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  1. Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.

    You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...

    Joyce said:

    Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it is a freebie. <G> I took a
    stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was willing to give it and it took me within a few points
    of the low end of my target. Gotta use those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger
    glass. <G>

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    how many points in a mudslide??

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm. At


    4:30 I

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    finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the fridge


    ...

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    actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into eating


    something

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    for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle soup


    (or

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    something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can of


    corn - ate

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    2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30 I gave


    in and

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    had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me warm!!!


    I didn't

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    bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has resumed


    this

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    morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might venture


    towards a

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    bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.

    Today is another day, life goes on.

    If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go for it!


    We

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    gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of *life*


    affects

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    us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we can.

    Joyce

    On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the past 3


    or

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    >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need to go weigh in every week
    >until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or


    stressed,

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    >there is
    >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today. But


    I

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    >did
    >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course). <sigh>
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:

    >>
    >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots in her stomach when stressed
    >> >and cannot eat. This cold for some reason has


    made

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    >me
    >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the going
    >back
    >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >> >
    >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >> >>
    >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations which were always allowed and
    >> >> then there are the triggers - stress,


    illness,

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    >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they do


    when

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    >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    >> >>
    >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and there are normal ups and downs
    >> >> but being watchful and mindful is also okay.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of Three I
    >think.
    >> >I
    >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into fights in


    the

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    >> >middle
    >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    >> >> >
    >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the average


    I

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    >am
    >> >out
    >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with last
    >week
    >> >> >though.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE. Have
    >fun.
    >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you can't


    make

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    >it
    >> >> >> WI!!!
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program again,


    but

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    >we
    >> >are
    >> >> >not
    >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets see. I


    am

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    >> >going
    >> >> >for
    >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think it is
    >about
    >> >> >time
    >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still going


    to

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    >be
    >> >more
    >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    ><[email hidden]>
    >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have been
    >drinking 0
    >> >> >point
    >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the southern
    >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better soon.
    >It's
    >> >> >hard
    >> >> >> >to
    >> >> >> >> >stay on
    >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired and
    >> >generally
    >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >> >> >wrote:
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start over.
    >Mom
    >> >got
    >> >> >a
    >> >> >> >bad
    >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for days. I


    have

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    >> >the
    >> >> >cold
    >> >> >> >> >now,
    >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures and
    >keeping
    >> >on.
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet has


    been

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    >> >less
    >> >> >> >than
    >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >
    >>
    >


  2. Then the 6 points I gave it probably wasn't too far out of line, at least a half-as*ed close guess.
    <G> It's something that is definitely a treat, not an everyday occassion. But heck, I drink so
    little now that I honestly do feel the effects after a single one. Tuck me in, put me to bed - I am
    a happy camper. <G>

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    The recipe I use has an ounce and a half of Baileys Irish Cream, A half ounce Kahlua, an ounce of
    vodka, drizzle chocolate syrup around the inside edge of a rocks glass and pour the rest in over
    ice. I figure 6 - 8 points for That puppy.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it is


    a

    Quoted message said:

    freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was


    willing to

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    give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.


    Gotta use

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    those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    how many points in a mudslide??

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm. At
    4:30 I
    > finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the


    fridge

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ...
    > actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into eating
    something
    > for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle soup
    (or
    > something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can of
    corn - ate
    > 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30 I


    gave

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    Quoted message said:

    in and
    > had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me


    warm!!!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I didn't
    > bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has


    resumed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this
    > morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might


    venture

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    towards a
    > bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >
    > Today is another day, life goes on.
    >
    > If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go for


    it!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    We
    > gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of


    *life*

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    affects
    > us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we


    can.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
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    >
    > >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the


    past 3

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or
    > >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need to


    go

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    > >
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    stressed,
    > >there is
    > >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.


    But

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    I
    > >did
    > >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course). <sigh>
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots in


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    made
    > >me
    > >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the


    going

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >back
    > >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    > >> >
    > >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >> were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
    illness,
    > >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they do
    when
    > >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and there


    are

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    Quoted message said:

    > >> >> normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also okay.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
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    > >> >> wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of Three I
    > >think.
    > >> >I
    > >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into fights


    in

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    Quoted message said:

    the
    > >> >middle
    > >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the


    average

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    I
    > >am
    > >> >out
    > >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with


    last

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    > >week
    > >> >> >though.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.


    Have

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    > >fun.
    > >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you can't
    make
    > >it
    > >> >> >> WI!!!
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    <[email hidden]>
    > >> >> >> wrote:
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program again,
    but
    > >we
    > >> >are
    > >> >> >not
    > >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets see.


    I

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    am
    > >> >going
    > >> >> >for
    > >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think it


    is

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    Quoted message said:

    > >about
    > >> >> >time
    > >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still


    going

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    to
    > >be
    > >> >more
    > >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > ><[email hidden]>
    > >> >> >> >> wrote:
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have been
    > >drinking 0
    > >> >> >point
    > >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the


    southern

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    > >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better


    soon.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >It's
    > >> >> >hard
    > >> >> >> >to
    > >> >> >> >> >stay on
    > >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired


    and

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    > >> >generally
    > >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    > >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > >> ><[email hidden]>
    > >> >> >> >wrote:
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start


    over.

    Quoted message said:
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    > >Mom
    > >> >got
    > >> >> >a
    > >> >> >> >bad
    > >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for days.


    I

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    have
    > >> >the
    > >> >> >cold
    > >> >> >> >> >now,
    > >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures and
    > >keeping
    > >> >on.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet


    has

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    been
    > >> >less
    > >> >> >> >than
    > >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >
    >


  3. Oh my, 24 oz??!!! I would be ready to sleep by the time I got a quarter of the way through. LOL

    Joyce

    Miss Violette said:

    the lodge at starved rock serves it that way, is wonderful, and really relaxing at a drink being in
    a 24 oz shake cup, Lee, hic Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    hmmmmmmmmm, a mudslide milkshake. Now THAT would be an interesting treat!


    <G>

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    Joyce

    On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:51:17 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

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    It is one of the few alcoholic drinks I actually think tastes good, and


    is

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    also one of the few ways I like ice-cream, Lee Lesanne <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff like chocolate syrup in one
    > recipe I saw, vodka in another....
    >
    > Evil
    >
    > "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
    > >
    > > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > > >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run


    it.

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    ;-)
    > >
    >
    >


  4. I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid something, all they are going
    to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much rather at least know that the line of communication is
    still open and at least know when they are doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is
    somewhat normal behavior). The first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I
    don't condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself in the situation where
    you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ... regardless as to whether you are driving or
    someone else. Call home. No questions asked, no repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a
    freebie. I would much rather get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or
    morgue. So far it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is staying whereever
    he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be returned in the am. My daughter did taste the
    mudslide the other night - once she knew she was not leaving the house.

    I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things though. My son is 19, has had
    friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope, not unless parents are called and have given
    permission - and they are turning keys over to me. I do not and will not take authority away from
    another parent - even if I do know what their kids do when away from home.

    Joyce

    Deb in Northern California said:

    I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try to get to those too. I don't
    buy them very often unless we are going to a party or having friends over to drink. My kids love my
    mudslides and beg for me to make them.

    Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of something, they don't have a
    full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to only have them sneak around behind my back to
    get drunk.

    Debbie

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no muss,


    no fuss

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    ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much


    smoother

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    than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to adore). Biggest problem now is
    figuring out how to keep the kids out of it, other


    than by

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    me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option. <G>

    I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe some


    chocolate

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    syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of chocolate and


    coffee

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    flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy


    creamer and

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    10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with


    icecubes and

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    crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge before hub


    gets

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    home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff like chocolate syrup in one
    recipe I saw, vodka in another....

    Evil

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
    >
    > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run it.


    ;-)

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    >


  5. Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for years and years - can't
    remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through tons of them when I was bowling with the
    *ladies* ... and haven't done that for about 4 or 5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me.
    I'm really not much of a drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth (or
    wore them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually just plain ol' beer - on
    a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of mudslides will probably still be in the fridge
    next year, unless the kids make it disappear. <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.

