makes me feel the next
day or so.

Debbie

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to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a

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or

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having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for me

to

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make them.

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they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to only

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them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.

Debbie

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mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no

muss,

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no fuss

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... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much

smoother

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than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to

adore).

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Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,

other

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than by

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me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option.

<G>

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some

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chocolate

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syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of chocolate

and

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coffee

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flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy

creamer and

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10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with

icecubes and

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crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge before

hub

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gets

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home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>

Joyce

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>

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>It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff

like

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>chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
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>> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
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>> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run

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They also have something similar at Bubba Gump's Shrimp Company, called Mama's Favorite Drink, it is
vanilla frozen yogurt, kahlua and amaretto, that one is tasty too.

Debbie

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OK what I had was both types combined, every ingredient you listed plus a couple more and ice-
cream no ice, and man were they excellent, I think...

I

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can't recall very clearly... Lee Deb in Northern California <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I make mine the similar to the Applebee's way.

French Vanilla ice cream, chocolate syrup and kahlua, blended in a

blender

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until mixed well. Of course it is really just a chocolate milkshake

with

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kahlua in it, but really good. I have people ask me to make them for

them

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all the time.

The traditional way is kahlua, Irish cream and vodka, blended with ice.

Debbie

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I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run it.

;-)

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