BBC Breakfast TV - Helmets

Ian G Batten said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Keith

Willoughby said:

It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric
qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood
libel to make it questionable.

Eh? WTF are you on about?

James

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:17:31 +0000 (UTC), Ian G Batten
<[email hidden]> wrote in message <caqddb$46f$1@news-
out.ftel.co.uk>:

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bet you can't remember who was being overruled, and about
which issue

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a
governor. Can't remember the name of the rpson service
bloke. Derek Lewis?

Guy
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:26:54 +0900, James Annan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood
libel to make it questionable.

Quoted message said:

Eh? WTF are you on about?

A mediaeval antisemitic myth (google for blood libel, plenty
of sources).

Guy
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Just zis Guy said:

Quoted message said:

bet you can't remember who was being overruled, and about
which issue

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a
governor. Can't remember the name of the rpson service
bloke. Derek Lewis?

I seem to recall Martin Nairy was involved, but I may be
wrong. Over what issue was the governer being sacked, and
why was it a scandal? I honestly can't recall.

ian

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:51:58 +0000 (UTC), Ian G Batten
<[email hidden]> wrote in message <caqfdu$4ov$1@news-
out.ftel.co.uk>:

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I seem to recall Martin Nairy was involved, but I may be
wrong. Over what issue was the governer being sacked, and
why was it a scandal? I honestly can't recall.

Martin Neary was the organist at Westminster Abbey, there
was lots of fuss about his sacking; Martin Nairy? I don't
recall him being controversial.

I don't recall what the problem was at Parkhurst, but I
think it might have been riots.

Guy
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:39:33 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bet you can't remember who was being overruled, and about
which issue

Quoted message said:

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a
governor. Can't remember the name of the rpson service
bloke. Derek Lewis?

Ah, and here it is in full for Paxman fans everywhere:
news.bbc.co.ukhoward.ramOpen ↗

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks Howard
if he has ever lied, then gives the facts which show that
one or other of them (Lewis or Howard) was lying, then asked
Howard outright whether what Lewis said was true - and
Howard falls straight into the hole. Genius!

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In "]news:[email hidden],
Just zis Guy, you know? <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:26:54 +0900, James Annan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message <2jbs7sFvcgirU1@uni-
berlin.de>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood
libel to make it questionable.

Quoted message said:

Eh? WTF are you on about?

A mediaeval antisemitic myth (google for blood libel,
plenty of sources).

As opposed to the current view that it's acceptable to
call someone from Romania a vampire.* (And just as I type
this, an Amazon ad in a browser window tells me to buy a
Buffy book)

Ambrose

*obviously this is less offensive than the blood libel, but
it still doesn't mean it's polite.

Just zis Guy said:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:26:54 +0900, James Annan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message <2jbs7sFvcgirU1@uni-
berlin.de>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood
libel to make it questionable.

Quoted message said:

Eh? WTF are you on about?

A mediaeval antisemitic myth (google for blood libel,
plenty of sources).

Well that put me in my place. Having never heard of it
before, and noting that it has been aimed at a wide range of
ethnic groups and is not related in any way to vampirism, I
contend that Ian Batten's imagined slight is rather
speculative at best.

James

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just zis Guy said:

mediaeval

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ian

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just zis Guy said:

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks
Howard if he has ever lied, then gives the facts which
show that one or other of them (Lewis or Howard) was
lying, then asked Howard outright whether what Lewis
said was true - and Howard falls straight into the
hole. Genius!

For debate Usenet-style, yes. Later Paxman will be along to
tell us the name of the politician who hasn't lied.
``Politician tells lies'' is only news if you're still
reeling from the revelation that Santa Claus is actually
your dad. But it's all good knockabout stuff.

ian

in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Keith

Willoughby said:

It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric
qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood
libel to make it questionable.

Isn't this taking paranoid conspiracy theories just a
little too far?

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mae <[email hidden]> wedi ysgrifennu:

Quoted message said:

In "]news:[email hidden], Robert Bruce <willbedeletedoffserver@analytical-
dynamics.co.uk> typed:

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mae <[email hidden]> wedi ysgrifennu:

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Howard is almost certainly a vampire. I'm sure of it ;-)

For those unaware of the evidence for this:

<snip link to Transylvania>

So it's OK to be anti-Romanian, then? Good to hear it.

A

Ah come on. Michael Howard comes across as one of those
incredibly camp vampires from a low budget 'seventies
Hammer Horror film. That's funny. It turns out that his
father was from Transylvania, where, traditionally,
vampires are said to originate. That's ironic and therefore
adds to the humour. There is not a hint of anti-
Romanianism(?) about this.

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Just zis Guy said:

Eh? I read it as an attack on vampires. Howard is almost
certainly a vampire. I'm sure of it ;-)

Him and Norman Tebbit. Those stories about him having been
an airline pilot are horse - the only flying he ever did is
coz he can transmute himself into a bat at will.

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Just zis Guy said:

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a
governor. Can't remember the name of the rpson service
bloke. Derek Lewis?

An FLJS chum swears that Paxo only asked Count Howard the
same question fourteen times because he couldn't think of
anything else to say...