    You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...

    Joyce said:

    Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it is a freebie. <G> I took a
    stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was willing to give it and it took me within a few
    points of the low end of my target. Gotta use those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a
    bigger glass. <G>

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    how many points in a mudslide??

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm. At
    4:30 I
    > finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the fridge
    ...
    > actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into eating
    something
    > for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle soup
    (or
    > something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can of
    corn - ate
    > 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30 I gave
    in and
    > had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me warm!!!
    I didn't
    > bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has resumed
    this
    > morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might venture
    towards a
    > bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >
    > Today is another day, life goes on.
    >
    > If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go for it!
    We
    > gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of *life*
    affects
    > us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we can.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the past 3
    or
    > >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need to go weigh in every week
    > >until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    > >
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    stressed,
    > >there is
    > >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today. But
    I
    > >did
    > >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course). <sigh>
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots in her stomach when stressed
    > >> >and cannot eat. This cold for some reason has
    made
    > >me
    > >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the going
    > >back
    > >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    > >> >
    > >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations which were always allowed and
    > >> >> then there are the triggers - stress,
    illness,
    > >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they do
    when
    > >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and there are normal ups and downs
    > >> >> but being watchful and mindful is also okay.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of Three I
    > >think.
    > >> >I
    > >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into fights in
    the
    > >> >middle
    > >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the average
    I
    > >am
    > >> >out
    > >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with last
    > >week
    > >> >> >though.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE. Have
    > >fun.
    > >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you can't
    make
    > >it
    > >> >> >> WI!!!
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    <[email hidden]>
    > >> >> >> wrote:
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program again,
    but
    > >we
    > >> >are
    > >> >> >not
    > >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets see. I
    am
    > >> >going
    > >> >> >for
    > >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think it is
    > >about
    > >> >> >time
    > >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still going
    to
    > >be
    > >> >more
    > >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > ><[email hidden]>
    > >> >> >> >> wrote:
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have been
    > >drinking 0
    > >> >> >point
    > >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the southern
    > >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better soon.
    > >It's
    > >> >> >hard
    > >> >> >> >to
    > >> >> >> >> >stay on
    > >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired and
    > >> >generally
    > >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    > >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > >> ><[email hidden]>
    > >> >> >> >wrote:
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start over.
    > >Mom
    > >> >got
    > >> >> >a
    > >> >> >> >bad
    > >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for days. I
    have
    > >> >the
    > >> >> >cold
    > >> >> >> >> >now,
    > >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures and
    > >keeping
    > >> >on.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet has
    been
    > >> >less
    > >> >> >> >than
    > >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    > >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >
    >


  6. Why, did you have one of each? (G)

    dcsena said:

    Ok on Dotties Weight Loss Zone here is what she says on Mudslides, and a few others..... Top 5
    worst drinks:
    1. Margarita in a pint glass (2 oz. tequila, 2 oz. margarita/sour mix, 1 oz. triple sec, lime
    juice, 1 tsp. sugar) - 550 calories (11)
    2. Mudslide (1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. Irish cream, 1.5 oz. vodka) - 417 calories (8.5)
    3. Long Island Ice Tea (1 oz. vodka, gin, rum, tequila, and triple sec, 2 oz. sour mix, splash of
    cola) - 380 calories (8)
    4. White Russian (1.5 oz. vodka, 1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. cream) - 320 calories (6.5)
    5. Piรฑa Colada (1.5 oz. rum, 1.5 oz. coconut cream, 3 oz. pineapple juice) - 293 calories (6)

    So I was right....blew the whole wad of flex points! lol

  7. So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a bar? I
    guess you are right - sheltered life (G)

    Joyce said:

    Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for years and years - can't
    remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through tons of them when I was bowling with the
    *ladies* ... and haven't done that for about 4 or 5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me.
    I'm really not much of a drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth
    (or wore them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually just plain ol' beer
    - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of mudslides will probably still be in the
    fridge next year, unless the kids make it disappear. <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.

    You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...

    Joyce said:

    Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it is a freebie. <G> I took
    a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was willing to give it and it took me within a few
    points of the low end of my target. Gotta use those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a
    bigger glass. <G>

    Joyce

    On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >how many points in a mudslide??
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm. At
    >4:30 I
    >> finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the fridge
    >...
    >> actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into eating
    >something
    >> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle soup
    >(or
    >> something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can of
    >corn - ate
    >> 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30 I gave
    >in and
    >> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me warm!!!
    >I didn't
    >> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has resumed
    >this
    >> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might venture
    >towards a
    >> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >>
    >> Today is another day, life goes on.
    >>
    >> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go for it!
    >We
    >> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of *life*
    >affects
    >> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we can.
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the past 3
    >or
    >> >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need to go weigh in every week
    >> >until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    >stressed,
    >> >there is
    >> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today. But
    >I
    >> >did
    >> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course). <sigh>
    >> >>
    >> >> Joyce
    >> >>
    >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots in her stomach when
    >> >> >stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason has
    >made
    >> >me
    >> >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the going
    >> >back
    >> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations which were always allowed
    >> >> >> and then there are the triggers - stress,
    >illness,
    >> >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they do
    >when
    >> >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and there are normal ups and downs
    >> >> >> but being watchful and mindful is also okay.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of Three I
    >> >think.
    >> >> >I
    >> >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into fights in
    >the
    >> >> >middle
    >> >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the average
    >I
    >> >am
    >> >> >out
    >> >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with last
    >> >week
    >> >> >> >though.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE. Have
    >> >fun.
    >> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you can't
    >make
    >> >it
    >> >> >> >> WI!!!
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    ><[email hidden]>
    >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program again,
    >but
    >> >we
    >> >> >are
    >> >> >> >not
    >> >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets see. I
    >am
    >> >> >going
    >> >> >> >for
    >> >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think it is
    >> >about
    >> >> >> >time
    >> >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still going
    >to
    >> >be
    >> >> >more
    >> >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have been
    >> >drinking 0
    >> >> >> >point
    >> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the southern
    >> >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better soon.
    >> >It's
    >> >> >> >hard
    >> >> >> >> >to
    >> >> >> >> >> >stay on
    >> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired and
    >> >> >generally
    >> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >> >> >> >wrote:
    >> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start over.
    >> >Mom
    >> >> >got
    >> >> >> >a
    >> >> >> >> >bad
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for days. I
    >have
    >> >> >the
    >> >> >> >cold
    >> >> >> >> >> >now,
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures and
    >> >keeping
    >> >> >on.
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet has
    >been
    >> >> >less
    >> >> >> >> >than
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    >> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >
    >>


  8. We must have gone to the same school of childrearing together. Sometimes you hear things you'd
    rather not know, but I have a great relationship with both of my daughters. My mother is quite
    envious of the closeness I share with them.

    Prairie Roots

    Deb in Northern California said:

    I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My oldest (will be in 20 in a week)
    is away at college like your son is. She was so funny last year, she called me and asked if it was
    okay if she had a drink with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and she knew
    the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her just don't drive and don't
    get in the car with anyone. She ended up having one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like
    me and lacks the enzyme to metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I
    think she has had only one drink since then and it did not effect her that way.

    I am a firm believer of giving the kids enough rope to get out, but not enough to hang themselves.
    And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest is very open with
    me and has told me things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage daughters
    private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

    Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid


    something,

    Quoted message said:

    all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much rather


    at least

    Quoted message said:

    know that the line of communication is still open and at least know when


    they are

    Quoted message said:

    doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal


    behavior). The

    Quoted message said:

    first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...


    regardless as to

    Quoted message said:

    whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions asked,


    no

    Quoted message said:

    repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would


    much rather

    Quoted message said:

    get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or morgue.


    So far

    Quoted message said:

    it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is


    staying

    Quoted message said:

    whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be returned


    in the

    Quoted message said:

    am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew


    she was

    Quoted message said:

    not leaving the house.

    I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things though.


    My son is

    Quoted message said:

    19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope, not


    unless

    Quoted message said:

    parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning keys


    over to

    Quoted message said:

    me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent - even


    if I do

    Quoted message said:

    know what their kids do when away from home.

    Joyce

    Deb in Northern California said:

    I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try to


    get

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a party


    or

    Quoted message said:
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    having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for me


    to

    Quoted message said:
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    make them.

    Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of


    something,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to only


    have

    Quoted message said:
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    them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.

    Debbie

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no


    muss,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    no fuss
    > ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much
    smoother
    > than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to


    adore).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,


    other

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than by
    > me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option.


    <G>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe


    some

    Quoted message said:
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    chocolate
    > syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of chocolate


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    coffee
    > flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy
    creamer and
    > 10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with
    icecubes and
    > crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge before


    hub

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    gets
    > home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff


    like

    Quoted message said:
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    > >chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
    > >
    > >Evil
    > >
    > >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
    > >>
    > >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run


    it.

    Quoted message said:
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    ;-)
    > >>
    > >
    >


  9. I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I recall, was when I was about
    to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes - not kidding.

    Deb in Northern California said:

    You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a few
    others that are all made up and ready to drink.

    Debbie

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a bar?
    I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)

    Joyce said:

    Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for


    years and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    years - can't remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through


    tons of

    Quoted message said:
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    them when I was bowling with the *ladies* ... and haven't done that for


    about 4 or

    Quoted message said:
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    5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me. I'm really not much of


    a

    Quoted message said:
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    drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth


    (or wore

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    them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually


    just plain

    Quoted message said:
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    ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of


    mudslides will

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    probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it


    disappear. <G>

    Quoted message said:
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    Joyce

    On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:57:58 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.
    >
    >You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...
    >
    >On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it


    is a

    Quoted message said:
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    >>freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was


    willing to

    Quoted message said:
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    >>give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.


    Gotta use

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    >>those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>
    >>
    >>Joyce
    >>
    >>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


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    >>
    >>>how many points in a mudslide??
    >>>
    >>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.


    At

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    >>>> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle


    soup

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    >>>(or
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    of

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    I gave

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    >>>in and
    >>>> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me


    warm!!!

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    >>>I didn't
    >>>> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has


    resumed

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    >>>this
    >>>> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might


    venture

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    >>>towards a
    >>>> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >>>>
    >>>> Today is another day, life goes on.
    >>>>
    >>>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go


    for it!

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    >>>We
    >>>> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of


    *life*

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    >>>> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we


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    >>>> Joyce
    >>>>
    >>>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


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    >>>>
    >>>> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the


    past 3

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    to go

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    >>>> >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    >>>stressed,
    >>>> >there is
    >>>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.


    But

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    >>>I
    >>>> >did
    >>>> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course).


    <sigh>

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    >>>> >> Joyce
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots


    in her

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    has

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    >>>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >>>> >> >
    >>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >>>> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations


    which

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    >>>> >> >> were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
    >>>illness,
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    >>>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >>>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of


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    >>>> >> >I
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    fights in

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    last

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    >>>> >> >> >though.
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    >>>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
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    >>>> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.


    Have

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    can't

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    >>>> >> >> >> WI!!!
    >>>> >> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>><[email hidden]>
    >>>> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>>> >> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program


    again,

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    >>>> >> >> >time
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    going

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    >>>> >> >more
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    >>>> >> >> >> >
    >>>> >> >> >> >
    >>>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >>>> >> >> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>>> ><[email hidden]>
    >>>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>>> >> >> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have


    been

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    >>>> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the


    southern

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    >>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better


    soon.

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    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired


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    >>>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>>> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >>>> >> >> >> >wrote:
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start


    over.

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    >>>> >> >got
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    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures


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    >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
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    has

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  10. Grocery store Fred, grocery store. Geeeeeeeeesh, do us women have to teach you everything? <G>
    I haven't been in a *liquor* store for ages either, just dip into the liquor section of my
    local grocer.

    There are several different *brands* of mudslides, each tends to have their own secret formula of
    ingredients. I prefer the Friday's brand - think it is just rum in the bottled/premixed version ...
    as far as the alcohol anyway. Less alcohol = less points, right? <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I recall, was when I was about
    to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes - not kidding.

    Deb in Northern California said:

    You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a few
    others that are all made up and ready to drink.

    Debbie

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a bar?
    I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)

    On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:53:01 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for


    years and

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    >years - can't remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through


    tons of

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    >them when I was bowling with the *ladies* ... and haven't done that for


    about 4 or

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    >5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me. I'm really not much of


    a

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    >drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth


    (or wore

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    >them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually


    just plain

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    >ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of


    mudslides will

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    >probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it


    disappear. <G>

    Quoted message said:

    >
    >Joyce
    >
    >On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:57:58 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:

    >
    >>Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.
    >>
    >>You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...
    >>
    >>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it


    is a

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    >>>freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was


    willing to

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    >>>give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.


    Gotta use

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    >>>those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:

    >>>
    >>>>how many points in a mudslide??
    >>>>
    >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.


    At

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    >>>>4:30 I
    >>>>> finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the


    fridge

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    >>>>...
    >>>>> actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into


    eating

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    >>>>something
    >>>>> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle


    soup

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    >>>>(or
    >>>>> something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can


    of

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    >>>>corn - ate
    >>>>> 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30


    I gave

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    >>>>in and
    >>>>> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me


    warm!!!

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    >>>>I didn't
    >>>>> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has


    resumed

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    >>>>this
    >>>>> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might


    venture

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    >>>>towards a
    >>>>> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Today is another day, life goes on.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go


    for it!

    Quoted message said:

    >>>>We
    >>>>> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of


    *life*

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    >>>>affects
    >>>>> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we


    can.

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    >>>>>
    >>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


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    >>>>>
    >>>>> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the


    past 3

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    >>>>or
    >>>>> >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need


    to go

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    >>>>> >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    >>>>stressed,
    >>>>> >there is
    >>>>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.


    But

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    >>>>I
    >>>>> >did
    >>>>> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course).


    <sigh>

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    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots


    in her

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    >>>>> >> >stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason


    has

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    >>>>made
    >>>>> >me
    >>>>> >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the


    going

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    >>>>> >back
    >>>>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >>>>> >> >
    >>>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >>>>> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations


    which

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    >>>>> >> >> were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
    >>>>illness,
    >>>>> >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they


    do

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    >>>>when
    >>>>> >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    >>>>> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and


    there are

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    >>>>> >> >> normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also


    okay.

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    >>>>> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >>>>> >> >> wrote:
    >>>>> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of


    Three I

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    >>>>> >> >I
    >>>>> >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into


    fights in

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    >>>>the
    >>>>> >> >middle
    >>>>> >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    >>>>> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the


    average

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    >>>>> >am
    >>>>> >> >out
    >>>>> >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with


    last

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    >>>>> >week
    >>>>> >> >> >though.
    >>>>> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    >>>>> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.


    Have

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    >>>>> >fun.
    >>>>> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you


    can't

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    >>>>make
    >>>>> >it
    >>>>> >> >> >> WI!!!
    >>>>> >> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>>><[email hidden]>
    >>>>> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>>>> >> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program


    again,

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    >>>>but
    >>>>> >we
    >>>>> >> >are
    >>>>> >> >> >not
    >>>>> >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets


    see. I

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    >>>>am
    >>>>> >> >going
    >>>>> >> >> >for
    >>>>> >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think


    it is

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    >>>>> >about
    >>>>> >> >> >time
    >>>>> >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still


    going

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    >>>>to
    >>>>> >be
    >>>>> >> >more
    >>>>> >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>>>> ><[email hidden]>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have


    been

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    >>>>> >drinking 0
    >>>>> >> >> >point
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the


    southern

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    >>>>> >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better


    soon.

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    >>>>> >It's
    >>>>> >> >> >hard
    >>>>> >> >> >> >to
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >stay on
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired


    and

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    >>>>> >> >generally
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>>>> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >wrote:
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start


    over.