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in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.chapman+usenet-

Quoted message said:

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks
Howard if he has ever lied, then gives the facts which
show that one or other of them (Lewis or Howard) was
lying, then asked Howard outright whether what Lewis said
was true - and Howard falls straight into the hole.
Genius!

For debate Usenet-style, yes. Later Paxman will be along
to tell us the name of the politician who hasn't lied.
``Politician tells lies'' is only news if you're still
reeling from the revelation that Santa Claus is actually
your dad. But it's all good knockabout stuff.

Actually, seriously, it isn't. It's the death of democracy
in the UK. We're becoming so (justifiably) cynical about our
politicians because our political culture has become so
childish, petty and deceitful that we no longer have any
respect either for the politicians or the process, which is
why so many people don't bother to vote.

We desperately, urgently, need politicians with higher
standards of personal ethics: people who are not afraid to
admit their mistakes; people who do not either lie or use
carefully constructed statements to decieve. The problem is
that, even if such people were attracted to politics, they
could not rise to the top in our present system.

But this is _way_ off topic.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Simon Brooke said:

Actually, seriously, it isn't. It's the death of democracy
in the UK. We're becoming so (justifiably) cynical about
our politicians because our political culture has become
so childish, petty and deceitful that we no longer have
any respect either for the politicians or the process,
which is why so many people don't bother to vote.

Anyone clever enough to be a politician is clever enough to
do something more interesting, more lucrative and more
relaxing instead. Why do you think Tony gets to be Prime
Minister, while Cherie is a high powered barrister?

Quoted message said:

We desperately, urgently, need politicians with higher
standards of personal ethics: people who are not afraid to
admit their mistakes; people who do not either lie or use
carefully constructed statements to decieve. The problem
is that, even if such people were attracted to politics,
they could not rise to the top in our present system.

Unfortunately, honest politicians are more dangerous than
bent ones. Bent ones usually spend their time filling their
own pockets, and let the country run itself. Which, usually,
it manages pretty well. It's the ones that _believe_ in
things --- Blair, Bush Jr --- who are the menace, because
they believe they have a direct line to righteousness.

Quoted message said:

But this is _way_ off topic.

It's not. The reason why transport policy in this country is
bust is because the politicians are stupid and dishonest.

ian

Quoted message said:

Actually, seriously, it isn't. It's the death of
democracy in

the UK.

Quoted message said:

We're becoming so (justifiably) cynical about our
politicians

because

Quoted message said:

our political culture has become so childish, petty and

deceitful that

Quoted message said:

we no longer have any respect either for the
politicians or

the

Quoted message said:

process, which is why so many people don't bother to vote.

We desperately, urgently, need politicians with higher

standards of

Quoted message said:

personal ethics: people who are not afraid to admit their

mistakes;

Quoted message said:

people who do not either lie or use carefully constructed

statements

Quoted message said:

to decieve. The problem is that, even if such people were

attracted to

Quoted message said:

politics, they could not rise to the top in our present

system.

Quoted message said:

But this is _way_ off topic.

Hey, you can't whack in something like that then imply that
its all so off topic no one should reply!

IMHO voter apathy/low turnout in elections is a sign of a
mature and stable political democracy and social and
economic wellbeing & consensus. For proof, look what happens
every time the BNP come along - higher turnout to stop 'em
getting (back) in and the rest of the time it doesn't matter
about voting 'cos there is so much consensus between the
parties. Blue Labour and the New Conservatives further prove
my point. Whilst they claim to disagree vehemently with each
others policies, no one can actually tell them apart.[1]

Mark.

[1] It's true. I asked a colour blind person and he said
they're very slightly different shades of grey.

PSWhilst readers of this ng may disagree vehemently with my
position there is so much consensus between our differing
opinions, and the whole thing is _way_ too off topic, that
it really isn't worth posting a reply to disagree.

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:05:03 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Keith

Willoughby said:

It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric
qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood
libel to make it questionable.

Isn't this taking paranoid conspiracy theories just a
little too far?

It remind sme of the US Anti-defamation League boycotting
David Icke for saying some world-leaders turn into lizards.

Because it was an 'anti-semitic' statement.

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(') said:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:05:03 GMT, Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G

Batten (') said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Keith
Willoughby <[email hidden]> wrote:
> It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric
> qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood
libel to make it questionable.

Isn't this taking paranoid conspiracy theories just a
little too far?

It remind sme of the US Anti-defamation League boycotting
David Icke for saying some world-leaders turn into
lizards.

Because it was an 'anti-semitic' statement.

Come again? How did they work _that_ one out?

Although, come to think of it, perhaps he and they deserve
one another.

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Just zis Guy, you know? [email hidden] opined
the following...

Quoted message said:

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks
Howard if he has ever lied, then gives the facts which
show that one or other of them (Lewis or Howard) was
lying, then asked Howard outright whether what Lewis
said was true - and Howard falls straight into the
hole. Genius!

I have little time for Paxman, I much prefer the old
vanguard of the Today Program, but that is truely
entertaining. The almost comic pause between each repetition
of "Did you threaten to overrule him?" and the slight
movements of Paxman each time he asks it. Fantastic!

Jon