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    >>>>> >Mom
    >>>>> >> >got
    >>>>> >> >> >a
    >>>>> >> >> >> >bad
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for


    days. I

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    >>>>have
    >>>>> >> >the
    >>>>> >> >> >cold
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >now,
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures


    and

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    >>>>> >keeping
    >>>>> >> >on.
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet


    has

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    >>>>> >> >less
    >>>>> >> >> >> >than
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  11. Unfortunately, my son doesn't seem to have that alcohol intolerant gene in his body. <G> But he is
    smart (somewhat) and remains safe, practices what he considers responsibility. He is pretty open
    with me, to a point. There are some things though that a mom just doesn't need to know. <G> What I
    find most amusing/interesting is how the two youngest kids protect each other. They remain closed
    mouth with each others *secrets* (they are very close) until they think the other one is in danger
    of doing something incredibly stupid or dangerous. A few weeks ago I was out to lunch with my son,
    he told me to keep my eyes open with baby sis as one of her friends was pushing her to skip
    classes with him. OK, 'nuff said, will do. Last week baby sis told me big brother was having
    problems at school (no news to me) and she was really worried about him ... he isn't happy mom, he
    REALLY isn't happy mom and I'm scared. OK - time for mom to act on this one and find out what the
    heck is going on. Which brings us to the most recent stress and problems. BUT - once approached he
    was very open, lots of tears shed, fears expressed and soul searching done. I hate to think what
    may have happened had things progressed too far, or if each of the kids didn't have a little bit
    of *squealer* in them. <G>

    Joyce

    Deb in Northern California said:

    I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My oldest (will be in 20 in a week)
    is away at college like your son is. She was so funny last year, she called me and asked if it was
    okay if she had a drink with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and she knew
    the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her just don't drive and don't
    get in the car with anyone. She ended up having one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like
    me and lacks the enzyme to metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I
    think she has had only one drink since then and it did not effect her that way.

    I am a firm believer of giving the kids enough rope to get out, but not enough to hang themselves.
    And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest is very open with
    me and has told me things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage daughters
    private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

    Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid


    something,

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    all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much rather


    at least

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    know that the line of communication is still open and at least know when


    they are

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    doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal


    behavior). The

    Quoted message said:

    first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I


    don't

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    condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...


    regardless as to

    Quoted message said:

    whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions asked,


    no

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    repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would


    much rather

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    get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or morgue.


    So far

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    it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is


    staying

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    whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be returned


    in the

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    am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew


    she was

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    not leaving the house.

    I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things though.


    My son is

    Quoted message said:

    19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope, not


    unless

    Quoted message said:

    parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning keys


    over to

    Quoted message said:

    me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent - even


    if I do

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    know what their kids do when away from home.

    Joyce

    Deb in Northern California said:

    I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try to


    get

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a party


    or

    Quoted message said:
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    having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for me


    to

    Quoted message said:
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    make them.

    Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of


    something,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to only


    have

    Quoted message said:
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    them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.

    Debbie

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no


    muss,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    no fuss
    > ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much
    smoother
    > than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to


    adore).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,


    other

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than by
    > me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option.


    <G>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    chocolate
    > syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of chocolate


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    coffee
    > flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy
    creamer and
    > 10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with
    icecubes and
    > crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge before


    hub

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    gets
    > home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff


    like

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    Quoted message said:

    > >chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
    > >
    > >Evil
    > >
    > >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
    > >>
    > >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run


    it.

    Quoted message said:
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    ;-)
    > >>
    > >
    >


  12. When my mom was more lucid, she would tell me she was envious of my relationship with my children. I
    don't know why we are closer, other than maybe my kids just don't fear me? They know there isn't
    anything bad enough that they can't talk about. We *try* to avoid screaming matches, I grew up with
    them and learned that they don't solve a danged thing. There are other times though, that I
    sometimes wish we weren't so close. I feel every dang one of their pains worse than they do. <sigh>

    Joyce

    Prairie Roots said:

    We must have gone to the same school of childrearing together. Sometimes you hear things you'd
    rather not know, but I have a great relationship with both of my daughters. My mother is quite
    envious of the closeness I share with them.

    Prairie Roots

    Deb in Northern California said:

    I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My oldest (will be in 20 in a
    week) is away at college like your son is. She was so funny last year, she called me and asked if
    it was okay if she had a drink with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and
    she knew the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her just don't drive
    and don't get in the car with anyone. She ended up having one beer and regretted it, apparently
    she is like me and lacks the enzyme to metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend
    feeling lousy. I think she has had only one drink since then and it did not effect her that way.

    I am a firm believer of giving the kids enough rope to get out, but not enough to hang themselves.
    And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest is very open
    with me and has told me things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage daughters
    private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

    Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid


    something,

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    all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much rather


    at least

    Quoted message said:

    know that the line of communication is still open and at least know when


    they are

    Quoted message said:

    doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal


    behavior). The

    Quoted message said:

    first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...


    regardless as to

    Quoted message said:

    whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions asked,


    no

    Quoted message said:

    repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would


    much rather

    Quoted message said:

    get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or morgue.


    So far

    Quoted message said:

    it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is


    staying

    Quoted message said:

    whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be returned


    in the

    Quoted message said:

    am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew


    she was

    Quoted message said:

    not leaving the house.

    I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things though.


    My son is

    Quoted message said:

    19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope, not


    unless

    Quoted message said:

    parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning keys


    over to

    Quoted message said:

    me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent - even


    if I do

    Quoted message said:

    know what their kids do when away from home.

    Joyce

    On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try to


    get

    Quoted message said:

    >to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a party


    or

    Quoted message said:

    >having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for me


    to

    Quoted message said:

    >make them.
    >
    >Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of


    something,

    Quoted message said:

    >they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to only


    have

    Quoted message said:

    >them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.
    >
    >Debbie
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no


    muss,

    Quoted message said:

    >no fuss
    >> ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much
    >smoother
    >> than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to


    adore).

    Quoted message said:

    >> Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,


    other

    Quoted message said:

    >than by
    >> me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option.


    <G>

    Quoted message said:

    >>
    >> I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe


    some

    Quoted message said:

    >chocolate
    >> syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of chocolate


    and

    Quoted message said:

    >coffee
    >> flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy
    >creamer and
    >> 10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with
    >icecubes and
    >> crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge before


    hub

    Quoted message said:

    >gets
    >> home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:

    >>
    >> >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff


    like

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    >> >chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
    >> >
    >> >Evil
    >> >
    >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
    >> >>
    >> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run


    it.

    Quoted message said:

    >;-)
    >> >>
    >> >
    >>
    >


  13. By george, I think you got it! Yup, can purchase in a bar or commercially. There are several
    different brands commercially - different alcohol combinations, pretty close to the same flavors
    though. I prefer the Fridays brand myself. Commercially is probably the better bargain. I don't know
    the going rate for bar drinks, but have a feeling they are rather hefty. <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a bar? I
    guess you are right - sheltered life (G)

    Joyce said:

    Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for years and years - can't
    remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through tons of them when I was bowling with the
    *ladies* ... and haven't done that for about 4 or 5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me.
    I'm really not much of a drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth
    (or wore them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually just plain ol' beer
    - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of mudslides will probably still be in the
    fridge next year, unless the kids make it disappear. <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.

    You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...

    On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it is a freebie. <G> I took
    >a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was willing to give it and it took me within a few
    >points of the low end of my target. Gotta use those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a
    >bigger glass. <G>
    >
    >Joyce
    >
    >On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>how many points in a mudslide??
    >>
    >>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm. At
    >>4:30 I
    >>> finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the fridge
    >>...
    >>> actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into eating
    >>something
    >>> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle soup
    >>(or
    >>> something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can of
    >>corn - ate
    >>> 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30 I gave
    >>in and
    >>> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me warm!!!
    >>I didn't
    >>> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has resumed
    >>this
    >>> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might venture
    >>towards a
    >>> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >>>
    >>> Today is another day, life goes on.
    >>>
    >>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go for it!
    >>We
    >>> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of *life*
    >>affects
    >>> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we can.
    >>>
    >>> Joyce
    >>>
    >>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the past 3
    >>or
    >>> >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need to go weigh in every week
    >>> >until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    >>stressed,
    >>> >there is
    >>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today. But
    >>I
    >>> >did
    >>> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course). <sigh>
    >>> >>
    >>> >> Joyce
    >>> >>
    >>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>wrote:
    >>> >>
    >>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots in her stomach when
    >>> >> >stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason has
    >>made
    >>> >me
    >>> >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the going
    >>> >back
    >>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >>> >> >
    >>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >>> >> >>
    >>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations which were always allowed
    >>> >> >> and then there are the triggers - stress,
    >>illness,
    >>> >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they do
    >>when
    >>> >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    >>> >> >>
    >>> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and there are normal ups and
    >>> >> >> downs but being watchful and mindful is also okay.
    >>> >> >>
    >>> >> >>
    >>> >> >>
    >>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of Three I
    >>> >think.
    >>> >> >I
    >>> >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into fights in
    >>the
    >>> >> >middle
    >>> >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    >>> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the average
    >>I
    >>> >am
    >>> >> >out
    >>> >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with last
    >>> >week
    >>> >> >> >though.
    >>> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    >>> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE. Have
    >>> >fun.
    >>> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you can't
    >>make
    >>> >it
    >>> >> >> >> WI!!!
    >>> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >><[email hidden]>
    >>> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program again,
    >>but
    >>> >we
    >>> >> >are
    >>> >> >> >not
    >>> >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets see. I
    >>am
    >>> >> >going
    >>> >> >> >for
    >>> >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think it is
    >>> >about
    >>> >> >> >time
    >>> >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still going
    >>to
    >>> >be
    >>> >> >more
    >>> >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    >>> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >>> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>> ><[email hidden]>
    >>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have been
    >>> >drinking 0
    >>> >> >> >point
    >>> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the southern
    >>> >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    >>> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better soon.
    >>> >It's
    >>> >> >> >hard
    >>> >> >> >> >to
    >>> >> >> >> >> >stay on
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired and
    >>> >> >generally
    >>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >>> >> >> >> >wrote:
    >>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start over.
    >>> >Mom
    >>> >> >got
    >>> >> >> >a
    >>> >> >> >> >bad
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for days. I
    >>have
    >>> >> >the
    >>> >> >> >cold
    >>> >> >> >> >> >now,
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures and
    >>> >keeping
    >>> >> >on.
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet has
    >>been
    >>> >> >less
    >>> >> >> >> >than
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >> >
    >>> >> >> >>
    >>> >> >> >
    >>> >> >>
    >>> >> >
    >>> >>
    >>> >
    >>>

  14. These drinks are pretty hard to get a definite point count on, as everyone makes them differently.
    The Friday's brand of mudslides that is purchased commercially only has rum and non-dairy creamer
    in it - the rest is artificial flavoring ... no irish cream, no coffee liqueur - so points should
    be a bit lower. On Dottie's, in the restaurant listing for TGI Fridays, it gives 6.5 points (I
    think ... might be
    5.5) for a 3 ounce blended mudslide. That's 3 points difference from this listing you found on the
    same website!

    BUT .. maybe we can look at it as liquid points - some of that point total has got to come out of us
    pretty quickly - thus not counting .. right? <G>

    Joyce

    dcsena said:

    Ok on Dotties Weight Loss Zone here is what she says on Mudslides, and a few others..... Top 5
    worst drinks:
    1. Margarita in a pint glass (2 oz. tequila, 2 oz. margarita/sour mix, 1 oz. triple sec, lime
    juice, 1 tsp. sugar) - 550 calories (11)
    2. Mudslide (1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. Irish cream, 1.5 oz. vodka) - 417 calories (8.5)
    3. Long Island Ice Tea (1 oz. vodka, gin, rum, tequila, and triple sec, 2 oz. sour mix, splash of
    cola) - 380 calories (8)
    4. White Russian (1.5 oz. vodka, 1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. cream) - 320 calories (6.5)
    5. Piรฑa Colada (1.5 oz. rum, 1.5 oz. coconut cream, 3 oz. pineapple juice) - 293 calories (6)

    So I was right....blew the whole wad of flex points! lol

  15. I don't think the groceries in this state sell anything that contains any liquor - state monopoly.
    Wine and beer, yes at the grocery but it ends there.

    Joyce said:

    Grocery store Fred, grocery store. Geeeeeeeeesh, do us women have to teach you everything? <G>
    I haven't been in a *liquor* store for ages either, just dip into the liquor section of my
    local grocer.

    There are several different *brands* of mudslides, each tends to have their own secret formula of
    ingredients. I prefer the Friday's brand - think it is just rum in the bottled/premixed version ...
    as far as the alcohol anyway. Less alcohol = less points, right? <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I recall, was when I was
    about to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes - not kidding.

    Deb in Northern California said:

    You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a few
    others that are all made up and ready to drink.

    Debbie

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a
    > bar? I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)
    >
    > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:53:01 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for
    years and
    > >years - can't remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through
    tons of
    > >them when I was bowling with the *ladies* ... and haven't done that for
    about 4 or
    > >5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me. I'm really not much of
    a
    > >drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth
    (or wore
    > >them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually
    just plain
    > >ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of
    mudslides will
    > >probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it
    disappear. <G>
    > >
    > >Joyce
    > >
    > >On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:57:58 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >
    > >>Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.
    > >>
    > >>You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...
    > >>
    > >>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it
    is a
    > >>>freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was
    willing to
    > >>>give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.
    Gotta use
    > >>>those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>
    > >>>
    > >>>Joyce
    > >>>
    > >>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>how many points in a mudslide??
    > >>>>
    > >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.
    At
    > >>>>4:30 I
    > >>>>> finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the
    fridge
    > >>>>...
    > >>>>> actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into
    eating
    > >>>>something
    > >>>>> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle
    soup
    > >>>>(or
    > >>>>> something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can
    of
    > >>>>corn - ate
    > >>>>> 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30
    I gave
    > >>>>in and
    > >>>>> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me
    warm!!!
    > >>>>I didn't
    > >>>>> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has
    resumed
    > >>>>this
    > >>>>> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might
    venture
    > >>>>towards a
    > >>>>> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Today is another day, life goes on.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go
    for it!
    > >>>>We
    > >>>>> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of
    *life*
    > >>>>affects
    > >>>>> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we
    can.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Joyce
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the
    past 3
    > >>>>or
    > >>>>> >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need
    to go
    > >>>>> >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    > >>>>> >
    > >>>>> >
    > >>>>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    > >>>>stressed,
    > >>>>> >there is
    > >>>>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.
    But
    > >>>>I
    > >>>>> >did
    > >>>>> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course).
    <sigh>
    > >>>>> >>
    > >>>>> >> Joyce
    > >>>>> >>
    > >>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
    <[email hidden]>
    > >>>>wrote:
    > >>>>> >>
    > >>>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots
    in her
    > >>>>> >> >stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason
    has
    > >>>>made
    > >>>>> >me
    > >>>>> >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the
    going
    > >>>>> >back
    > >>>>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    > >>>>> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>>>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    > >>>>> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations
    which
    > >>>>> >> >> were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
    > >>>>illness,
    > >>>>> >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they
    do
    > >>>>when
    > >>>>> >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    > >>>>> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and
    there are
    > >>>>> >> >> normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also
    okay.
    > >>>>> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"
    <[email hidden]>
    > >>>>> >> >> wrote:
    > >>>>> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of
    Three I
    > >>>>> >think.
    > >>>>> >> >I
    > >>>>> >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into
    fights in
    > >>>>the
    > >>>>> >> >middle
    > >>>>> >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    > >>>>> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the
    average
    > >>>>I
    > >>>>> >am
    > >>>>> >> >out
    > >>>>> >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with
    last
    > >>>>> >week
    > >>>>> >> >> >though.
    > >>>>> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    > >>>>> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>>>> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.
    Have
    > >>>>> >fun.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you
    can't
    > >>>>make
    > >>>>> >it
    > >>>>> >> >> >> WI!!!
    > >>>>> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > >>>><[email hidden]>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> wrote:
    > >>>>> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program
    again,
    > >>>>but
    > >>>>> >we
    > >>>>> >> >are
    > >>>>> >> >> >not
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets
    see. I
    > >>>>am
    > >>>>> >> >going
    > >>>>> >> >> >for
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think
    it is
    > >>>>> >about
    > >>>>> >> >> >time
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still
    going
    > >>>>to
    > >>>>> >be
    > >>>>> >> >more
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > >>>>> ><[email hidden]>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have
    been
    > >>>>> >drinking 0
    > >>>>> >> >> >point
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the
    southern
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better
    soon.
    > >>>>> >It's
    > >>>>> >> >> >hard
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >to
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >stay on
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired
    and
    > >>>>> >> >generally
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > >>>>> >> ><[email hidden]>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >wrote:
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start
    over.
    > >>>>> >Mom
    > >>>>> >> >got
    > >>>>> >> >> >a
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >bad
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for
    days. I
    > >>>>have
    > >>>>> >> >the
    > >>>>> >> >> >cold
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >now,
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures
    and
    > >>>>> >keeping
    > >>>>> >> >on.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet
    has
    > >>>>been
    > >>>>> >> >less
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >than
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >> >
    > >>>>> >> >>
    > >>>>> >> >
    > >>>>> >>
    > >>>>> >
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>
    >


  16. Exactly.

    Joyce said:

    When my mom was more lucid, she would tell me she was envious of my relationship with my children.
    I don't know why we are closer, other than maybe my kids just don't fear me? They know there isn't
    anything bad enough that they can't talk about. We *try* to avoid screaming matches, I grew up with
    them and learned that they don't solve a danged thing. There are other times though, that I
    sometimes wish we weren't so close. I feel every dang one of their pains worse than they do. <sigh>

    Joyce

    Prairie Roots said:

    We must have gone to the same school of childrearing together. Sometimes you hear things you'd
    rather not know, but I have a great relationship with both of my daughters. My mother is quite
    envious of the closeness I share with them.

    Prairie Roots

    Deb in Northern California said:

    I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My oldest (will be in 20 in a
    week) is away at college like your son is. She was so funny last year, she called me and asked if
    it was okay if she had a drink with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and
    she knew the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her just don't
    drive and don't get in the car with anyone. She ended up having one beer and regretted it,
    apparently she is like me and lacks the enzyme to metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all
    weekend feeling lousy. I think she has had only one drink since then and it did not effect her
    that way.

    I am a firm believer of giving the kids enough rope to get out, but not enough to hang
    themselves. And to never condemn them for being open and honest with me. If course the oldest is
    very open with me and has told me things, I don't think a mom should really know about her
    teenage daughters private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

    Debbie "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid
    something,
    > all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much rather
    at least
    > know that the line of communication is still open and at least know when
    they are
    > doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal
    behavior). The
    > first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I
    don't
    > condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself in
    the
    > situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...
    regardless as to
    > whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions asked,
    no
    > repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would
    much rather
    > get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or morgue.
    So far
    > it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is
    staying
    > whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be returned
    in the
    > am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew
    she was
    > not leaving the house.
    >
    > I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things though.
    My son is
    > 19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope, not
    unless
    > parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning keys
    over to
    > me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent - even
    if I do
    > know what their kids do when away from home.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try to
    get
    > >to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a party
    or
    > >having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for me
    to
    > >make them.
    > >
    > >Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of
    something,
    > >they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to only
    have
    > >them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.
    > >
    > >Debbie
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no
    muss,
    > >no fuss
    > >> ... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So much
    > >smoother
    > >> than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to
    adore).
    > >> Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,
    other
    > >than by
    > >> me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun option.
    <G>
    > >>
    > >> I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe
    some
    > >chocolate
    > >> syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of chocolate
    and
    > >coffee
    > >> flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than non-dairy
    > >creamer and
    > >> 10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with
    > >icecubes and
    > >> crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge before
    hub
    > >gets
    > >> home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. <EG>
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff
    like
    > >> >chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....
    > >> >
    > >> >Evil
    > >> >
    > >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >> I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!
    > >> >>
    > >> >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run
    it.
    > >;-)
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >
    >

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  17. That's how it is here in Minnesota as well. It's not a state monoply, though. More like Norwegian
    piety. The liquor stores are closed on Sunday too.

    Prairie Roots On Tue said:

    I don't think the groceries in this state sell anything that contains any liquor - state monopoly.
    Wine and beer, yes at the grocery but it ends there.

    Joyce said:

    Grocery store Fred, grocery store. Geeeeeeeeesh, do us women have to teach you everything? <G>
    I haven't been in a *liquor* store for ages either, just dip into the liquor section of my
    local grocer.

    There are several different *brands* of mudslides, each tends to have their own secret formula of
    ingredients. I prefer the Friday's brand - think it is just rum in the bottled/premixed version
    ... as far as the alcohol anyway. Less alcohol = less points, right? <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I recall, was when I was
    about to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes - not kidding.

    On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:01:30 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a
    >few others that are all made up and ready to drink.
    >
    >Debbie
    >
    >
    >
    >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a
    >> bar? I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)
    >>
    >> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:53:01 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for
    >years and
    >> >years - can't remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through
    >tons of
    >> >them when I was bowling with the *ladies* ... and haven't done that for
    >about 4 or
    >> >5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me. I'm really not much of
    >a
    >> >drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth
    >(or wore
    >> >them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually
    >just plain
    >> >ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of
    >mudslides will
    >> >probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it
    >disappear. <G>
    >> >
    >> >Joyce
    >> >
    >> >On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:57:58 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.
    >> >>
    >> >>You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...
    >> >>
    >> >>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>>Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it
    >is a
    >> >>>freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was
    >willing to
    >> >>>give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.
    >Gotta use
    >> >>>those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>Joyce
    >> >>>
    >> >>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>>how many points in a mudslide??
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.
    >At
    >> >>>>4:30 I
    >> >>>>> finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the
    >fridge
    >> >>>>...
    >> >>>>> actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into
    >eating
    >> >>>>something
    >> >>>>> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle
    >soup
    >> >>>>(or
    >> >>>>> something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can
    >of
    >> >>>>corn - ate
    >> >>>>> 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30
    >I gave
    >> >>>>in and
    >> >>>>> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me
    >warm!!!
    >> >>>>I didn't
    >> >>>>> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has
    >resumed
    >> >>>>this
    >> >>>>> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might
    >venture
    >> >>>>towards a
    >> >>>>> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Today is another day, life goes on.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go
    >for it!
    >> >>>>We
    >> >>>>> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of
    >*life*
    >> >>>>affects
    >> >>>>> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we
    >can.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Joyce
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the
    >past 3
    >> >>>>or
    >> >>>>> >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need
    >to go
    >> >>>>> >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >> >>>>> >
    >> >>>>> >
    >> >>>>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    >> >>>>stressed,
    >> >>>>> >there is
    >> >>>>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.
    >But
    >> >>>>I
    >> >>>>> >did
    >> >>>>> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course).
    ><sigh>
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >> Joyce
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
    ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>wrote:
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots
    >in her
    >> >>>>> >> >stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason
    >has
    >> >>>>made
    >> >>>>> >me
    >> >>>>> >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the
    >going
    >> >>>>> >back
    >> >>>>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >> >>>>> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations
    >which
    >> >>>>> >> >> were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
    >> >>>>illness,
    >> >>>>> >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they
    >do
    >> >>>>when
    >> >>>>> >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and
    >there are
    >> >>>>> >> >> normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also
    >okay.
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"
    ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of
    >Three I
    >> >>>>> >think.
    >> >>>>> >> >I
    >> >>>>> >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into
    >fights in
    >> >>>>the
    >> >>>>> >> >middle
    >> >>>>> >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the
    >average
    >> >>>>I
    >> >>>>> >am
    >> >>>>> >> >out
    >> >>>>> >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with
    >last
    >> >>>>> >week
    >> >>>>> >> >> >though.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.
    >Have
    >> >>>>> >fun.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you
    >can't
    >> >>>>make
    >> >>>>> >it
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> WI!!!
    >> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> >>>><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program
    >again,
    >> >>>>but
    >> >>>>> >we
    >> >>>>> >> >are
    >> >>>>> >> >> >not
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets
    >see. I
    >> >>>>am
    >> >>>>> >> >going
    >> >>>>> >> >> >for
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think
    >it is
    >> >>>>> >about
    >> >>>>> >> >> >time
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still
    >going
    >> >>>>to
    >> >>>>> >be
    >> >>>>> >> >more
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> >>>>> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have
    >been
    >> >>>>> >drinking 0
    >> >>>>> >> >> >point
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the
    >southern
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better
    >soon.
    >> >>>>> >It's
    >> >>>>> >> >> >hard
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >to
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >stay on
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired
    >and
    >> >>>>> >> >generally
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> >>>>> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start
    >over.
    >> >>>>> >Mom
    >> >>>>> >> >got
    >> >>>>> >> >> >a
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >bad
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for
    >days. I
    >> >>>>have
    >> >>>>> >> >the
    >> >>>>> >> >> >cold
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >now,
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures
    >and
    >> >>>>> >keeping
    >> >>>>> >> >on.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet
    >has
    >> >>>>been
    >> >>>>> >> >less
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >than
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>
    >>


  18. I think ours are open on Sunday but I don't recall. I guess I don't drink my tequila often enough to
    find out (G) It was purchased in Mexico and at the Canadian Border at various times. Same with some
    of the other goodies (G)

    Prairie Roots said:

    That's how it is here in Minnesota as well. It's not a state monoply, though. More like Norwegian
    piety. The liquor stores are closed on Sunday too.

    Prairie Roots On Tue said:

    I don't think the groceries in this state sell anything that contains any liquor - state monopoly.
    Wine and beer, yes at the grocery but it ends there.

    Joyce said:

    Grocery store Fred, grocery store. Geeeeeeeeesh, do us women have to teach you everything? <G> I
    haven't been in a *liquor* store for ages either, just dip into the liquor section of my local
    grocer.

    There are several different *brands* of mudslides, each tends to have their own secret formula of
    ingredients. I prefer the Friday's brand - think it is just rum in the bottled/premixed version
    ... as far as the alcohol anyway. Less alcohol = less points, right? <G>

    Joyce

    On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 22:12:16 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I recall, was when I was
    >about to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes - not kidding.
    >
    >On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:01:30 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
    ><[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a
    >>few others that are all made up and ready to drink.
    >>
    >>Debbie
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a
    >>> bar? I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)
    >>>
    >>> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:53:01 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> >Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for
    >>years and
    >>> >years - can't remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through
    >>tons of
    >>> >them when I was bowling with the *ladies* ... and haven't done that for
    >>about 4 or
    >>> >5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me. I'm really not much of
    >>a
    >>> >drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth
    >>(or wore
    >>> >them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually
    >>just plain
    >>> >ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of
    >>mudslides will
    >>> >probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it
    >>disappear. <G>
    >>> >
    >>> >Joyce
    >>> >
    >>> >On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:57:58 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    >>wrote:
    >>> >
    >>> >>Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.
    >>> >>
    >>> >>You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...
    >>> >>
    >>> >>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>> >>
    >>> >>>Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it
    >>is a
    >>> >>>freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was
    >>willing to
    >>> >>>give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.
    >>Gotta use
    >>> >>>those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>>Joyce
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>wrote:
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>>>how many points in a mudslide??
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >>>>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.
    >>At
    >>> >>>>4:30 I
    >>> >>>>> finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the
    >>fridge
    >>> >>>>...
    >>> >>>>> actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into
    >>eating
    >>> >>>>something
    >>> >>>>> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle
    >>soup
    >>> >>>>(or
    >>> >>>>> something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can
    >>of
    >>> >>>>corn - ate
    >>> >>>>> 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30
    >>I gave
    >>> >>>>in and
    >>> >>>>> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me
    >>warm!!!
    >>> >>>>I didn't
    >>> >>>>> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has
    >>resumed
    >>> >>>>this
    >>> >>>>> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might
    >>venture
    >>> >>>>towards a
    >>> >>>>> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Today is another day, life goes on.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go
    >>for it!
    >>> >>>>We
    >>> >>>>> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of
    >>*life*
    >>> >>>>affects
    >>> >>>>> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we
    >>can.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Joyce
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>wrote:
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the
    >>past 3
    >>> >>>>or
    >>> >>>>> >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need
    >>to go
    >>> >>>>> >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >>> >>>>> >
    >>> >>>>> >
    >>> >>>>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >>>>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    >>> >>>>stressed,
    >>> >>>>> >there is
    >>> >>>>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.
    >>But
    >>> >>>>I
    >>> >>>>> >did
    >>> >>>>> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course).
    >><sigh>
    >>> >>>>> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> Joyce
    >>> >>>>> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >><[email hidden]>
    >>> >>>>wrote:
    >>> >>>>> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots
    >>in her
    >>> >>>>> >> >stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason
    >>has
    >>> >>>>made
    >>> >>>>> >me
    >>> >>>>> >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the
    >>going
    >>> >>>>> >back
    >>> >>>>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >>> >>>>> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >>>>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >>>>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >>> >>>>> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations
    >>which
    >>> >>>>> >> >> were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
    >>> >>>>illness,
    >>> >>>>> >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they
    >>do
    >>> >>>>when
    >>> >>>>> >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    >>> >>>>> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and
    >>there are
    >>> >>>>> >> >> normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also
    >>okay.
    >>> >>>>> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >><[email hidden]>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> wrote:
    >>> >>>>> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of
    >>Three I
    >>> >>>>> >think.
    >>> >>>>> >> >I
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into
    >>fights in
    >>> >>>>the
    >>> >>>>> >> >middle
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the
    >>average
    >>> >>>>I
    >>> >>>>> >am
    >>> >>>>> >> >out
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with
    >>last
    >>> >>>>> >week
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >though.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.
    >>Have
    >>> >>>>> >fun.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you
    >>can't
    >>> >>>>make
    >>> >>>>> >it
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> WI!!!
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>> >>>><[email hidden]>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program
    >>again,
    >>> >>>>but
    >>> >>>>> >we
    >>> >>>>> >> >are
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >not
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets
    >>see. I
    >>> >>>>am
    >>> >>>>> >> >going
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >for
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think
    >>it is
    >>> >>>>> >about
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >time
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still
    >>going
    >>> >>>>to
    >>> >>>>> >be
    >>> >>>>> >> >more
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>> >>>>> ><[email hidden]>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have
    >>been
    >>> >>>>> >drinking 0
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >point
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the
    >>southern
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better
    >>soon.
    >>> >>>>> >It's
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >hard
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >to
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >stay on
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired
    >>and
    >>> >>>>> >> >generally
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >>> >>>>> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >wrote:
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start
    >>over.
    >>> >>>>> >Mom
    >>> >>>>> >> >got
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >a
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >bad
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for
    >>days. I
    >>> >>>>have
    >>> >>>>> >> >the
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >cold
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >now,
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures
    >>and
    >>> >>>>> >keeping
    >>> >>>>> >> >on.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet
    >>has
    >>> >>>>been
    >>> >>>>> >> >less
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >than
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >> >>
    >>> >>>>> >> >
    >>> >>>>> >>
    >>> >>>>> >
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>
    >>>

  19. Good, good, good, GREAT point! hehehe - works for me anyway. <wink>

    Joyce

    krys said:

    not to mention the fact that alcohol evaporated REALLY easily, thus carrying away calories with
    it.......*grin*

    --
    krys

    UK 157/132/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 ...definitely making progress...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    These drinks are pretty hard to get a definite point count on, as everyone


    makes

    Quoted message said:

    them differently. The Friday's brand of mudslides that is purchased


    commercially

    Quoted message said:

    only has rum and non-dairy creamer in it - the rest is artificial


    flavoring ... no

    Quoted message said:

    irish cream, no coffee liqueur - so points should be a bit lower. On


    Dottie's, in

    Quoted message said:

    the restaurant listing for TGI Fridays, it gives 6.5 points (I think ...


    might be

    Quoted message said:

    5.5) for a 3 ounce blended mudslide. That's 3 points difference from this


    listing

    Quoted message said:

    you found on the same website!

    BUT .. maybe we can look at it as liquid points - some of that point total


    has got

    Quoted message said:

    to come out of us pretty quickly - thus not counting .. right? <G>

    Joyce

    dcsena said:

    Ok on Dotties Weight Loss Zone here is what she says on Mudslides, and a


    few

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    others..... Top 5 worst drinks:
    1. Margarita in a pint glass (2 oz. tequila, 2 oz. margarita/sour mix, 1


    oz.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    triple sec, lime juice, 1 tsp. sugar) - 550 calories (11)
    2. Mudslide (1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. Irish cream, 1.5 oz.


    vodka) -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    417 calories (8.5)
    3. Long Island Ice Tea (1 oz. vodka, gin, rum, tequila, and triple sec, 2 oz. sour mix, splash
    of cola) - 380 calories (8)
    4. White Russian (1.5 oz. vodka, 1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. cream) - 320 calories (6.5)
    5. Piรฑa Colada (1.5 oz. rum, 1.5 oz. coconut cream, 3 oz. pineapple


    juice) -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    293 calories (6)

    So I was right....blew the whole wad of flex points! lol

  20. Wow, I forgot there were places in the states that were still like that. I spent the summers of my
    youth in a dry county in Missouri ... remember my folks going out to dinner and hauling their own
    liquor with them. I'm not much of a drinker, and normally do prefer just the occassional glass of
    wine or beer .. but it is so much more convenient to be able to pick up a needed bottle while
    doing regular grocery shopping. I hate having to run all over town to accomplish things. Our
    traffic stinks!

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    I don't think the groceries in this state sell anything that contains any liquor - state monopoly.
    Wine and beer, yes at the grocery but it ends there.

    Joyce said:

    Grocery store Fred, grocery store. Geeeeeeeeesh, do us women have to teach you everything? <G>
    I haven't been in a *liquor* store for ages either, just dip into the liquor section of my
    local grocer.

    There are several different *brands* of mudslides, each tends to have their own secret formula of
    ingredients. I prefer the Friday's brand - think it is just rum in the bottled/premixed version
    ... as far as the alcohol anyway. Less alcohol = less points, right? <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I recall, was when I was
    about to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes - not kidding.

    On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:01:30 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians, black Russians and a
    >few others that are all made up and ready to drink.
    >
    >Debbie
    >
    >
    >
    >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something you can get made at a
    >> bar? I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)
    >>
    >> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:53:01 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. <G> They've been around for
    >years and
    >> >years - can't remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through
    >tons of
    >> >them when I was bowling with the *ladies* ... and haven't done that for
    >about 4 or
    >> >5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me. I'm really not much of
    >a
    >> >drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth
    >(or wore
    >> >them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually
    >just plain
    >> >ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of
    >mudslides will
    >> >probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it
    >disappear. <G>
    >> >
    >> >Joyce
    >> >
    >> >On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:57:58 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.
    >> >>
    >> >>You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh, well...
    >> >>
    >> >>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>>Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it
    >is a
    >> >>>freebie. <G> I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was
    >willing to
    >> >>>give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.
    >Gotta use
    >> >>>those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. <G>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>Joyce
    >> >>>
    >> >>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>>how many points in a mudslide??
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.
    >At
    >> >>>>4:30 I
    >> >>>>> finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the
    >fridge
    >> >>>>...
    >> >>>>> actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into
    >eating
    >> >>>>something
    >> >>>>> for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle
    >soup
    >> >>>>(or
    >> >>>>> something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can
    >of
    >> >>>>corn - ate
    >> >>>>> 2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30
    >I gave
    >> >>>>in and
    >> >>>>> had a Mudslide. <G> Hey, I finally found something that made me
    >warm!!!
    >> >>>>I didn't
    >> >>>>> bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has
    >resumed
    >> >>>>this
    >> >>>>> morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might
    >venture
    >> >>>>towards a
    >> >>>>> bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Today is another day, life goes on.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go
    >for it!
    >> >>>>We
    >> >>>>> gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of
    >*life*
    >> >>>>affects
    >> >>>>> us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we
    >can.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Joyce
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> >Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚... I have done really well the
    >past 3
    >> >>>>or
    >> >>>>> >4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need
    >to go
    >> >>>>> >weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.
    >> >>>>> >
    >> >>>>> >
    >> >>>>> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
    >> >>>>stressed,
    >> >>>>> >there is
    >> >>>>> >> no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.
    >But
    >> >>>>I
    >> >>>>> >did
    >> >>>>> >> manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course).
    ><sigh>
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >> Joyce
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
    ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>wrote:
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots
    >in her
    >> >>>>> >> >stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason
    >has
    >> >>>>made
    >> >>>>> >me
    >> >>>>> >> >both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the
    >going
    >> >>>>> >back
    >> >>>>> >> >down track now, hopefully it will continue.
    >> >>>>> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations
    >which
    >> >>>>> >> >> were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
    >> >>>>illness,
    >> >>>>> >> >> whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they
    >do
    >> >>>>when
    >> >>>>> >> >> stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> And remember one day or week does not undo everything and
    >there are
    >> >>>>> >> >> normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also
    >okay.
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"
    ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of
    >Three I
    >> >>>>> >think.
    >> >>>>> >> >I
    >> >>>>> >> >> >have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into
    >fights in
    >> >>>>the
    >> >>>>> >> >middle
    >> >>>>> >> >> >of the night and wake me up....
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the
    >average
    >> >>>>I
    >> >>>>> >am
    >> >>>>> >> >out
    >> >>>>> >> >> >of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with
    >last
    >> >>>>> >week
    >> >>>>> >> >> >though.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >I think this is a warning to quit messing around.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.
    >Have
    >> >>>>> >fun.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you
    >can't
    >> >>>>make
    >> >>>>> >it
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> WI!!!
    >> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> >>>><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >We are better this morning after a few days on program
    >again,
    >> >>>>but
    >> >>>>> >we
    >> >>>>> >> >are
    >> >>>>> >> >> >not
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets
    >see. I
    >> >>>>am
    >> >>>>> >> >going
    >> >>>>> >> >> >for
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think
    >it is
    >> >>>>> >about
    >> >>>>> >> >> >time
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >to change horses again and use that number. It is still
    >going
    >> >>>>to
    >> >>>>> >be
    >> >>>>> >> >more
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> >>>>> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have
    >been
    >> >>>>> >drinking 0
    >> >>>>> >> >> >point
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the
    >southern
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >ding-a-lings)
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better
    >soon.
    >> >>>>> >It's
    >> >>>>> >> >> >hard
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >to
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >stay on
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired
    >and
    >> >>>>> >> >generally
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >feeling like
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> dog [censored]. <G> This will be a better week.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> Joyce
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> >>>>> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >wrote:
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has to delete about a million messages and start
    >over.
    >> >>>>> >Mom
    >> >>>>> >> >got
    >> >>>>> >> >> >a
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >bad
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for
    >days. I
    >> >>>>have
    >> >>>>> >> >the
    >> >>>>> >> >> >cold
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >now,
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >but thank God she is better.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Congrats to all those having successes, or failures
    >and
    >> >>>>> >keeping
    >> >>>>> >> >on.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Empathy to those struggling.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet
    >has
    >> >>>>been
    >> >>>>> >> >less
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >than
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >wonderful.
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >> >
    >> >>>>> >> >>
    >> >>>>> >> >
    >> >>>>> >>
    >> >>>>> >
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>
    >>


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